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Very nice, great job.
I´ve downloaded and and checked this awesome worke, i like it, a lot.
Now i have a question, if i use the editor to change some of the units names, will this cause the game to crash?, lets say, if i want the german E-50 standard panzer to be called E-100 for example or maybe the mach 2 interceptor to be called different. Could this be possible?
Thanks. And nice work again. :rofl:
 
Oberkommando,
I have no experience with the editor and don't use it, so I'm not sure. It's easy enough IMO to just find the models.csv file and edit the file by hand using Notepad. In the next version I'll have model names for almost all of the planes for the USA and Soviet Union, and some for other countries as well.

Example: in that file you'll find:
MODEL_GER_5_6;E-50 Standardpanzer;E-50 Standardpanzer;E-50 Standardpanzer;E-50 Standardpanzer;E-50 Standardpanzer;E-50 Standardpanzer;;;;;X
Change the name to whatever you want
As for Mach 2 interceptor I've decided on:
MODEL_SOV_13_8;Sukhoi Su-9 Fishpot;Sukhoi Su-9 Fishpot;Sukhoi Su-9 Fishpot;Sukhoi Su-9 Fishpot;Sukhoi Su-9 Fishpot;Sukhoi Su-9 Fishpot;;;;;X
MODEL_USA_13_8;Convair F-106 Delta Dart;Convair F-106 Delta Dart;Convair F-106 Delta Dart;Convair F-106 Delta Dart;Convair F-106 Delta Dart;Convair F-106 Delta Dart;;;;;X
etc.....

Main Battle Tanks are also named. Ship names are still quite incomplete.
 
Oberkommando said:
Now i have a question, if i use the editor to change some of the units names, will this cause the game to crash?

DO NOT USE THE EDITOR! It is a horrid and unreliable piece of work...trust me.
 
Ok got it. I thought it might. Thank you both for answering. I´ll be attent on your update for this next project.
See you around :)
 
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nomonhan said:
Got it. Since you're on the forum, I notice that there are no Brazil political events after 1945. I seem to recall that Brazil made several changes from right to left and back, and recall particularly a João Goulart, who was deposed by a military coup in 64. Can you work up some political events for Brazil, and if need be an updated ministers file? Even though right now I'm mostly concerned about technology this will likely evolve into a full-blown Cold War mod.
I could try, i just don't have ANY expertise in scripting events. But I can tell you what happened.
 
Ringwraith_JP said:
I could try, i just don't have ANY expertise in scripting events. But I can tell you what happened.
If you could
1) Tell me all the people and dates, give an assessment of the ideology.
2) Add any ministers that need to be added (make a guess as to ideology and personality)
3) Give some brief background info
4) Suggest reasonable alternate choices if you know of any
5) Give your opinion as to whether there was foreign involvement (e.g. have heard of US involvement in the anti-Goulart coup in 64 but don't know what the Soviet side was doing) If there was foreign involvement then the event might have to start as an event to the US or USSR to try to topple the government.
That would be a great start

If you don't know any alternatives I can simply script events to have a 90% chance of happening so there is some randomness.

Oberkommando,
If you want to edit the model names all you have to do is open the models.csv file with Notepad, copy the entry into a second notepad file, then do "Edit--Replace All" (with your old and new name), then copy and paste your new entry back into models.csv and BINGO! --You've changed the model name! That works because the model name is the same in every language. It's much safer that way and not all that hard. Of course if you have changed it and download my program which overwrites the file, you'll have to do it all over again.
 
