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Originally posted by mfigueras
No problem ;) I could help you with some events and monarchs (both historical and fictitious) for Aragón and related countries (Mallorca, Sicily, Sardinia, ...). And of course, if you need some more shields & flags, feel free to ask.
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Sounds great. I was actually thinking of adding Leon and Al-Andalus (and creating an event that allows Granada to become them, should they regain lost provinces), could you create flags and shields for them? Don't do it yet though, I need to find out if I can free enough tags first. I don't know exactly how many new countries we need, and there is no point in you making graphics that are not to be used.;)
 
Could you guys help me decide which native american/african/indian nations I can remove in order to free some tags?

So far, I have pretty much decided to remove Dakota, Creek and Xhosa (unless you guys have a good reason as to why I shouldn't) - as I think they are obsolete, and should go under the catagory "natives" rather than be independent nations.

Any other suggestions?

Oh, and another thing: sometimes I might not post anything in several days, or even a week or more. But don't be alarmed, it's not because I have lost interest or quit - it's just because my internet access is limited (or to say it in another way: I'm geograhical away from the computer with internet access. Long story.:D ). I will, however, still be able to work on the mod - when I'm not busy with real work...:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Hive
Could you guys help me decide which native american/african/indian nations I can remove in order to free some tags?

So far, I have pretty much decided to remove Dakota, Creek and Xhosa (unless you guys have a good reason as to why I shouldn't) - as I think they are obsolete, and should go under the catagory "natives" rather than be independent nations.

Any other suggestions?
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Maybe also some Asian (Indonesian...) nations could be reworked in order to free some more tags but I've to confess that my knowledge of that area is rather limited (probably some people will say that they should be more)... But like this is, at least for now, an European oriented project...
 
Originally posted by Hive
Could you guys help me decide which native american/african/indian nations I can remove in order to free some tags?

So far, I have pretty much decided to remove Dakota, Creek and Xhosa (unless you guys have a good reason as to why I shouldn't) - as I think they are obsolete, and should go under the catagory "natives" rather than be independent nations.

Any other suggestions?
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In my opinion there should only be two nations in north america, the iroquois and the cherokee, so I think you can remove all the others... :cool:
 
Originally posted by Bakito
In my opinion there should only be two nations in north america, the iroquois and the cherokee, so I think you can remove all the others... :cool:
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Really? Even a nation like Navaho? If I remove Lenape, then what about the CoT in Manhattan? I think that CoT is fairly important.
 
Originally posted by Hive
Really? Even a nation like Navaho? If I remove Lenape, then what about the CoT in Manhattan? I think that CoT is fairly important.
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I've always found funny Lenape having a CoT, and I only see it as game balancing.
Yes I think it is somehow important. Does anyone though in any alternative?
 
Originally posted by balsr
Dakota and Navaho - Well the mid 1100's to late 1300's was a time of great natural disasters resulting in whole scale migration.
The dakota, cheyenne and blackfeet actually moved southwards from ancestral homes in canada pushing the plains tribes further south, resulting in tribes like the Navaho ending up in the american south west. The ruins of great cities like that of chaco canyon were built by the Anazazi; a navaho term meaning "Enemy ancestors". The navahos actually moved into the area in the late 1500's early 1600's and found the ruins. The anazazi had literally vanished by mid 1300's. Now the pueblo, possible descendants of the anazazi where agrarian farmers not hunter gatherers building houses made of mud bricks. They had settled communities, but government was only at tribal or settlement level. I guess the Navaho and Dakota could go with the pueblo being a question mark.
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This explains the Navaho part and about that CoT, I think it should belong to Iroquois. :cool:
and there's more about this right here ;)
 
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Monarchs: Sicily

Well, I've compiled a list of monarchs for Sicily and for Mallorca. I'll write down them here and in the next post (please note that there are not id's assigned). I have also a list of Aragonese monarchs, but I would to compile an alternative list with dormant monarchs (a very interesting outcome of the 'compromise of Caspe', in which a new king was chosen following the death without heir of the last king of the Barcelona dinasty).

Monarchs for Sicily

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##
## Sicily Monarchs
##

## historical monarchs until 1409
## a branch of the Barcelona dinasty

historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {
			year = 1337
		}
		deathdate = {day = 1
			month = june
			year = 1342
		}
		name = "Pere II"
		DIP = 6
		MIL = 5
		ADM = 6
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {day = 1
			month = june
			year = 1342
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1377
		}
		name = "Frederic III"
		DIP = 4
		MIL = 4
		ADM = 5
	}	
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {
			year = 1377
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1401
		}
		name = "Maria I"
		DIP = 3
		MIL = 3
		ADM = 5
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {
			year = 1401
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1409
		}
		name = "Martí I"
		DIP = 5
		MIL = 4
		ADM = 6
	}

