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You can use this to great effect, especially if you are in Asia. Start as a landlocked, weak OPM? Go over forcelimit, get ahead on mil. tech, go to Malaysia and vassalize Sunda or someone and then laugh all the way to the bank. Or vassalize a Manchu horde and become tributary to Ming.
 
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I cant Poland make release Teutonic Order! Why?
 
I cant Poland make release Teutonic Order! Why?
Because the Teutonic Order has Prussian culture, so unless Poland owns a TO core with Prussian culture, you can't make Poland release TO.

(And I'm having real trouble understanding why you want to, given those screenshots...)
 
thats a bummer,
long time ago i asked for this, to not run into trouble with it.

I am asking just in case, not that I ruin anything: Can I fully annex them now, and, since they have a core in a polish province, make Poland release Teutonic as a OPM and then fight Teutonic again and make them my vasall?
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Also, in the long run I might want them to be protestant and convert all their stuff I will give them. Any things I should do now to steer towards that outcome?

Yes, you can make them spit TO out again. You'll have to force vassalize them, as you'll have their cores and thus can never diplovassalize them.



Convert all their cores you have to before you spit them out.

That all said, wouldn't Mazovia be a better vassal to use there since you already have TO's cores?

Then your best bet is

1. Annex TO
2. Convert all their cores to Protestant
3. Fight Poland, make them spit out TO. If all the other provinces are protestant, TO should be protestant with a catholic province.
4. Fight and vassalize TO.


And now I cant make them release TO.
What now? I want TO as my vasall
 
Because the Teutonic Order has Prussian culture, so unless Poland owns a TO core with Prussian culture, you can't make Poland release TO.
Any German culture, actually. Same group is the requirement.
What now? I want TO as my vasall
You want TO as your vassal in Poland and want to hold Prussia yourself, is that it? Take the province for yourself, culture convert it to Prussian, return core to TO, force-vassalize is probably the best play from here if you really want them as your vassal and don't want to give up any of the land you already hold, but it depends on how much YOS you have and what year it is for if you can convert it before it expires. If you can't do that, you can return a couple cores you currently hold, attack and force vassalize, grant a bit of whatever land you want them to eventually hold in poland if that's what you want, release them from your subjugation, then attack them and re-force vassalize them while also taking back the original land you want to own yourself that you had returned to them (can't seize land capitals), then continue feeding them whatever it is you want them to have. Warn spam Poland and Lithuania in the truce times in between so they don't kill it. I suppose instead of releasing and force vassalizing them a second time you could force lithuania to conquer from them what of their land you want after you feed them a bit, then take it back for yourself later.
 
Any German culture, actually. Same group is the requirement.
You want TO as your vassal in Poland and want to hold Prussia yourself, is that it? Take the province for yourself, culture convert it to Prussian, return core to TO, force-vassalize is probably the best play from here if you really want them as your vassal and don't want to give up any of the land you already hold, but it depends on how much YOS you have and what year it is for if you can convert it before it expires.

I cant control what I give them, if I release them. That would mean they get the whole of East and West Prussia if I release TO. Of course I dont want that.
So its not possible that I release them.
Also, if I have to wait for Separatism to tick off, than culture convert, the Province of "plock" I wanted to give them, has already lost the TO Core.
 
You can return individual provinces to them with the "return core" button, them force-vassalize them after the truce is up.

You mean this button?

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Are you 100% certain, that this will work and release TO as a OPM ?
I could take plock from poland for myself, then release "Osterode" for TO, then give them plock. Maybe seize Osterode after that again.
 
It will release them, yes.

Osterode will then be their capital, which you cannot take with the seize land interaction.

Now that I think about it though, you should be able to do this in only 1 war with TO by taking the TO core poland holds in the current war, returning Osterode to TO, selling the core you took from poland to TO (they'll want their own core), then after the truce force-vassalize TO and conquer Osterode.
 
It will release them, yes.

Osterode will then be their capital, which you cannot take with the seize land interaction.

Now that I think about it though, you should be able to do this in only 1 war with TO by taking the TO core poland holds in the current war, returning Osterode to TO, selling the core you took from poland to TO (they'll want their own core), then after the truce force-vassalize TO and conquer Osterode.

I'll try. Hopefully this will work.
 
Can i do the following:
I own a province.
the next bordering province I give to my vasall.
the next bordering province I take for myself and core it, because it borders my vasall I can do so.
the next bordering privince after that I give my vasall again.
again and again, so that I have a chain of
"my province - vasall province - my province - vasall province - my province - vasall province"
?
 
Nope. Your vassal can't core that province.

you can core next to one of your vassal's CORE, ownership isn't sufficient.

I dont mean in one war. I mean over time. The vasall could core their province, after next war I take next to it, i core it, after next war I give the vasall a province etc.
 
well you can simply feed everything to your vassal in the first war then. Snaking a vassal in a first war and propagate by direct ownership through it (with or without first seizing lands) is another possibility. But yeah, if you want to fight many wars you can expand slowly layer by layer inside your target.

edit: yeah I was kind of assuming that vassal lands were connected here.

If you keep asking in a more confusing way a question that was already answered, you'll end up with confusing information, keep that in mind lol
 
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I can not make a claim in the name of my vasall, can I ?
Or make a claim for myself, if only my vasall borders the enemy, but I dont ?
Well you can make the claim yourself and give the claim to your vassal if he can core that province through vassal interaction.

I just remembered that with the new change to espionage idea you can do it.