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Supervixians,
Glad to know you got it to work. Clarify something for me please--in order to get it to work did you have to ONLY remove from TRP the events creating nation-specific units (Waffen-SS or whatever) or did you have to find and remove events locking the ability to build tanks as well?[/QUOTE]

I only deleted the events related to elite units of USSR and Germany. I didn`t remove the You may now build armoured units event, so it still fires, but tanks can be built from the start. There`s an issue with some pictures of units (I didn`t delete any of the pics) so they`re a bit mixed up, but I don`t mind that too much. Oh, and since no more elite units exist, some starting units that used to be elite are "transformed" into late ones i.e elite cavalry = cavalry 51, so playing as USSR or Ger you have a few pretty strong units at the start (some might consider it cheating :rofl:).
Btw, as for tecnological development; playing as USSR in the year 1951 (that makes 15 years) and I`m almost level with other leading powers (Ger, USA; Jpn),probably because there is only one country in each bloc with 5 tech slots (Gbr has 1, Can 2, other major Allies dowed, Ita has 4 slots, but is waaaayyy behind). Japan was doing well too quite recently, but started to drop behind a few years back. Soviets manage to keep up the pace by stealing blueprints ( I researched 8 air doctrines last year !!!!!) and sacrificing some less important ones (encryption, some naval techs). Furthermore, since TRP allows techteam takeover ( I myself didn`t choose that option), one can dow a country with relative decent techteams, inherit them and enhance its own research.
Some suggestions for events too:
1. After Stalins death in 53 there was a power struggle amongst other kremlians, maybe spice up the history for USSR players a little ...
2. USSR gets away with annexing the Baltic states too easy. There was a significant partisan activity in all of the states till mid-fiftys ( last partisans were catched in mid-eighties, can anyone imagine living like 40 years in forest? :eek:). Some revoltrisk in Baltic provinces (especially the ones with forest :rofl:) or dissent-hit events might just do the trick.
3. A technological and economical boost may be considered for USSR after the fall of Ger. (The soviets stripped the factories of Ger, and sent all the machinery and technological knowledge back to their big motherland) Gaining a couple blueprints and some IC sounds reasonable.
 
Supervixiens,
Thanks for the report. As for the late units, what you are telling me is that Germany and the USSR have some elite units in the initial OOB. To correct this you'd have to edit the inc files to change them into normal units--maybe make them one technology ahead of what they are supposed to be but no more. So I think TRP compatibility would also require this.


Since you obviously played the USSR with better than historical results, and the allies don't have good blueprint trading partners, your USSR results are appropriate.
I wholeheartedly agree that the German surrender event does not give the USSR its due on technology. For one thing, if they overrun almost any part of Germany they get Peenemunde. They got the entire Junkers aircraft team historically. They initially copied German jet aircraft designs. In my own event series I will include technology theft in the surrender events.

You mention the Soviets stripping Germany. This should really be a choice for the Soviet player. The consequence of stripping Germany is that if the Soviets later release DDR it won't be much good to them. The stripping of IC would have to be written as deletion form German provinces and rebuilding in the USSR. I don't want to implement that yet but may consider this in the future. Also the industries stripped should not be rebuilt one-to-one because they were considerably damaged.

If you want to integrate this into TRP, I recommend adding three events and suggesting this to the TRP developers.
Event#1 fires when the Soviets occupy Berlin:
Gives 5 random technology thefts from Germany
Event #2 fires when the Soviets occupy Essen
Gives 10 random technology thefts from Germany
Event #3 fires if you happen to be at war with Vichy and overrun Vichy and Marseilles
Gives 2 random technology thefts from Vichy--heck you might as well get their carrier technology!
If you add these three events you should be able to stay within TRP and accomplish your objectives
Here's the code
event = {
id = 99999999 #make a suitable id
random = no
country = SOV

trigger = {
war = { country = SOV country = GER }
control = { province = 300 data = SOV } # Berlin
}

name = "Soviets Liberate Berlin"
desc = "Soviets Liberate Berlin"
style = 0

action_a = {
command = { type = steal_tech which = GER }
command = { type = steal_tech which = GER }
command = { type = steal_tech which = GER }
command = { type = steal_tech which = GER }
command = { type = steal_tech which = GER }
}
}

As for the East German teams, I have improved them, and I think if you have an East German puppet and it controls all of Germany you could awake the teams early by event.