## union with Aragon in 1409
## fantasy monarchs from 1409 to 1713

historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = 17123 }
		startdate = {
			year = 1409
		}
		deathdate = {day = 7
			month = june
			year = 1443
		}
		name = "Pere III *"
		DIP = 5
		MIL = 9
		ADM = 7
	}	
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = 17124 }
		startdate = {day = 7
			month = june
			year = 1443
		}
		deathdate = {day = 9
			month = january
			year = 1454
		}
		name = "Pere IV *"
		DIP = 7
		MIL = 6
		ADM = 6
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = 17048 }
		startdate = {day = 9
			month = january
			year = 1454
		}
		deathdate = {
			day = 2
			month = january
			year = 1501
		}
		name = "Frederic IV *"
		DIP = 4
		MIL = 4
		ADM = 4
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = 17049 }
		startdate = {
			day = 2
			month = january
			year = 1501
		}
		deathdate = {
			day = 3
			month = september
			year = 1545
		}
		name = "Frederic V *"
		DIP = 3
		MIL = 3
		ADM = 2
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = 17050 }
		startdate = {
			day = 3
			month = september
			year = 1545
		}
		deathdate = {
			day = 10
			month = september
			year = 1598
		}
		name = "Maria II *"
		DIP = 6
		MIL = 3
		ADM = 4
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = 17051 }
		startdate = {
			day = 10
			month = september
			year = 1598
		}
		deathdate = {
			day = 20
			month = june
			year = 1627
		}
		name = "Pietro V *"
		DIP = 4
		MIL = 3
		ADM = 3
		}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = 17052 }
		startdate = {
			day = 20
			month = june
			year = 1627
		}
		deathdate = {
			day = 17
			month = september
			year = 1632
		}
		name = "Manfredo II *"
		DIP = 6
		MIL = 6
		ADM = 4
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = 17053 }
		startdate = {
			day = 17
			month = september
			year = 1632
		}
		deathdate = {
			day = 1
			month = november
			year = 1661
		}
		name = "Manfredo III *"
		DIP = 4
		MIL = 3
		ADM = 3
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = 17059 }
		startdate = {
			day = 1
			month = november
			year = 1661
		}
		deathdate = {
			day = 9
			month = july
			year = 1687
		}
		name = "Conrado VI *"
		DIP = 3
		MIL = 5
		ADM = 3
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = 17054 }
		startdate = {
			day = 9
			month = july
			year = 1687
		}
		deathdate = {
			day = 9
			month = july
			year = 1713
		}
		name = "Manfredo IV *"
		DIP = 4
		MIL = 3
		ADM = 3
	}

## historical monarchs from now...

historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = 17055 }
		startdate = {
			day = 10
			month = july
			year = 1713
		}
		deathdate = {
			day = 10
			month = august
			year = 1720
		}
		name = "Victor Amédée"
		DIP = 6
		MIL = 6
		ADM = 6
		remark = "of Savoie"
	}

## ... again fantasy monarchs

historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = 17056 }
		startdate = {
			day = 11
			month = august
			year = 1720
		}
		deathdate = {
			day = 1
			month = december
			year = 1738
		}
		name = "Amedeo I *"
		DIP = 4
		MIL = 4
		ADM = 4
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = 17057 }
		startdate = {
			day = 1
			month = december
			year = 1738
		}
		deathdate = {
			day = 20
			month = january
			year = 1759
		}
		name = "Amedeo II *"
		DIP = 5
		MIL = 5
		ADM = 5
	}

### and historical monarch again...

historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = 17058 }
		startdate = {
			day = 21
			month = january
			year = 1759
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1825
		}
		name = "Ferrante III"
		DIP = 2
		MIL = 2
		ADM = 2
		remark = "kingdom of the Two Siciles"
	}
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Monarchs: Kingdom of Mallorca

Monarchs for Mallorca

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## Monarchs Kingdom of Mallorca

## historical monarchs until 1349
## dinasty of Barcelona

historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {
			year = 1324
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1349
		}
		name = "Jaume III"
		DIP = 6
		MIL = 4
		ADM = 5
	}

