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Titan79 said:
How's the general progress of it - how much do you still need to complete?
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well thousands :D. as for the joy of playing: i think that colour stuff will always be a major and especially german thing. what gives me a headache right now are the "Improved Battlecruiser" etc models without a real name. how did you solve that?
currently i'm more after soldiers, even if the planes and ships look cool as well, but the soldiers make the real difference (eg India will probable use the crusader tank like the rest of the commonwealth but what makes the difference are the turbans of the soldiers). there are mayn models which are used by different nations eg the Renault ft 17 tank is there 40 times (so one pic could cover 40 positions), the stuart m5 is used very often and even some soldiers pics can be used twice or three times (eg commonwealth ENG, AST, CAN, NZL, SAF and IND in parts - there the only real difference are the HQs).

you'll always use GIP as a base, but if you are a regular german player it makes sense already with GIP alone. you can just take single items or the whole thing of mine or toy around yourself with it.

this is my current list (without the mentioned duplications of FT 17, stuart Panzer 4 etc):
AFG - 2
AST - 3
BLR - 2
BRA - 1
BUL - 3
CAN - 1
CHI - 9
CRO - 3
CZE - 1
EGY - 1
ENG - 40
ETH - 1
FIN - 23
FRA - 21
GER - 135
GRE - 2
HOL - 1
HUN - 15
IDC - 31
IND - 9
INO - 3
ITA - 21
JAP - 72
MAN - 10
PHI - 1
POL - 18
ROM - 3
SIA - 2
SOV - 53
SPA - 5
SPR - 2
SWE - 1
UKR - 5
USA - 53
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so in germany everything what contains people is done completely (INF, MIL, MTN, HQ, MAR, PAR) the rest is on a good way (i think mot and subs are done as well, all historical ships except CVs, 1 or 2 tanks missing).
 
Hister said:
Really, I didn't. Is tit proper singular grammatical use for tits (don't have a dictionary with me at the moment)?
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Yes it is (omg, I've almost flooded my last two or three posts - between this and the TP thread - with quotes... but nobody seems to have noticed them ;) ) . That word is exactly the singular from that other one :) .

Epaminondas said:
It's also a species of bird that includes Great Tits and Blue Tits. I offer that without further comment.
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Neither will I add anything to this (although a LOT of jokes came to my mind...).

bestmajor said:
well thousands. as for the joy of playing: i think that colour stuff will always be a major and especially german thing. what gives me a headache right now are the "Improved Battlecruiser" etc models without a real name. how did you solve that?
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Ha, I see - the same was true for me, when I started with Germany. But then I moved slowly towards the other majors and then to some of the minors... and this is what will happen to you as well, I grant it :) .

As for the Imp. BC, I solved it with a simple sentence: let it be :D . I know it should be amended somehow but I never bothered too much. I'm more worried about some aircraft for minors (but even Japan misses a couple of them!) which have no entries at all in models.csv, and which I'd like to add (but I don't know if it would mess something up).

Also, another little secret is that, apart from heavy submarines, I've made no icons at all for the navy. They were already so good - plus, I'm not a big fan of that arm - that I preferred to concentrate on air and land. So, even if a UK BC IV is called "Improved Battlecruiser" I'm not very annoyed about that.


currently i'm more after soldiers, even if the planes and ships look cool as well, but the soldiers make the real difference (eg India will probable use the crusader tank like the rest of the commonwealth but what makes the difference are the turbans of the soldiers). there are mayn models which are used by different nations eg the Renault ft 17 tank is there 40 times (so one pic could cover 40 positions), the stuart m5 is used very often and even some soldiers pics can be used twice or three times (eg commonwealth ENG, AST, CAN, NZL, SAF and IND in parts - there the only real difference are the HQs).
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I fully read you.

you'll always use GIP as a base, but if you are a regular german player it makes sense already with GIP alone. you can just take single items or the whole thing of mine or toy around yourself with it.

this is my current list (without the mentioned duplications of FT 17, stuart Panzer 4 etc):
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so in germany everything what contains people is done completely (INF, MIL, MTN, HQ, MAR, PAR) the rest is on a good way (i think mot and subs are done as well, all historical ships except CVs, 1 or 2 tanks missing).
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Very good, thanks for the info. Well, time to test this soon then :) .

Edit: those numbers look impressive, especially if one knows of much time and work every single digit costs...
 
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NOTE: please no tittys anymore

Edit: those numbers look impressive, especially if one knows of much time and work every single digit costs...
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update: GER has 169 right now

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note Haile Selassies militia in line 6 ;)
 
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bestmajor said:
what gives me a headache right now are the "Improved Battlecruiser" etc models without a real name. how did you solve that?
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Piece of cake - you use the German system. If you don't have a name for the battlecruiser type succeeding the Scharnhorst type it becomes 'Ersatz Scharnhorst'. That would make the one after that (not that there is one) 'Erstaz Ersatz Scharnhorst' and then 'Ersatz Ersatz Ersatz Scharnhorst' - need I go on.

Alternatively, you could use the planning designation so that 'Ersatz Scharnhorst Class' would become 'O Class' - in the same way that the Bismarck class was to be succeeded by the 'H Class'.