What version are you using?
As of 0.13a I have relevant events in the post-Stalin power struggle with alternate results possible.
Also you are quite right about the revolts in the Baltics lasting until the early to mid 1950s. One possibility is to create partisan revolts if any of these provinces are not garrisoned.
 
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Ringwraith_JP.
How large is the document? You can post it on the forums if not too large or by PM. Otherwise you can put it up on a file-hosting site and post the link--either publicly or by PM.

Overhauling land doctrine--stay tuned
 
Okay, here we go. I made this little "guide" really quick. That's not suposed to be a hitery lesson, just the key facts that should become events. In RED the election results.

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Presidents:

1945 elections (taking office January 1946)
in 1945 Vargas was deposed by a Military coup and the following elections were as follows:
General Eurico Gaspar Dutra (55,40%) - Liberal
Eduardo Gomes (34,73%) - Right Wing
Yeddo Fiúza (9,7%) - Communist


1950 elections (taking office January 1951)
Getúlio Vargas (48,7%)
Eduardo Gomes (29,7%) - Right Wing
Cristiano Machado (21.5%) - Social Democrat

In 1953 one assassination attempt over Carlos Lacerda, Getúlios’ stronger oppositioner, was performed, supposedly, by two of Getulio’s security guards. The opposition then started ever growing pressure over Getúlio so he steps away from the presidency. After months of pressure, Getúlio killed himself with a shot in the heart in the first ours of 24th August. In the same day the Vice-President Café Filho (liberal – right wing) took office.

1954 elections (taking office January 1955)
Juscelino Kubitschek (35,7%) – Social Democrat
Juarez Távora (29,7%) - Right Wing
Ademar de Barros (21.5%) - Center
Plínio Salgado (8,28%) – Fascist (integralist)


1959 elections (taking office January 1960)
Jânio Quadros (48,27%) – Worker’s Party
Henrique Teixeira Lott (32,93%) – Social Democrat Party
Ademar de Barros (18.8%) - Center


In 1961 again Carlos Lacerda (now the governor of Rio de Janeiro) grew with his oposition against Jânio’s government. Jânio had a position to stay away from his party politics, making some of his old allies angry. After being accused of trying to stage a coup to definitely keep the office of president, Jânio stepped down as the opposition hardened. The Vice-President João Goulart suffered heavy opposition from the military, that prevented him from taking office. Instead the solution found was to establish a parliamentary government. Goulart would keep the Head of State position but would not be Head of Government; that was the measure found to avoid any deterioration of the political stability. The first Prime-Minister was Tancredo Neves (taking office September 8th, 1961)(Social Democrat Party), that later resigned the post in order to run for the Congress elections. He was replaced by Francisco Brochado da Rocha (taking office july 12th, 1962)(Social Democrat Party). The last Prime Minister was Hermes Lima (taking office September 18th, 1962)(Socialist Party). In the meantime one plebiscite was held to determine if the country should adopt the parliamentary regime or the Presidential system would be used. The Presidential System won and the Prime Minister system was abolished in January 23rd 1963, when Jango (Gourlart’s nickname) took the position of Head of Government and State.
Jango then launched the Three Year Plan, that was an radical measure in order to save the economy (that suffered with heavy inflation since the end of Kubitschek’s term). The Plan proposed several reforms in the Brazilian society: educational, tributary, electoral, agrarian and urban. The Congress rejected this measure placing Jango in a difficult position. He started a campaign to gather support for his plan, but he focused too much in the lower echelon of the society, and for that he was accused of being a communist. The opposition, then, started to add significant pressure against Jango, saying that he would install one Communist dictatorship and would give Brazil do the Kremlin. In the meantime several problems with the lower echelon of the military showing support to Jango’s politics happened. In the Sailors Revolt, one mutiny in the Navy was held showing support to Jango’s politics. When the mutiny was suppressed and the sailors jailed, Jango extended amnesty to all the sailors involved. The high command of the Nay felt humiliated. In one other occasion he addressed sergeants of the Army at the Automóvel Clube do Brasil, with a extremist speech.
In March 13th 1964, Jango and Brizola (leftist Politican), held a Demonstration at the Central do Brasil. In their speeches they announced extremist measures like the implementation of its plan, the call for a plebiscite to decide for a new Constituent Assembly and the nationalization of the Oil Refineries. Brizola was the favorite contestant to the next presidential election, so the UDN (National Democratic Union), the PSD (Social Democrat Party) and the Military started to articulate one coup to remove Jango and stop this rush to the left.
In the first hours of March 31st, the First Army began moving from Minas Gerais to Rio de Janeiro. It was the beginning of the coup. The plan was that the first military movements were to happen only after April 4th, but the commander of the First Army, General Mourão Filho, hastily started the coup. Confused, even the participants of the coup had to run and prepare their movements. The first hours of the coup were tense as most of the military leaders only waited to see what would happen. But, one after the other they supported the coup. The troops sent to stop the First Army, instead, joined forces and resumed their movement towards Rio de Janeiro.
It is important to notice that the USA had direct involvement in the coup. President Lyndon Johnson was directly involved and, through the American Embassy in Brazil offered military and logistical support to the military. The Operation Brother Sam was started in March 31st, 1964. The US Navy assembled one Task Force which mission was to aid the Brazilian military with ammo and fuel. The second mission was purely to intimidate the opposition to the Brazilian Military. The capital ship of the Task Force was the USS Forrestal (CVN-59), that along several Destroyers and Tank Ships would be stationed off the coast of the Santa Catarina State. The coup turned out to be pacific and the US military aid was not needed, but had the coup ended badly and with a Civil War (like it almost happened) the Task Force would join the battle siding with the Military trying to depose Jango.
In the capital, the President of the Congress (Senator Auro Soares de Moura Andrade) declared that the Presidency was empty, saying that the President had left the Country without authorization of the Congress. He then gave the presidency to the President of the Chamber of Deputies, Ranieri Mazzilli. Mazzilli kept the position until the military took complete control of the situation, when they held indirect elections for the presidency:

