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(Pre-Conquest) Any lord in Andalos : "The Northerners of Westeros have yet to bend the knee in front of the Seven, and the domination our Brethen across the Narrow Sea were supposed to achieve has yet to come. Let us go to their aid; Let there be a second conquest!"

(Post-Conquest) Any lord in Andalos : "The Vile Valyrians, all of them born out of the abomination known as incest, rule over our Brothers of the faith in Westeros, stopping them from taking their rightful places as Kings and Queens. It is the Seven who punished the Dragonlords for their crimes by bringing the Doom; Let us finish what They started!"

(War of the Five Kings) Any lord in Andalos : "The Andals finally rule over the Iron Throne that was forged so many years ago by the dragonlords, but the struggle is not over, for there are still men and women, in the northern regions of our promised land, who follow the false, cruel gods of the forest. Westeros belongs to the Andals; let us remind this to the mens who call themselves "King in the North" and "King Beyond The Wall"

(Any bookmark after the Red Wedding) Any lord in Andalos : Terrible! Stannis Baratheon, the very brother of the man who took the Red Keep from the Valyrians, has declared himself a faithful of R'hllor, and declared his war of Conquest against the rightful, Seven worshipping, Andal Lord of the Seven Kingdoms! We cannot let a follower of the red slaver god rule over our promised land as King; Prepare the ships, men, for Dragonstone must fall!"

karmaepsilon said:
I really hope to eventually see House Mudd in the house customizer
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You can by adding the custom dynasty trait thing in the ruler customizer and, once in-game, make yourself the big bro of said wards. I once did so and ended up rebuilding Harrenhal just to rename it Newstones ('Cause fuck originality), while giving Riverrun and Oldstones to my second and third brothers as wedding gifts


Moarice said:
To be fair, pretty much every major house of the Reach has a better claim to it than the Tyrells.
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Which is why I always play house Hightower when I go for the Reach. The fact that Aegon didn't make them Lord Paramount makes no sense
 
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SchmittLenin said:
Which is why I always play house Hightower when I go for the Reach. The fact that Aegon didn't make them Lord Paramount makes no sense
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It makes a perfect amount of sense. By appointing people who have no right to kingship and whose position is wholly dependant on their liege can ensure greater loyalty. Moreover by ensuring that their vassals feel less loyalty to them as they do not see them as their age-long rulers he also makes them less likely to support their liege on the off-chance that he would rebel against the Iron Throne. Divide et Imperia.
 
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Also there's the small matter of the Tyrells opening the gates of Highgarden to him. No other house showed that loyalty, it took the High Septon to pretend he had a vision for the Hightowers to open the gates of Oldtown to Aegon. The Tyrells just let him in. That sort of loyalty deserves rewarding.
 
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"loyalty". But yes, it was a show of good faith which is to be seen as something good. You want your enemies to surrender to you without a fight and Aegon used both the carrot and the stick (Harrenhal).
 
SBerger said:
Really does given how the Baratheons, Tullys, and Tyrells were some of the most loyal vassals for the Targaryens, until Robert's Rebellion.
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And what happened during the rebellion? The Baratheons and Tullys rebelled and the Tyrells pretty much sat down and sieged Storm's End instead of, you know, joining the loyalist army and beating the shit out of Robert. Useful, loyal vassals indeed...
 
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SchmittLenin said:
And what happened during the rebellion? The Baratheons and Tullys rebelled and the Tyrells pretty much sat down and sieged Storm's End instead of, you know, joining the loyalist army and beating the shit out of Robert. Useful, loyal vassals indeed...
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After what Aerys pulled, that the Tyrells supported the throne at all was a pretty serious show of loyalty.
 
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Tiranasta said:
After what Aerys pulled, that the Tyrells supported the throne at all was a pretty serious show of loyalty.
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Yes, ancestral loyalty can only take things so far and the king threatining to kill you is a pretty good motivation to rebel against him.
 
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SchmittLenin said:
And what happened during the rebellion? The Baratheons and Tullys rebelled and the Tyrells pretty much sat down and sieged Storm's End instead of, you know, joining the loyalist army and beating the shit out of Robert. Useful, loyal vassals indeed...
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Considering your original comment was a bout hightowers, let's see what the Hightowers have done since Aegon became king (noting that the Tyrells actually fought on Aerys' side during Roberts Rebellion, inflicting Robert's only defeat)>

A Hightower septon instigated a rebellion by the faith that consumed two kings and led to the death of thousands.
The Hightowers were instrumental in the Dance of Dragons, it probably wouldn't have happened if Aegon's mum wasn't such a horrible person.
They didn't support either side during the Blackfyre rebellion (which was certainly less justified than Robert's Rebellion considering it was simply a legitimised bastard trying to claim the throne by right of conquest, rather than an aggrieved party trying to not be executed).

Giving the Tyrells the Reach was the smart move, as was giving Orys the Stormlands after he wed Argella (that way it seems like a continuation of the old dynasty, even taking the sigil and words of the Durrandons).
 
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ogarrr said:
Also there's the small matter of the Tyrells opening the gates of Highgarden to him. No other house showed that loyalty, it took the High Septon to pretend he had a vision for the Hightowers to open the gates of Oldtown to Aegon. The Tyrells just let him in. That sort of loyalty deserves rewarding.
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The Hightowers opened the gates up as soon as Aegon approached; I always got the impression that the High Septon "having a vision" was just a convenient excuse for the Hightowers to save a little face and claim they weren't betraying their king. It's not like the Targaryen army sat outside Oldtown for months before the gates were opened.
 
ogarrr said:
You're probably right, he didn't join Mern on the field of fire either (which was, by all means, a smart move).
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House Hightower's real words: "We hedge our bets"
 
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Minchandre said:
The Hightowers opened the gates up as soon as Aegon approached; I always got the impression that the High Septon "having a vision" was just a convenient excuse for the Hightowers to save a little face and claim they weren't betraying their king. It's not like the Targaryen army sat outside Oldtown for months before the gates were opened.
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Gotta love how everyone in the fandom shits on the Seven
 
SchmittLenin said:
Gotta love how everyone in the fandom shits on the Seven
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Right, because the comment you quoted directly insults the Faith, and real history saw no instance of religion being used pragmatically.

Even if the High Septon had had a real vision, it's safe to assume that House Hightower, who have been characterized as being very pragmatic multiple times in canon, would not act on said vision unless there was a practical reason to do so. Just like most real historical rules didn't tend to jump to answer the Pope's decrees unless they had a good reason to.
 
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How did The Seven save Davos from drowning? He had an hallucination because he was stuck on a bit of rock with no food or water, then Salladhor Saan shows up. That's it.
 
ogarrr said:
How did The Seven save Davos from drowning? He had an hallucination because he was stuck on a bit of rock with no food or water, then Salladhor Saan shows up. That's it.
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I thought it was strongly implied in Davos' POV chapter that he thought the Seven saved him (Also, Salladhor showing up at the perfect moment to save Davos is really Deus Ex Machina, if you ask me...). While it may not be hard proof, someone claiming to see the future in flames isn't either
 
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