There should be enough ship data around for the major powers to be able to dig up the proposed class names for at least one, sometimes two, generations ahead. Let me know if I can help.
 
well, the problem is not the name but which image to use. i can live with a "improved battlecruiser" or "advanced carrier". i just have no idea which image i should take as i dont mod the models.csv anyway (except changing MODEL_SIA_22_0;Taksin-class into Thonburi-class, maybe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTMS_Thonburi as the ships are coded this way in scenarios .inc).

i just dont know which image to take when there is no class or name given. thats beyond my knowledge so i cant cover these images. i always need at least a B&W pic to proceed. (thought that digging out leaders was a hard task - just it seems i only know how to do that and feel a bit lost with the material :D )
 
V29 is out (the "Ill" version as there are hardly leaderpics) - a lot of things can be changed in germany after your likings (especially infantry), same goes for the british commonwealth (ENG -> CAN, SAF, AST, NZL, IND) or USA -> PHI.

grab it at 1st post this thread.

NOTE: corrections are highly welcome, it is made for HoI2 with normal settings 1024/768 (so could turn out pixely with higher resolution)
 
bestmajor said:
i just dont know which image to take when there is no class or name given. thats beyond my knowledge so i cant cover these images. i always need at least a B&W pic to proceed. (thought that digging out leaders was a hard task - just it seems i only know how to do that and feel a bit lost with the material :D )
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Ah, now I get it. Since the damn things were never built, you're not going to be able to find pics of them and are probably going to have to settle for 'cheats'. With your penchant for absolute historical accuracy that's definitely going to rub you the wrong way with a hard brush.

Slip me a list of the categories that most concern you and I'll see if I can't find an historical example or two - and if I can't I'll at least try to come up with a plausible filler.
 
yes, well i think germany has an "improved battlecruiser" or some things. no hurry needed as i'm off for the weeks to come anyway. in general everything which uses the generic form in the production menue.
 
Same deal as with Mr T, I'm afraid. I can get you 'historic' line drawing's of the German O Class BCs (Advanced Battleceuiser - i.e. post Scharnhorst) but no photos because none were ever built. In fact, the last genuine BC classes built anywhere were the Scharnhorst and the Dunkerque, so the Advanced BC, Semi-modern BC, and Modern BC are all hypothetical.

With a little good will you could class the Kirov class missile cruisers as Battlecruisers, in which case the pic below could be used as a generic Modern BC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:R...e_of_Pyotr_Veliky_nuclear-powered_cruiser.jpg

I'll see what other 'fudges' might be available.
 
hmpf. maybe but this one was laid down in 1986? - maybe i should fokus on the real ones and just forget about the fakes

In fact, the last genuine BC classes built anywhere were the Scharnhorst and the Dunkerque, so the Advanced BC, Semi-modern BC, and Modern BC are all hypothetical.
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well then these things could just been edited out from the Tech tree.

anyway, dont bother too much with searching, i'm off for a short time and then i'll see what comes next.
 
bestmajor said:
well then these things could just been edited out from the Tech tree.
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I think there's a good argument for that - unless you want to allow the game to proceed into the modern era. The first of the Kirov class was laid down in 1973 and launched in '77 so unless those extra BC levels are there to allow for modding up to at least that time, I think they could well be dispensed with.

I'll put my search on hold until I hear further from you. More time for translating - 'Eergh'.
 
bah, i'll probably paint something else until i get a good idea for those ships.
 
well, maybe i focus on INF first for some countries and return the leaders again. maybe for these ships i can use the sister ship (if available) from the previous class. german type 2 submarines are both 2B as far as i remember.
 
bestmajor said:
maybe for these ships i can use the sister ship (if available) from the previous class.
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Better than that, Scharnhorst and Gneisenau were originally built with a vertical stem and later modified to take the raked 'clipper' bow that features in most pictures. So from one class you could get two different looks. That would still leave one advanced class without a pic, but you'd be closing in.

I'll see what I can hunt up.
 
Still thinking. There's one more way you could go to fill the final 'empty' battlecruiser class and still stay sort of historical. By the end of the war the US had turned out a couple of Alaska class 'large cruisers'. They were designed as armoured cruiser (i.e. pocket battleship) hunters which was also part of the brief that produced the French Dunkerque class. In size (34,000 tons loaded) and armament (9x12inch) they ranked up there with both the Dunkerques and the Gneisenaus, so without too much of a stretch you could consider them battlecruisers.

Here are a couple of images
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?sta...121&tbnw=251&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:15,i:22
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?num...w=185&start=0&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0,i:79

from this page
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...pw.r_qf.&fp=ce1b11d3432c162d&biw=1272&bih=652
 
Since you're not going to find any photos of Advanced, Semi-Modern, or Modern Battlecruisers for any nation (because none were ever built) I'd be inclined to use this http://www.scharnhorst-class.dk/gnei...eatrials2.html for generic Advanced, this http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/i...000/k05580.jpg for generic Semi-Modern and maybe the Kirov pic from an earlier post as generic Modern.

If you want to stick with individual pics for individual nations you could use http://www.scharnhorst-class.dk/gnei...eatrials2.html for German Advanced, but after that you're snookered. The facts are:

Only France and Germany actually built Improved Battlecruisers and then nothing beyond that.
Britain and Japan only built Basic Battlecruisers - and nothing beyond.
Italy and Soviet Union didn't build battlecruisers at all.
US didn't build battlecruisers but did build http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/i...000/k05580.jpg as 'large cruisers' that could be construed as Advanced Battlecruisers - nothing before and nothing beyond.

You're in a tough spot.
 
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