1964 elections (April 11th)
Humberto de Alencar Castelo Branco (98,63%)
Juarez Távora (0,81%)
Eurico Gaspar Dutra (0,54%)

In this period the military junta that created the coup created the “Institutional Act” (The AI), one (arguably) legal supra-constitutional act. In the AI-1 (April 9th, 1964), they suspended the constitution for 6 months, decided for the indirect election for President and removed political right of several politicians.
In June the SNI was created (National Information Service), it was one mix of Secret Police with a Intelligence Agency. His most famous director was General Emílio Garrastazu Médici, that like one Brazilian Béria concentrated power and prestige thanks to it’s control over the State Information Service.
The AI-2 (October 27th, 1965), removed the multiple party system and decided for the two party system, thus creating the ARENA (National Renewal Alliance Party) and the MDB (Brazilian Democratic Movement).
The AI-3 (February 5th, 1966) decided that the Governor election should be indirect, just like the Presidential Election.
The AI-4 (December 7th, 1966) called the Congress to vote a new Constitution. The Constitution was approved by the Congress in January 24th, 1967 and concentrated much of the power in the hands of the President.

1966 elections (October 3rd, taking Office March 15th, 1967)
Artur da Costa e Silva (100%)


The AI-5 (December 13th, 1968) was the darkest moment of the military rule in Brazil. The AI-5 was created by the military “hard liners” and gave the President absolute powers and closed the Congress for almost one year.

In 1969 Brazil was governed by a provisional Military Junta for two months (August 31st to October 30th). The Junta consisted of the three military ministers, Admiral Augusto Rademaker (Minister of the Navy), General Aurélio de Lira Tavares (Minister of the Army) and Air-Marshall Márcio Melo (Minister of the Air Force). The Junta gave way to the next President elected by the Congress:

1969 elections (October 22nd, taking Office October 30th, 1969)
Emílio Garrastazu Médici (100%)


1974 elections (January 15th, taking Office March 15th, 1974)
Ernesto Geisel (84,04%)
Ulysses Guimarães (15,96%)

1978 elections (October 15th, taking Office March 15th, 1979)
João Baptista de Oliveira Figueiredo (61,11%)
Euler Bentes Monteiro (38,89%)


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Ringwraith_JP,
The first thing needed is for the extra people to be added in the files. Would you care to post an improved Brazil ministers file? If you can post the file, I'll write the events.
 
