EUIV - Quick Questions / Quick Answers

[TheRealRemus]

I just conquered Athens and Byzantium just happen to still have a core there. Now when I release them they will be orthodox, will that change if i convert the province to catholic first? I remember that some tags always spawn with their own religion but are there some who do not and take the religion of the province?

 

[RMS Oceanic]

I just conquered Athens and Byzantium just happen to still have a core there. Now when I release them they will be orthodox, will that change if i convert the province to catholic first? I remember that some tags always spawn with their own religion but are there some who do not and take the religion of the province?

Released vassals take into account the total development of all cores of that nation. If Orthodox cores for Byzantium besides Athens exist, odds are it will still be Orthodox.

However, if you click the Return Province button (making sure it will return it to Byzantium), the released nation will be the religion of the province regardless of its other cores, and while independent you can usually diplovassalize them fairly easily.

 

[TheRealRemus]

Released vassals take into account the total development of all cores of that nation. If Orthodox cores for Byzantium besides Athens exist, odds are it will still be Orthodox.

However, if you click the Return Province button (making sure it will return it to Byzantium), the released nation will be the religion of the province regardless of its other cores, and while independent you can usually diplovassalize them fairly easily.

okay thanks, gues ill have to force convert them.

I have a nother question i just noticed that as soon as the commonwealth loses its provinces to muscovy my vassal lithuania loses all its cores on those provinces, is this WAD?

 

[RMS Oceanic]

okay thanks, gues ill have to force convert them.

I have a nother question i just noticed that as soon as the commonwealth loses its provinces to muscovy my vassal lithuania loses all its cores on those provinces, is this WAD?

Depends on the culture of the province, Muscovy's absolutism and whether it was a territorial core or a full core.

 

[rinehime]

Haven't played in awhile... Is there a way to check on co-belligerent status after I declared war? Isn't there some notifier in the war screen?
I'm pretty sure I checked the box, but they're not calling in their allies and I can't demand their land in the war-leader peace screen (haven't occupied it yet though...).

 

[Lordkaiser]

1. If an enemy occupies the whole country of my vasall, can he force him to become independent of me? Or does it have any effect?

2. How bad is a civil war caused by low legitimacy, what(how much) should I expect to lose regarding manpower, monarch points etc. ?

 

[mechanical_Critter]

Haven't played in awhile... Is there a way to check on co-belligerent status after I declared war? Isn't there some notifier in the war screen?
I'm pretty sure I checked the box, but they're not calling in their allies and I can't demand their land in the war-leader peace screen (haven't occupied it yet though...).

Two of them. On the main war screen, left of each belligerent, there may or may not be a flag. It indicates non cobelligerent status. Also when going for a peace deal, you can hoover over the warscore and / or dipcost, the game will breakdown the cost and cobelligerent status will be shown this way (which is more reliable, eg in coalition wars).

It's absolutely normal to not be able to demand their lands in the main peace deal, you can check if they're non-cobel in the separate peacedeal screen, where you need not occupy their provinces to demand them.

 

[mechanical_Critter]

1. If an enemy occupies the whole country of my vasall, can he force him to become independent of me? Or does it have any effect?

No, you would have to accept it in the peace deal.

2. How bad is a civil war caused by low legitimacy, what(how much) should I expect to lose regarding manpower, monarch points etc. ?

Civil war is not great, but it's not so awful. Basically it depends if you're willing to let your pretenders enforce lol. In any case your prestige should tank quite a bit, and I think manpower too. Of course more precise values depends on your size, play, defensiveness, etc.

 

[Blust]

Hi, can anyone give me tips about technologies and ideas for a Great Horde play ? I'm behind in tech (except military one), and I've yet to chose my first idea group.

I can't really afford a military group since I'm already having trouble to keep up, I'm really behind on administrative tech, and not sure if diplo is any worth as a Horde... So yeah pretty much lost here. My economy isn't thriving either, I'm in positive only because Ottoblob is subsidizing me 3 ducats / month. Idk if more infos are necessary, thanks !

 

[KaiserJohan]

Hi, can anyone give me tips about technologies and ideas for a Great Horde play ? I'm behind in tech (except military one), and I've yet to chose my first idea group.

I can't really afford a military group since I'm already having trouble to keep up, I'm really behind on administrative tech, and not sure if diplo is any worth as a Horde... So yeah pretty much lost here. My economy isn't thriving either, I'm in positive only because Ottoblob is subsidizing me 3 ducats / month. Idk if more infos are necessary, thanks !

Are you razing every province you conquer? It should give you more than enough, or what is your pace? Are you disinheriting / making generals out of bad monarchs? Developing institutions (except Feudalism?)
Generally a few screenshots will help in identifying the bottlenecks

 

[Laurent1944]

Hordes have a very bad economy... except for plunder and war treaties. In my current Yeren->Manchu game, in 1527, I am losing 37 ducats/month, and I am under my force limit. It is still not an issue, because I am chaining war against Ming tributaries. Ming is at 0 mandate, in constant bankruptcy with a totally devastated land (I have won 6 or 7 wars against it). Each war is the same: I concentrate first on Ming, taking Pekin and then forts, until I have the score to take all available money and one province. Ming then gives me about 2800 ducats, enough to support my economy for 6 years, then I finish the poor tributary and conquer/raze it. This and advisors lvl 2, plus force development of Renaissance relatively early, keep me on track for tech, at least regarding Asia. And as soon as war is won, I declare on another tributary and again Ming is drawn in.

