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DKM said:
Meh, though I can see a minor justification for Divine Mandate given the whole thing of the Emperor being God's regent, but it really seems like more of a China thing. The whole Divine Mandate, from my knowledge, wasn't really pushed as a way to legitimize the rule of an emperor or legitimize an emperor's general actions. Really, the only important role it really served was an excuse for the emperor to interfere with the church and replace those against him with loyalists. Basically, though it was there, it was nowhere near as big of a role and certainly couldn't call for a "Divine Mandate" government the same way representing a space Imperial China would. In conclusion, I will not be switching as I feel Divine Mandate has weak justification and, if Despotic Empire continues to fail, I will be switching to Martial Republic as that sufficiently matches the Roman Republic, although it is difficult for me to tell whether the Roman Republic historically was more of a martial republic or oligarchic republic.
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One could make the case that it was oligarchic and dominated by wealthy Senators before it was martial and dominated by military commanders.
 
If it can help the 4 governments share the same backstory until 2050 roughly.

But clearly :
Divine Mandate = Space Byzantium
Military Dictatorship = Dominate
Despotic Empire = Byzantium/Principate
Martial Republic = sort of late Roman Republic
 
Attalus said:
If it can help the 4 governments share the same backstory until 2050 roughly.

But clearly :
Divine Mandate = Space Byzantium
Military Dictatorship = Dominate
Despotic Empire = Byzantium/Principate
Martial Republic = sort of late Roman Republic
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Well that definition makes me want to change my vote. :p Also I just realized with the zenophile military dictatorship, slavery won't work as well, and Rome without slavery is no Rome at all. :D

Changing vote from Military Dictatorship to Despotic Empire.
 
LatinKaiser said:
It seems very representative of the Late Empire (think post-Theodosius) or the Late Republic (think Sulla and Caesar). However, the Despotic Empire probably best matches the Imperial Rome of 27 BC to AD 395 (in general -- obviously that is a giant period which saw a lot of political shifts).
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I am a big fan of Late Antiquity. Furthermore, I want a new Stilicho. With the Military Dictatorship, it is possible to have generals with non-indigenous origins (like Ricimer, Stilicho).
 
I'll join in.

2) Martial Republic

3) Hyperlane

2) Missiles
 
Despotic Empire! Romans need slaves!

And no preference on the other options.
 
DKM said:
Meh, though I can see a minor justification for Divine Mandate given the whole thing of the Emperor being God's regent, but it really seems like more of a China thing. The whole Divine Mandate, from my knowledge, wasn't really pushed as a way to legitimize the rule of an emperor or legitimize an emperor's general actions. Really, the only important role it really served was an excuse for the emperor to interfere with the church and replace those against him with loyalists. Basically, though it was there, it was nowhere near as big of a role and certainly couldn't call for a "Divine Mandate" government the same way representing a space Imperial China would. In conclusion, I will not be switching as I feel Divine Mandate has weak justification and, if Despotic Empire continues to fail, I will be switching to Martial Republic as that sufficiently matches the Roman Republic, although it is difficult for me to tell whether the Roman Republic historically was more of a martial republic or oligarchic republic.
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Agreed.
Attalus said:
If it can help the 4 governments share the same backstory until 2050 roughly.

But clearly :
Divine Mandate = Space Byzantium
Military Dictatorship = Dominate
Despotic Empire = Byzantium/Principate
Martial Republic = sort of late Roman Republic
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Byzantium didn't really have a Divine Mandate style of government. It was more like a despotic Empire.
 
Military Dictatorship is most like how the empire ran, with powerful generals taking control. Even in the early empire, control of the military was essential to being emperor. Think of the Antonines: they were mostly all generals who became adoptive sons of the emperor.
 
alxeu said:
Military Dictatorship is most like how the empire ran, with powerful generals taking control. Even in the early empire, control of the military was essential to being emperor. Think of the Antonines: they were mostly all generals who became adoptive sons of the emperor.
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Of course, but almost all empires throughout history went through that problem of the army overthrowing the emperor. The thing that sets an empire apart from a dictatorship is the facade of republicanism. The empire only had a facade of republicanism during the Dominate which is why many of us (relatively) agree that the dictatorship government would model the Dominate. It is for this same facade why you call Central American juntas "El Presidente" instead of "El Rey." Though it may seem small, the facade makes a big difference between modeling the proper government.
 
DKM said:
Of course, but almost all empires throughout history went through that problem of the army overthrowing the emperor. The thing that sets an empire apart from a dictatorship is the facade of republicanism. The empire only had a facade of republicanism during the Dominate which is why many of us (relatively) agree that the dictatorship government would model the Dominate. It is for this same facade why you call Central American juntas "El Presidente" instead of "El Rey." Though it may seem small, the facade makes a big difference between modeling the proper government.
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I agree with you, and I did vote for the Military Dictatorship, as it is, as you said, most resemblative of the Late Empire.
 
I think of the Divine Mandate as being an extrapolation of the Emperor's religious role through the long era between 1453 and 2200.
 
Perspectives:
1) Military Dictatorship

FTL devices:
3) Hyperlane

Weapons:
1) Missiles

I'm not entirely a fan of Military dictatorship, but I find it the best of the bunch. As to the hyperlanes, can we vote on whether or not this universe is hyperlane only? I think it'd be far more interesting to have a universe with strategic chokepoints.
 
austrianemporer said:
This is alternate history. Constantinople probably never fell.
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That's what I mean, over the 800 years or so a lot would happen. I could see the Emperor becoming a more remote Emperor of China type figure as time progresses and the scale of the Empire grows.
 
About the Divine Mandate : the ruler is styled as Archprophet so I don't see it as the Empire per se (god emperor arrives only later). Anyway you'll see :p
 
I mean, the military dictatorship would become a martial Empire - with the ruler becoming Imperator! Just read the official description:

This government is an advanced form of militaristic autocracy, where the state exists largely to support the military. Martial ability is highly valued, and all citizens are regularly drilled in matters of war.
 
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