An update to the Release Schedule

[Dushess]

This was actually calming. A reminder to some that they don't have to sit around and wait for this game to be ready. They can do something else and come back to this game when it meets their expectations.

the game is officially ready a year ago. which is totally wrong, how long we can wait? We may have shifting priorities, life's changes and so on. Literally we might have no time for this game. and the money was real.

 

[The Aziz]

Good news
There are now rules regarding delaying season passes and prepurchased content.

Season Passes (Steamworks Documentation)

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[prismaticmarcus]

Good news
There are now rules regarding delaying season passes and prepurchased content.

Season Passes (Steamworks Documentation)

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Well, season passes. Which is not the same as prepurchased content.

I can't work out when that page was published, so what do you mean, 'there are now rules...?' When did these rules kick in?

 

[Caprea.Berlin]

Good news
There are now rules regarding delaying season passes and prepurchased content.

Season Passes (Steamworks Documentation)

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Those rules have nothing to do with customers. That is just a part of the contract between Valve and the one publishing on Steam, and it is a public display, whether the contract between an individual publisher and Valve even has those "rules" as part of the contract or they just do not apply is nothing we will know. And even if they would apply there is no ruling that would give customers any new right.

 

[Cardinal Herue]

I'd check the reporting before making statements with certainty -- plenty of gaming mag coverage if you check google. Maybe this'll only ever affect season passes exclusively, but it seems as though Valve may be responding to market pressures regarding player dissatisfaction with repeatedly-delayed promises of content for which a customer has already paid (a la the ongoing CS2 debacle). We may yet hope!

P.S. it's a shame the discussion is buried here off-topic but I appreciate your linking to this thread from my forum post so folks can at least see.

 

[The Aziz]

Those rules have nothing to do with customers. That is just a part of the contract between Valve and the one publishing on Steam, and it is a public display, whether the contract between an individual publisher and Valve even has those "rules" as part of the contract or they just do not apply is nothing we will know. And even if they would apply there is no ruling that would give customers any new right.

On the contrary, as I assume you missed a large part of the article.

Under the Steam Distribution Agreement you have provided a warranty to Valve that your DLC will conform in all respects to the descriptions provided to customers, including promised release dates.

Even if there has not yet been a customer complaint, [[And I'm pretty sure there have been plenty]] Valve may take action if you delay a DLC more than a quarter (3 months) beyond the release window you originally promised.

Actions include removing the Season Pass from sale on Steam, refunding all customers who purchased the Season Pass for the value of unreleased DLC, or allowing customers the option of refunding the entire Season Pass. For the purposes of refunds, the value of unreleased DLC will be decided in discussion with Valve.

Valve may also take action if your Season Pass content is not released after one year has passed. Actions may include refunds to customers and removing the Season Pass from sale on Steam.

And if that wasn't clear

Most of the content of the ultimate edition, a.k.a. Expansion Pass, was supposed to be out in Q2 this year. The final piece of the pass is now scheduled for Q2 next year, which is a bit more than 3 month delay. Meaning people are potentially eligible for a refund by Steam rules, simply because Steam now can do that if the delay is too big.

I personally don't care but I'm sure there are people who do.

 

[Caprea.Berlin]

On the contrary, as I assume you missed a large part of the article........

The reason why Valve had introduced that rule into the standard "contract" with publishers has certainly to do with customers and reaction to Season Pass delays and such thinks.
But that does not change what I said. The reason why two parties take a condition in their two sided contract has just no direct effect on any third party. And we, the customer are a third party in regard to any contract between Valve and Paradox. And second, none of us know, if that change, made by Valve, would even change anything in regard to Paradox. Valve and Paradox may very well have made a separate contract. So changing those rulings by Valve may very well just have no influence on the contract of Valve and Paradox, so very well, nothing may have changed at all.

And there is another sentence, that seemingly get unnoticed :
" You can pick a new date up to 3 months later than you originally selected. If for some reason you need to delay more than that, please reach out to us directly."

So no, the possibility to further delay is still included in the rules.

 

[jąderko33]

Thank you for the updates.
But its quite sad that theres delays after delays

 

[Stealthy]

Most of the content of the ultimate edition, a.k.a. Expansion Pass, was supposed to be out in Q2 this year. The final piece of the pass is now scheduled for Q2 next year, which is a bit more than 3 month delay. Meaning people are potentially eligible for a refund by Steam rules, simply because Steam now can do that if the delay is too big.

I personally don't care but I'm sure there are people who do.

Valve can't change any contractual terms retrospectively, so all this mentioned in the article applies to new contracts and material signed, and to be released _after_ these terms come effective. So, they won't have any meaning to currently promised content for this game.