I know what happened. He got killed during an operation in Malta, but he was the guy behind the creation of the Decima MAS.
-
We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.
- Status
I know what happened. He got killed during an operation in Malta, but he was the guy behind the creation of the Decima MAS.
So he was killed in July 1941. That means, according to your idea, X MAS stopped operations afterwards.
I will be happy to test the Polish, you will test the Italian, etc. This cross check it's a kind of minimum requirement with regards to the quality assurance.
No, Tesei 'stopped operations' (like breathing, for instance
). But XMAS continued. If the TT was named "XMAS" I'd agree with you, but it's not the case.
No, Tesei 'stopped operations' (like breathing, for instance
Once again "Teseo Tesei was killed in action so, like Balbo, it should be decided to withdraw a team because such kind of events. The alternative, as I said is Borghese."
Borghese was the leader of XMAS after Tesei, but Tesei was the guy that planned the whole thing in the first place (The researcher, hence, the tech team, in my opinion). However, I agree with his death being "via event". Still, I find it much more logical and historical to put Tesei instead of Borghese in charge.
"1938: He was one of the officers with Prince Valerio Borghese who organized the Decima Flottiglia MAS."
That means Borghese is a suitable alternative.
EDIT
To the list above mentioned of sunk/disabled warships I should add
HMS York, March 1941, Suda, 10,350 tons
Last edited:
Those I guess:
2713;GOP;GOP;3;1936;1970;mechanics;technical_efficiency;industrial_engineering;management;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
2714;Zaklady Azotowe w Tarnowie;ZakladyAzotowe;5;1930;1970;industrial_engineering;chemistry;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
2715;PIT;PIT;4;1930;1970;mechanics;electronics;management;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
2716;TKDN;Groszkowski;3;1930;1970;rocketry;mechanics;chemistry;technical_efficiency;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
2717;Dowództwo Broni Pancernych;DowództwoBroni;3;1930;1970;combined_arms_focus;small_unit_tactics;training;technical_efficiency;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
2718;Centrum Wyszkolenia Piechoty;CentrumWyszkolenia;5;1930;1970;individual_courage;small_unit_tactics;infantry_focus;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
2719;CWOL w Deblinie;CWOLwDeblinie;5;1930;1970;fighter_tactics;piloting;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
Having just one land doctrine team will be painful, but other teams are more important.
Oh, I am sorry - I should have marked it as directed to everybody else, not to you in specific. My mistake.
@Cardus
I hate playing vanilla because it is so boring, but I've run a quick test in 1938-39.
Zakłady Azotowe are a very good team - historically a part (with other factories and companies) of the COP, but because COP lacks chemistry (and I think it is fine) it feels ok now. Much better than before.
The team itself feels rather balanced, maybe in the Arsenal it should get skill 4 rather than 5, but I don't think it really changes much. I guess it depends how fast the team will learn in the game, but that cannot be checked right now.
I will however change the starting year for modified vanilla team Panstwowa Wytwórnia Uzbrojenia (former Fab. Broni Radom) to 1937. Right now it seems too strong for 1936 - historically PWU was expanded as a part of the COP project so it is reasonable.
I didn't even use any other new techteam - they are very specialised as they should be and even the AI shouldn't assign them the wrong way.
If anything playing POL might be even more difficult now - no COP from the start might hurt, but at least now there are teams to deal with specific problems, unlike in the past and noone is going to disappear without even saying good bye.
@Maj. von Mauser
Konstanty Rokossowski, but I chose English spelling, because he was a foreigner and it should feel this way.
That was a common problem at that time. I guess that only Germany and Britain didn't suffer from that at the beginng.
Japan, Italy and Poland all did and it resulted in numerous delays in all those cases...
I think that you could argue to modify some starting Italian teams - more specialities, but lower starting skill, so in time the teams will learn if they are used quite often or/and are funded better or whatever makes them learn.
It is worth noticing that sometimes a single incident could cause massive problems - let's say a trading partner refuses to sell license-production rights for an engine and you are screwed...
The problem is it could happen or not, so it could be either event driven or changed by expanding funding or any other thing which allows learning.
The Arsenal gives the second option so at least in some cases it can be assumed that a team should be allowed to learn and for this reason start with more specialities, but with lowered skill.
