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yeah i, uh, really did not want to actually derail the thread, but what the hell is this my dudes
why are the sails like that todd
edit: aight you know what for the purposes of not nuking another is there will be containment thread i think if we want to discuss this further we should try and make a fresh thread about it. im not gonna do it bc i dont want to deal with the menchies but i do want it stated for the record i have serious ethical concerns about supporting a company that uses ai art for any reason
2nd edit: delighted to announce this ones a false alarm lads. the weirdly short spear on the soldier was bc of a smoke effect that went wonky (you can still see it a bit if you zoom right in). the strange looking sails are, as noted, an unfortunate side-effect of trying to portray a dromond without a huge amount of detail. trinexx responded to a thread on reddit about it saying theyre going to post some sort of progression timelapse on this piece as proof, so my personal concerns here are very much put to bed. fully my bad for being so paranoid about this (im the single digit stat man and all my traits are the worst ones)
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Seems to me that it's just due to the style they chose for this little pic. They weren't going for hyper-realism.
Anyway, a quick google search for a Byzantine Dromon yielded this, probably the template model the artist used:
The pic in question seems fine to me tbh.
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Councilman Silens calling for silence and focus, only to immediately continue the same argument anyways is based.
I completely agree too. Hear hear for the honorable speaker of our council
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yeah, the jury is for sure still out. i dont want to accuse anyone of anything they havent done but its a strange stylistic choice to have them blending together like that
again though, i do not want to ACTUALLY derail the thread with talk of this nature. im happy to put this one aside for now. if someone wants to make a fresh thread about it, thatd be swell. this is the COUNCIL session. gentlemen, we cant fight in here! this is the war room!
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Tbf, it was a direct response to Mr. Interactive Paradox, on the topic of expectation management and general excitement regarding the teaser. In doing so I was conforming to the rules, and was technically correct, which is the best kind of correct.
All that talk aside, the council formally looks to the event next Monday. While certainly a happy occasion, there are two questions in need of answering:
- Is the event next Monday just the release date reveal, or is there a bit more planned? Like an official announcement trailer, an introduction from the game director, a small preview of gameplay? Since the topic of expectation management was already brought up, I think it's fair to ask what to expect in advance.
- Is there will be a DD next week Tuesday, or will those only start after the Summer break? Because, techncially speaking, Monday is not Tuesday (DD-Day), and a release date reveal isn't a DD. One doesn't necessarily exclude or replace the other.
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Although to be fair the iconography on that ship is wrong. Especially that modern orthodox flag at the tip lol.
If someone wants to make that thread id love to discuss cause there are some questionable choices in an overall very accurate improvement over the existing Byzantine aesthetic.
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Also it's important to keep in mind that a not inconsiderable portion of the PDX playerbase has been ridiculously paranoid ever since the whole Imperator thing, even though that was years ago at this point. These are the people who basically need to constantly be reminded that the game is being worked on, as they will interpret basically any period of silence as evidence that a game has been or soon will be cancelled/shut-down/de-prioritized.
So please Mr. Paradox Interactive, keep us up to date, even if it's really not much. I'd take a small art or teaser DD over another half-dozen threads of people wildly gesticulating at questionable player count statistics and screaming "DEAD GAME!" any day haha.
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This feels like, perhaps somewhere a long the way it was forgotten that these are dev diaries and not dev marketing opportunities (maybe on both sides, PDX's and the forumites). To me, a diary is a regular report on the work that is being done, not a commercial. I'm on the PDX forum, I'm probably going to be watching the commercial when it comes out, I'm not here for that. Fluff diaries weren't complained about because they were fluffy, in my opinion at least, it was because they weren't presented as what they were: What we were excited about that we worked on this week/two weeks. If you didn't get a lot of work done or you did but it was mostly boring but useful stuff, that is what the diary should be about. So to me, no diary feels like a signal that nothing happened, which I know is not the truth. People are always working on art, fixing bugs, doing historical research. Are you afraid that if people know what you're working on before hand, they won't want to buy it? I'm not sure that strategy worked with Legends of the Dead. Comments like this one just feels like a shift in overall attitude of distrust and animosity toward the community. Which, as a live service game, that feels like a mistake. Like, oh our community sucks we don't even want to share with them what we are working on. Maybe that attitude is making harder to work on things? I don't know, this message just was really depressing to me.
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I agree with you but we need to be careful about discussing this topic again in this thread. It’s how the last thread got shutdown
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I don't really understand why a moderator would want to encourage multiple threads being posted every week about if there is going to be a DD instead of keeping it contained to this one where even a developer of the game is treating it like the appropriate place to discuss the topic. I would also say that it was useful to have a single containment thread where this discussion could happen (and honestly, was the one place where it felt some devs were trying to address this issue by continuing to interact with the community sentiment in the subject). I will limit further avenues of discussion in this area however only as direct replies to developers and moderators, unless one such person tells me that it's okay to do otherwise (which, I again would argue is that actual, on topic, purpose of the thread, even if you could, decide that it literally is only about asking a binary yes or no question).
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For a teaser of this importance (just a picture) I would'nt even care if it was AI made
too much "drama" for nothing
too much "drama" for nothing
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Oh, you people and your strange foreign ways.
I'll just include this from the Code of Conduct. No reason not to be reminded of this every now and again:
'We welcome and encourage feedback on all our platforms, regardless of sentiment. It is always good to know when our players are happy with our games, but constructive feedback can also be very useful for us to further improve your gaming experience... if it is presented in a civil and constructive manner...'
I'll just return to the scullery now. Anyone want anything? Does this cat really need to be here?
I'll just include this from the Code of Conduct. No reason not to be reminded of this every now and again:
'We welcome and encourage feedback on all our platforms, regardless of sentiment. It is always good to know when our players are happy with our games, but constructive feedback can also be very useful for us to further improve your gaming experience... if it is presented in a civil and constructive manner...'
I'll just return to the scullery now. Anyone want anything? Does this cat really need to be here?
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i took a look at ck's subreddit and people are seemingly unhappy because they somehow think it's AI generated with absolutely no evidence or proof, just baseless accusations, some people are just never happy i guess
me personally i don't think it's AI, the relative perspectives, the shadows, it's all too perfect for it to be AI, there's definitely a human touch to this artwork and I wanna show appreciation to the artist(s) who may have spent hours or days creating this just for it to be trivialized as merely AI generated
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That's why the announcement is on monday. We get "The Vision" DD the next day more than likely.
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They do in fact use AI generation in their Art it is well known and that teaser picture is 90% AI and you can tell me otherwise, the other 10% is the "human touch".
The artists you're trying to appreciate themselves have for multiple times admitted to using AI generation to support their work.
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Behind the Scenes: Making the Roads to Power Artwork
Hello everyone! Ahead of our release date announcement for Roads to Power, we decided to give everyone a peek behind the curtain and see some of the stages our keyart for Roads to Power went through before reaching the final version we revealed...
Not exactly a DD, but hopefully this is an acceptable appetizer ahead of next week.
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In the name of everyone here, the council thanks you for your efforts. You, comrade, are a true man of the people.
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does any of the blobs above represent the final artwork? if you do I have a bridge to sell you
they said they used AI for this particular art to create reference points, REFERENCE, and then draw everything from scratch by hand (there's literally a timelapse of the art being made in their YT channel lmao), those percentages you created out of thin air are flipped, and even 10% AI is already very generous
Anyways, amazing artwork by the artists as always, I take any teaser with gratitude and I only judge based on the final product itself when I get my hands on it sometime this year. On behalf of the PDX community I'd like to apologize for yesterday's headache.
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