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Mod New Nations already added some ministers for Brazil from that era.

Head of State;Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira;56;ML;Benevolent gentleman
Head of State;Jânio Quadros;61;ML;Popular Figurehead
Head of Government;João Goulart;56;SD;ambitious union boss
Head of State;João Goulart;61;SD;Die Hard Reformer
Head of State;Humberto de Alencar Castelo Branco;60;PA;Resigned Generalissimo
Chief of Staff;Humberto de Alencar Castelo Branco;60;SC;School of manouver
Head of Government;José Maria Alckmin;60;PA;Political Protege

There may have been a few more added. I don't recall atm.
 
danielshannon,
Thanks for the input. Your list is complete AFAIK. In the next version I think you'd want to look over the technologies from the viewpoints of the USA and Communist China. I've just completed the land doctrine overhaul, and will package things up for a release.

Ringwraith_JP
Would you mind going over Brazil's ministers (Paradox default plus danielshannon's additions) to see if things need to be changed. When I see the same person as both a leftist and a rightist, I admit that this is possible but I at least want to know why.

34001;Head of State;Getulio Vargas;36;LWR;Autocratic Charmer;High;M34001;x
34002;Head of Government;Getulio Vargas;36;LWR;Naive Optimist;High;M34001;x
34095;Minister of Armament;Getulio Vargas;41;LWR;Administrative Genius;High;M34001;x
34195;Head of State;Getulio Vargas;51;SC;Die-hard Reformer;High;M34001;x

34007;Chief of Staff;Gaspar Dutra;36;LWR;School of Defence;Medium;M34007;x
34067;Head of State;Gaspar Dutra;45;SC;Weary Stiffneck;High;M34011;x
34074;Head of Government;Gaspar Dutra;45;PA;Old General;High;M34011;x
34157;Chief of Staff;Gaspar Dutra;43;SC;School of Mass Combat;Medium;M34011;x
34162;Chief of Army;Gaspar Dutra;37;LWR;Static Defence Doctrine;Medium;M34011;x
34173;Chief of Army;Gaspar Dutra;45;SC;Static Defence Doctrine;Medium;M34011;x

34008;Chief of Army;Joao Neves da Fontoura;36;LWR;Static Defence Doctrine;Medium;M34008;x
34089;Foreign Minister;Joao Neves da Fontoura;45;SC;General Staffer;High;M34008;x
34158;Chief of Staff;Joao Neves da Fontoura;45;SC;School of Defence;High;M34008;x

To both of you,
I notice that Juan Peron of Argentina is in the game as left-wing radical, which makes him apt to respond to a Soviet pressure for alliance. I know he was somewhat of a populist but I thought he was closer to Mussolini in ideology. He is kind of a "Paradox", as he was friendly to both Nazis and Jews. Do either of you know who Argentina's "real" Communists might be?
 
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You want some Argentina commies? How about the Trotskyists?

Head of State;Juan Posadas;36;LE;Ruthless Powermonger
http://www.quatrieme-internationale-posadiste.org/anglais/history/Images/BioPhoto.png

Head of Government;Nahuel Moreno;36;LE;Backroom backstabber
http://pstperu.org/images/nahuel_moreno.jpg