Last war was against Sarig Yogir (in Tibet)+Ming. Just resplenished the treasury to 3000+ ducats, I build some buildings and paid back two loans. Until the last war, I finished my wars with Ming with far more loans (the second was hardest: I won 2880 ducats and paid back about 2500 ducats in debt). Also with this kind of repeated plunders I now have 41% inflation, but I can afford it as soon as Ming is still there to provide me money. I will launch a new war in some months against Tibet, another tributary, then build a temporary colony in Luzon to be able to launch another against Tondo, and then in 1532 truce with Korea will finish and I will restart attacking one by one Ming tributaries in the north.

 

[PhoenixG]

Hi, can anyone give me tips about technologies and ideas for a Great Horde play ? I'm behind in tech (except military one), and I've yet to chose my first idea group.

I can't really afford a military group since I'm already having trouble to keep up, I'm really behind on administrative tech, and not sure if diplo is any worth as a Horde... So yeah pretty much lost here. My economy isn't thriving either, I'm in positive only because Ottoblob is subsidizing me 3 ducats / month. Idk if more infos are necessary, thanks !

With the limited info I would say to don't raze enough. Pretty much every province you conquer, you raze. About eco, well you're playing an horde. So eco isn't there strong suit. Need money? you conquer and raze. Sitting and wait you'll die even if your balance is positive.

 

[Laurent1944]

To continue my example, here is my situation two years and a half later:

War was longer than usual because I wanted to reach 80% WS vs Ming to take the string of provinces in the south, giving me access to three more Ming tributaries, with the blue in the west the weakest that will be attacked on 1st March. Still it is +1700 ducats in 29 months, close to +60/month. I call it an healthy economy (at least from the Manchu point of view, Ming does not agree...)

Ming is in a so bad situation that it can't man its forts anymore (was only the case in one of my wars vs them before), so next war will be started on 1st March and my troops will rush to as much forts as possible. Actually I think I will reach 25% WS with Ming in some months, ask them for money and then attack the next tributary.

 

[Laurent1944]

One year later, on 1st January I made peace with Ming for 2700 ducats and two provinces, on 2nd I declare on Tondo, another Ming tributary, on 3rd I made peace with Mongnao (sp?) the tributary I attacked last year, asking it to admit defeat (most interesting thing for me ATM, and will also have a shorter truce). Result of fiscal year 1530 is +1900 ducats, not too bad.

A trick to reduce your loss of money and help for repeating wars against Ming. Once Ming armies are gone, unman all captured forts. Make peace on 1st day of month with Ming, attack another tributary as soon as peace is done, and move pre-positionned troops on all forts reachable in less than one month. They will have 0 garrison and be treated as no-fort provinces, so will fall one month after your troop arrival (1k men are enough) and vastly boost your WS. Peking is not working like that, the capital part (fort 1) can't be turned down, so garrison will grow back to 1500 after each capture, but if you capture it just before signing peace and repeating agression, garrison can be very low (600 in my case, which is not optimal because I did not make peace ASAP after Peking fell, but took time to ferry troops to Philippines, but still is far better than the possible maximum, 4500)

 

[BoomKidneyShot]

I know there's the accepted wisdom of having 1000 development by 1600 in order to pull off a WC, but are there equivalents for True One Tags?

 

[Blust]

Oh, I haven't razed any province...

I regularly punch Lithuania for money, and slowly eat Muscovy, but yeah I'm not playing by Horde mechanics I guess. I'll try razing from now on but maybe it's too late.

 

[PhoenixG]

I know there's the accepted wisdom of having 1000 development by 1600 in order to pull off a WC, but are there equivalents for True One Tags?

That 1000 dev at 1600 is for one tag. The new world itself is mostly colonizable land, since doesn't give OE. So you don't even have to core those.

 

[mechanical_Critter]

I know there's the accepted wisdom of having 1000 development by 1600 in order to pull off a WC, but are there equivalents for True One Tags?

Comparatively to a one tag, where your setup is not really super important (mostly, you want your capital in europe, and a combination of ideas with adm and diplomatic), a true one tag needs oftentimes a more involved setup: religion, capital MUST be in NW, you sometimes must sacrifice some boons to complete some objectives, etc. The 1000 dev is, if I understand it correctly, a milestone to get absolutism efficiently and beeline towards C&C. Depending on your setup, that might or might not be possible.

Imo it's really a case by case basis and it's acceptable to have less (or conversely, much higher) dev under your control. Setup is more important, and these issues should be solved by 1600 is the idea imo.

 

[deckhand]

@Laurent1944 - do you leave Ming largely intact so cash remains high?


So, as horde (never played them) we should raze a lot. Does this continue all game or is there a time when you change government and strategies?

 

[PhoenixG]

So, as horde (never played them) we should raze a lot. Does this continue all game or is there a time when you change government and strategies?

You can stay as till the end of the game and raze till the end of the game, but it will most likely result in a WC. If you decide to reform and settle do it after you have secure some good trade nodes. Due all the razing your overral dev isn't that good and need to rely a lot on trade as your eco.