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Inferis said:
Johan,
regarding those ids: does that mean that the special ids 1614 and 1615 are 2019 and 2020 now? Or are they just the same?
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Looking at the dummy in province.csv, it's still #1614...

I can't recall how 1615 is special though...?
 
There should be *SOME* PTI

PTI should be anywhere where agriculture or pastoralism of any kind (using the era's technology) is impossible, and so therefore is any settlements are just as impossible.

Therefore the deep Sahara, the rocky mountains, the himalayas, the Gobi Desert, Antarctica, etc...
 
naww, now that a map editor is in the works, we don't have to discuss this nor that about PTI. for example the Modern Day Mod Modders will want to remove the PTI entirely -- PTI would OTOH be very useful for people who want to make maps that don't wrap around horizontally, such as if someone were to make a LOTR mod for example.
 
Mad King James said:
There should be *SOME* PTI

PTI should be anywhere where agriculture or pastoralism of any kind (using the era's technology) is impossible, and so therefore is any settlements are just as impossible.

Therefore the deep Sahara, the rocky mountains, the himalayas, the Gobi Desert, Antarctica, etc...
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Or where is was nearly impossible to cross with armies or large numbers of people...which is mostly what MKJ listed, but also the inner jungle areas.
 
Arrrgh! How do I know how many provinces there are adjacent.tbl ????

Long night ahead of me...

EDIT: Answer (occurred to me while driving my son to his drumming lesson) is to load whole file in, count how many quadwords contain 0xCDCDCDCD and that number should be the value of the last offset.
 
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Jinnai said:
Or where is was nearly impossible to cross with armies or large numbers of people...which is mostly what MKJ listed, but also the inner jungle areas.
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That can actually be managed somewhat with bad climate, zero taxability and a high value for size (10-ish), but PTI might be ok too..
 
If you make it non-PTI, you have to accept the fact that someone could conceivably build a city there.

And once over 5000 pop, it doesn't matter how crappy the environment, it will only grow.

Therefore, the only areas that should be non-PTI are areas that could conceivably support a city of 5000+.

In other words, if it can't, it should be PTI.
 
Heh. I'll be adding new provinces to most of Europe, NA, SA, Japan, Australia, more islands, more rivers... yes, why have noone mentioned more rivers? Surely, there are rivers not in EU2 that are important enough to be so? I'm not river expert, so I can't name any atm... but I really like the strategic aspect of rivers.
 
Hive said:
Heh. I'll be adding new provinces to most of Europe, NA, SA, Japan, Australia, more islands, more rivers... yes, why have noone mentioned more rivers? Surely, there are rivers not in EU2 that are important enough to be so? I'm not river expert, so I can't name any atm... but I really like the strategic aspect of rivers.
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The river Severn! (longest river in Britain) It should run down the Wales - Midlands boarder towards St George's channel. :D
 
Van Engel said:
The river Severn! (longest river in Britain) It should run down the Wales - Midlands boarder towards St George's channel. :D
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Are you being sarcastic?

Basileios II said:
Euphrat and Tigris would be nice.
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Yes, they would indeed.

The HoI map (which I consider to be better than the EU2 map in many aspects) have lots of rivers, more than EU2. I think HoI can be a great source of rivers.
 
Hive we should start making a list of river/lake complexes that we could merge...

For example the Dead Sea, Jordan River thing could prolbably be merged...

Also possibly the Great Lakes? We could either merge them into one big "Great Lakes" province, or if we want to add an element of strategy to the combat there we could add an adjacency from the ST. Lawrence seaway to the great lakes... or... possibly we could even merge the US rivers (Ohio and Mississippi) and the many incarnations of the Danube?

Perhaps even all non navigable lakes could be merged into a single province? That wouldn't take much work, you'd just have to floodfill every non-naviable lake in the IDs layer to the same colour.
 
FAL and I actually already started to do such a list, 2-3 weeks before I realised how near Inferis' map editor actually was... I thought I'd have time to design a new map before en editor would come, boy was I wrong... :D

Here's the rather small list we got:

* = Unsure whether or not to implement (not yet implemented)
? = Unsure about the name

SEA ZONES:

EUROPE
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882 (merged into 881) - sea between Sweden and Finland
841 (merged into 840) - sea outside northern coast of Norway
*842 (split between 840 and 843) - sea north of Norway
1433 (merged into 1394) - river alongside Estland and Livland
1455 (merged into 1394) - river alongside Estland and Livland
*1001 (split between 1000 and 1002) - sea outside Albania

NORTH AMERICA
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1457 - Fraser River, Northwestern Canada
1372 (merged into 1371) - Great Lakes, USA




SOUTH AMERICA
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MIDDLE EAST
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1327 (merged into 1326) - Caspian Sea
1453 (merged into 1437) - Dead Sea
1454 (merged into 1437) - Dead Sea
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However, now that we got 405 new provinces, I see no reason to merge anything (unless it makes either historical or gameplay sense) just yet.
 
Hive said:
Heh. I'll be adding new provinces to most of Europe, NA, SA, Japan, Australia, more islands, more rivers... yes, why have noone mentioned more rivers? Surely, there are rivers not in EU2 that are important enough to be so? I'm not river expert, so I can't name any atm... but I really like the strategic aspect of rivers.
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Move the Po, in northern Italy. It would need to split Lombardia in two, and have the river ride north-west/south-east, then either cut the Mantua province, or somehow rearrange the borders to have it run normal.

The Somme, running through Picardy, from Artois.

The Tiber, cutting Roma in two, and turning north along Marche.

The Escaut (= Schelde ) between Flandern and Brabant, then Flandern/Zeeland, and make the Meuse an arm of the Rhine (to save a 'slot').

The Douro (across Oporto) and the Guadalquivir (across Andalusia).


I think major european rivers are already depicted. Rivers should not be added for aesthetics, but for their true strategic value. And I don't think many more strategically important rivers exist, not for a great length at least. Few rivers are wide enough to prove really difficult to cross, except at the mouths. So, you could add some rivers between two coastal provinces.

BTW, do you have a mean to edit straits ? :)
 
I suggest that All rivers are merged in one unique river called River... It can be in multiple place then (like PTI province).

I don't care about a river called "Seine river" and another "Rhine river" or with two province "River".

Same for Lakes...
 
Captain Frakas said:
I suggest that All rivers are merged in one unique river called River... It can be in multiple place then (like PTI province).

I don't care about a river called "Seine river" and another "Rhine river" or with two province "River".

Same for Lakes...
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This could be done if IDs are running low... but we got 405 free IDs now, for christ's sake... exactly how many provinces do you peeps want to add? :p
 
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