Head of State;Francisco René Santucho;50;LE;Die-Hard Reformer
http://users6.nofeehost.com/elcombatientedigital/galeria/img_ante/vsantucho1.jpg

foreign minister; Haydée Tamara Bunke Bider;57;Cloak-N-Dagger schemer
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Tamara.jpg
foreign minister;Juan Posadas;36;LE;ideological crusader
http://www.quatrieme-internationale-posadiste.org/anglais/history/Images/BioPhoto.png
foreign minister;Juan Gelman;LE;55;Great compromiser
http://bp2.blogger.com/_6bKaGGUlphs/R2aO5kNoWBI/AAAAAAAAAOU/BRw9PzgRXz0/s400/11juan+gelman.jpg

minister of Armaments; Juan Posadas;36;LE;Resource Industrialist
Minister of Security;Silvio Frondizi;36;LE;Silent Lawyer
Minister of Security;Juan Posadas;36;LE;Efficient Sociopath
http://www.quatrieme-internationale-posadiste.org/anglais/history/Images/BioPhoto.png

Head of Military intelligence;Manuel Sadosky;40;LE;Technical Specialist
http://www.argentina.ar/advf/imagenes/474deb3e6e2eb3.89652207_238x180.jpg
Head of Military intelligence;Haydée Tamara Bunke Bider;57;LE;Political Specialist
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Tamara.jpg

Chief of Staff; Francisco René Santucho;50;LE;School of Mass Combat
http://users6.nofeehost.com/elcombatientedigital/galeria/img_ante/vsantucho1.jpg
Chief of Army;Enrique Gorriarán Merlo;60;LE;Decisive Battle Doctrine
http://bp2.blogger.com/_6bKaGGUlphs...oU/s400/18enrique+haroldo+gorriaran+merlo.jpg
Chief of Air Force;Jose Benito Urteaga;50;LE;Army Aviation Doctrine
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Cupulaerp.jpg
(second from left)
Chief of Navy; Francisco René Santucho;50;LE;Decisive Naval Battle Doctrine
http://users6.nofeehost.com/elcombatientedigital/galeria/img_ante/vsantucho1.jpg
 
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Ringwraith_JP
Would you mind going over Brazil's ministers (Paradox default plus danielshannon's additions) to see if things need to be changed. When I see the same person as both a leftist and a rightist, I admit that this is possible but I at least want to know why.

34001;Head of State;Getulio Vargas;36;LWR;Autocratic Charmer;High;M34001;x
34002;Head of Government;Getulio Vargas;36;LWR;Naive Optimist;High;M34001;x
34095;Minister of Armament;Getulio Vargas;41;LWR;Administrative Genius;High;M34001;x
34195;Head of State;Getulio Vargas;51;SC;Die-hard Reformer;High;M34001;x

34007;Chief of Staff;Gaspar Dutra;36;LWR;School of Defence;Medium;M34007;x
34067;Head of State;Gaspar Dutra;45;SC;Weary Stiffneck;High;M34011;x
34074;Head of Government;Gaspar Dutra;45;PA;Old General;High;M34011;x
34157;Chief of Staff;Gaspar Dutra;43;SC;School of Mass Combat;Medium;M34011;x
34162;Chief of Army;Gaspar Dutra;37;LWR;Static Defence Doctrine;Medium;M34011;x
34173;Chief of Army;Gaspar Dutra;45;SC;Static Defence Doctrine;Medium;M34011;x

34008;Chief of Army;Joao Neves da Fontoura;36;LWR;Static Defence Doctrine;Medium;M34008;x
34089;Foreign Minister;Joao Neves da Fontoura;45;SC;General Staffer;High;M34008;x
34158;Chief of Staff;Joao Neves da Fontoura;45;SC;School of Defence;High;M34008;x

Gaspar Dutra is a LWR when serving Vargas and SC for serving in the military and as President after Vargas. I don't think he should be PA as head of government. He should remain SC.

Joao Neves da Fontoura likewise got his job under Vargas and then had a later political comeback.

As for Vargas himself, he is a LWR in paradox's old minister file. I'd peg him for more of a PA/FA, but he is admittedly sort of hard to place. Anyway, he was removed from power in a coup but was later democratically re-elected. Hence the SC version of him.
 