## reincorporation to Aragon
## fantasy monarchs from 1349

historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {
			year = 1349
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1375
		}
		name = "Jaume IV *"
		DIP = 4
		MIL = 4
		ADM = 3
		remark = "real son of Jaume III"
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {
			year = 1375
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1415
		}
		name = "Jaume V *"
		DIP = 6
		MIL = 4
		ADM = 5
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {
			year = 1415
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1443
		}
		name = "Sanç II *"
		DIP = 8
		MIL = 8
		ADM = 6
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {
			year = 1443
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1451
		}
		name = "Sanç III *"
		DIP = 6
		MIL = 5
		ADM = 7
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {
			year = 1451
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1486
		}
		name = "Jaume VI *"
		DIP = 2
		MIL = 3
		ADM = 2
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {
			year = 1486
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1510
		}
		name = "Ferran I *"
		DIP = 5
		MIL = 4
		ADM = 4
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {
			year = 1510
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1561
		}
		name = "Sanç III *"
		DIP = 6
		MIL = 4
		ADM = 5
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {
			year = 1561
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1583
		}
		name = "Ferran II *"
		DIP = 3
		MIL = 2
		ADM = 4
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {
			year = 1583
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1601
		}
		name = "Carles I *"
		DIP = 5
		MIL = 4
		ADM = 4
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {
			year = 1601
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1605
		}
		name = "Sanç IV *"
		DIP = 9
		MIL = 7
		ADM = 9
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {
			year = 1605
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1632
		}
		name = "Jaume VII *"
		DIP = 6
		MIL = 4
		ADM = 5
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {
			year = 1632
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1655
		}
		name = "Carles II *"
		DIP = 4
		MIL = 4
		ADM = 5
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {
			year = 1655
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1689
		}
		name = "Carles III *"
		DIP = 3
		MIL = 3
		ADM = 4
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {
			year = 1689
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1735
		}
		name = "Ferran III *"
		DIP = 4
		MIL = 4
		ADM = 5
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {
			year = 1735
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1751
		}
		name = "Sanç V *"
		DIP = 6
		MIL = 5
		ADM = 5
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {
			year = 1751
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1776
		}
		name = "Alfons I *"
		DIP = 4
		MIL = 4
		ADM = 4
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {
			year = 1776
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1809
		}
		name = "Alfons II *"
		DIP = 3
		MIL = 4
		ADM = 3
	}
historicalmonarch = {
		id = { type = 6 id = xxxxx }
		startdate = {
			year = 1809
		}
		deathdate = {
			year = 1843
		}
		name = "Jaume VIII *"
		DIP = 7
		MIL = 7
		ADM = 6
	}
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Nice job, mfigueras. As to the Two Sicilies, I have them covered by monarchs from AoN. And I have not used the SIC tag, so Sicily and Two Sicilies are two different countries.

I have been thinking a bit about the Iberian countries, and have started to plan some events for them. I'll redo the "Viva Espana" event, and make it possible for Mallorca, Navarra and Leon (if included) to become Spain as well - I can't see why it should be limited to Castille and Aragon (yes yes, I am aware of the Iberian Wedding, but still...:rolleyes: ).

Btw, regarding Mallorca: I was planning to give them iberian AND french culture. Would the french culture be justified to give them? And another thing: what about Aragon having italian culture? They probably shouldn't have it in 1337, but when and how should they get it? And it's not entirely clear to me how and when they concquered Sicily and Sardinia either.

P.S. I would really love if one of you two Iberian guys could tell me exactly why Felipe moved the court to Madrid in 1561...:D
 
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Btw, regarding Mallorca: I was planning to give them iberian AND french culture. Would the french culture be justified to give them?
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No, not at all. I presume you want to give Mallorca french culture because the province of Roussillon has french culture ? The solution should be the other way around: giving iberian culture to Roussillon. The province of Rosselló (Roussillon) had been always a part, first of the county of Barcelona, and afterwards of the kingdom of Aragón, so this province must have iberian culture. In real-life history Roussillon became french only in 1659 and the true "frenchisation" (sp?) of the zone began in the 19th century.

And another thing: what about Aragon having italian culture? They probably shouldn't have it in 1337, but when and how should they get it? And it's not entirely clear to me how and when they concquered Sicily and Sardinia either.
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You are right: Aragón shouldn't have italian culture in 1337. Maybe it should be given only after the incorporation of Sicily (if this fact takes place in-game: I'm thinking about some events ;) ). For the real-life history: the daughter, Constance, of the last Hohenstaufen king of Sicily, Manfred I, married the king of Aragón Pere II, so giving to Aragón the rights upon the kingdom of Sicily. But in 1265 the pope gave the island to Charles of Anjou, son of the french king. So the kingdom passed to the french, but in march 1282 a great sicilian revolt (the "sicilian vespers") threw out the french from Sicily and gave the kingdom to Pere II of Aragón. And in 1295 the brother of Pere II, Frederic, was proclaimed king of Sicily: here begins the branch of the Barcelona dinasty that I've represented in the monarchs list.