DS,
After reading the two posts and consulting the wikis on Peron and Vargas:
1) Would have personally put in Peron as SD, since he was elected, and never actually was a dictator, with a second personality as FA since he likely would have worked with the Axis if they won the war. However, my big concern is this: during the Cold War he tried to not join either side. I did an experiment with Argentina as LWR with +200 relations with the Soviet Union and they still refused to join the Soviet alliance (chance zero!) so I don't think there's any harm in him being LWR. However, a second rendition of him as FA is in order.
2) I'm usually against Trotskyists, as they were in most parts of the world not effective (the only exception I know of is Sri Lanka where they actually managed to form part of the government). The issue is not "true communism" --it's whether the leaders would actually work with the Soviet Union as a puppet. Peron was actually far more popular than either the Stalinists or the Trotskyists, and many communists advocated "infiltrating" the Peronist movement. Might agree to put in the Trotskyists if no credible pro-Stalin leaders can be found. Some were quite active, and worked with Castro and Guevara. The issue should be discussed further. Would like to get some additional views.
3) I agree with you DS that Vargas sounds more like a fascist than a LWR, and that Paradox was probably wrong in making him LWR. And Prestes, who is already in the game as Stalinist, is a very credible Communist HOS/HOG. I think I'd like to hear Ringwraith_JP's views on the subject. I would have made Vargas FA and SC. To me he was more like Franco and Chiang Kai Shek.
4) Agree that Dutra should be SC as HOG and not PA.

For now I will make change #4, plus put in the new NNM ministers only, pending further input.
 
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danielshannon,
See if that resolves your problem.
You've of course noticed the lack of tech images. The industry techs at least will now have images. The next update for example will enable you to see this if you go far enough:
moonlandingqe1.png


Ho Ho Ho! :D Really cool, once i thought about it too but i didn't thought about these effects.:)
 
Most of the ministers that I suggested were involved in the People's Revolutionary Army. The PRA waged an unsuccessful guerrilla war against the Argentine state. I don't know if these guys would have been Stalin's picks to run the country, but they are the best Argentine communist ministers that I could find.


DS,
After reading the two posts and consulting the wikis on Peron and Vargas:
1) Would have personally put in Peron as SD, since he was elected, and never actually was a dictator, with a second personality as FA since he likely would have worked with the Axis if they won the war. However, my big concern is this: during the Cold War he tried to not join either side. I did an experiment with Argentina as LWR with +200 relations with the Soviet Union and they still refused to join the Soviet alliance (chance zero!) so I don't think there's any harm in him being LWR. However, a second rendition of him as FA is in order.
2) I'm usually against Trotskyists, as they were in most parts of the world not effective (the only exception I know of is Sri Lanka where they actually managed to form part of the government). The issue is not "true communism" --it's whether the leaders would actually work with the Soviet Union as a puppet. Peron was actually far more popular than either the Stalinists or the Trotskyists, and many communists advocated "infiltrating" the Peronist movement. Might agree to put in the Trotskyists if no credible pro-Stalin leaders can be found. Some were quite active, and worked with Castro and Guevara. The issue should be discussed further. Would like to get some additional views.
3) I agree with you DS that Vargas sounds more like a fascist than a LWR, and that Paradox was probably wrong in making him LWR. And Prestes, who is already in the game as Stalinist, is a very credible Communist HOS/HOG. I think I'd like to hear Ringwraith_JP's views on the subject. I would have made Vargas FA and SC. To me he was more like Franco and Chiang Kai Shek.
4) Agree that Dutra should be SC as HOG and not PA.

For now I will make change #4, plus put in the new NNM ministers only, pending further input.
 
DS,
The Argentine Trotskyists may very well be the best people. I'd like to get some other opinions though, before putting them in. They'll probably go into 0.15. Version 0.14 is ready for download. Posadas was a bit of a nutcase, and in his later years criticized Trotsky for advocating 'Socialism on One Planet'. I wonder if he was being tongue in cheek or for real. On the other hand he worked with Castro for a while.

hansery,
Moon Landing will also give 500 victory points.

Any tech images anyone? I've added some but could use a few more.