P.S. I would really love if one of you two Iberian guys could tell me exactly why Felipe moved the court to Madrid in 1561...:D
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I must admit that I don't know :D
 
No, not at all. I presume you want to give Mallorca french culture because the province of Roussillon has french culture ? The solution should be the other way around: giving iberian culture to Roussillon. The province of Rosselló (Roussillon) had been always a part, first of the county of Barcelona, and afterwards of the kingdom of Aragón, so this province must have iberian culture. In real-life history Roussillon became french only in 1659 and the true "frenchisation" (sp?) of the zone began in the 19th century.
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Darn! I was hoping for the possibilty to play a country with both iberian and french cultures. Imagine the possibilities...:D

You are right: Aragón shouldn't have italian culture in 1337. Maybe it should be given only after the incorporation of Sicily (if this fact takes place in-game: I'm thinking about some events ). For the real-life history: the daughter, Constance, of the last Hohenstaufen king of Sicily, Manfred I, married the king of Aragón Pere II, so giving to Aragón the rights upon the kingdom of Sicily. But in 1265 the pope gave the island to Charles of Anjou, son of the french king. So the kingdom passed to the french, but in march 1282 a great sicilian revolt (the "sicilian vespers") threw out the french from Sicily and gave the kingdom to Pere II of Aragón. And in 1295 the brother of Pere II, Frederic, was proclaimed king of Sicily: here begins the branch of the Barcelona dinasty that I've represented in the monarchs list.
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So Sicily should be a vassal of Aragon? Then when did they completely annex it? And what about Sardinia?
 
Originally posted by Hive
So Sicily should be a vassal of Aragon? Then when did they completely annex it? And what about Sardinia?
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On Sicily: I would prefer a royal marriage with Aragón instead of the vassalization (to simulate strong familiar ties). The two kingdoms were ruled by different branches of the same family, but they were completely independent. In 1401 died the last monarch of the branch of the Barcelona dinasty ruling Sicily: the queen Maria I. Maria had married the son of the king of Aragón, Martí I, who was going to become the new king of Sicily, but he died as well, so the kingdom went to his father and it was reincorporated to the crown of Aragón.

Darn! I realize that I've forgotten one king in the list of Sicily monarchs... I'll edit it in a moment...


On Sardinia: In 1297, following the treaty of Agnani, the pope gave the rights upon Sardinia to the king of Aragón, but the conquest began in 1323. The local nobility was allied with Pisa, opposed to the aragonese occupation of the island. All in all in 1337 the island was effectively under the crown of Aragón.


On Athenes & Neopatria: Another (important) thing I forgot (I don't know if you are aware of this): in 1337 there were still the duchies of Athenes and Neopatria (+ or - the Greece province of EU2) ruled by the almogàvers (the mercenary army that "helped" Byzantium against the ottomans), who freely had put the lands under the sovereignity of Sicily. In 1357 Frederic III of Sicily traspassed his sovereignity upon these lands to his sister Elionor, wife of the king of Aragón, so the duchies of Athenes and Neopatria became a part of the kingdom of Aragón... only until 1390, when they were conquered by the florentines (the Acciaiuoli family).


Well, all in all, a true mess of relations, kings and territories :D
 
I was hoping to get the AoI beta finished for today, but the 1816 scenerio is giving me more trouble than I expected, and I am not done with the events yet either.

I have been looking for a book on the Hundred Years War at the library as well, but without luck.

Mfigueras, would you mind changing some 16bit flags to 8bit for me? I know the colours are better with 16, but they look really bad in Fog of War...:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Hive
Mfigueras, would you mind changing some 16bit flags to 8bit for me? I know the colours are better with 16, but they look really bad in Fog of War...:rolleyes:
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No problem... which flags?

BTW, Hive, the beta that you are going to release includes only the 1816 scenario, or the 1337 as well? OTOH, I'll try to give you a complete list of monarchs for Aragón, but I want to give them to you with an event that takes place in 1416 and which would allow to change the dinasty (the compromise of Caspe)...
 
No problem... which flags?
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All the new flags I have implemented! When the beta is done, I can give it to you, so you convert them for the next version. It's pretty easy to determine which ones is 16bit (they are bigger in disc size).

It will include 1419 and 1816 only (possibly also 1492 and 1773, but no real changes has been done to these). I haven't started working on the 1337 scenario yet, and doesn't intend to until the beta is finished - so you have plenty of time to do your event!;)
 
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Originally posted by Hive
I haven't started working on the 1337 scenario yet, and doesn't intend to until the beta is finished - so you have plenty of time to do your event!;)
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Oh! great! if there is plenty of time, I'll do more than a single event (mmmhhh... some events for Aragón, some others for Mallorca, and some others for Sicily and Sardinia... all in all maybe 10 events + or -)
 
Originally posted by Hive
I have been looking for a book on the Hundred Years War at the library as well, but without luck.
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Originally posted by Bakito
Same thing here... and I checked two libraries... :mad:
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Thier is a book at my sixth form collage library about the 100 years war, i could help you with that ;)
 
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