Proposing wouldn't hurt - some changes can be included and some not, but in the end if even one idea is implemented it is still something.
Last edited:
Well, this is what I got.
Name: Universidad Complutense de Madrid.
Country: SPR/SPA (Both countries had or would have it working once they won)
Skill: 5 (It was considered the rival of the University of Berlin as the best in Europe and probably the world in 1936, but after the SCW well, I guess it wasn't all that good anymore)
Start Date: 1939 (It was founded in 1293, but I guess it didn't have too many students during the Civil War)
End Date: 1970
Research Fields: Mathematics, Management, Chemistry, Electronics. (Could add another field, but it would make it a rather imbalanced TT)
Image:
I seriously doubt they need anything else. They have at least a team for everything, and more than one for some stuff. The exception is Nuclear Engineering (But Spain, as a medium power, shouldn't go nuclear with ease after all) and Rocketry (The Nationalists shot the guy who made the first Spanish turbojet engine, so they screwed themselves), and neither is essential.
Opinions, anyone?
Name: Universidad Complutense de Madrid.
Country: SPR/SPA (Both countries had or would have it working once they won)
Skill: 5 (It was considered the rival of the University of Berlin as the best in Europe and probably the world in 1936, but after the SCW well, I guess it wasn't all that good anymore)
Start Date: 1939 (It was founded in 1293, but I guess it didn't have too many students during the Civil War)
End Date: 1970
Research Fields: Mathematics, Management, Chemistry, Electronics. (Could add another field, but it would make it a rather imbalanced TT)
Image:
I seriously doubt they need anything else. They have at least a team for everything, and more than one for some stuff. The exception is Nuclear Engineering (But Spain, as a medium power, shouldn't go nuclear with ease after all) and Rocketry (The Nationalists shot the guy who made the first Spanish turbojet engine, so they screwed themselves), and neither is essential.
Opinions, anyone?
I disagree, especially about the radars. If a country made some important steps in developing radar technology and that was done on its own it should be considred.
Now, with radars much more important - as disclosed by the AoD team - it is not only about history, but also about what is useful.
A historically accurate advantage in this technology shouldn't be overlooked.
Rockets - mind that this is also about jet engines and as a matter of fact Polish scientists built and tested pulse jet engine as early as in 1932.
To make it clear - it was Jan Oderfeld, Wladyslaw Bernadzikiewicz and Józef Sachs and first a testing model was built in 1931, after which a full size jet engine was tested in 1932.
Of course this type of engine was still very primitive, but it was something worth mentioning nonetheless.
The first one is still alive and well (is 101 years old), so you can mail him if you like.
So specialised technologies might seem less useful, but not always it is the case, especially if someone chooses to play with a certain country. Otherwise it is meaningless because shouldn't affect the balance of the game in a negative way.
So please find below my thoughts above Italian aircrafts (for the moment only fighters):
Scenario A: The set up of the tech cannot be changed
Macchi/Reggiane/Fiat Aviazione start with 5 (less than sufficient) or 6 (sufficient) until 1941 until when Alfa Romeo started producing first the Daimler-Benz DB 601 (licence acquired in 1939 but production severely delayed until 1941) and later the Daimler-Benz DB 605
Starting from 1941 the teams should be upgraded to 7 or 8 (the aircrafts was able to match the Spitfires but we should leave some room for prejudices)
What I strongly suggest in order to keep the historical accuracy is to hamper the Italian's production. In other terms I would like to suggest AoD to add a severe penalty for Italy in terms of days required to produce/upgrade the aircrafts.
Scenario B: The set up of the tech can be changed somehow
A new item in Air Tech is added: the engines
Alfa Romeo/Piaggio (skill 2 or 3) should be able to finish its research on the Daimler-Benz DB 601 not earlier than 1941
Alfa Romeo/Piaggio (skill 2 or 3) should be able to finish its research on the Daimler-Benz DB 605 not earlier than 1942
Macchi/Reggiane/Fiat Aviazione start with skill 7/8 but they cannot develop anything better than pre-war aircraft (tech 1939)
After the required engine has been developed by Alfa Romeo then Macchi/Reggiane/Fiat Aviazione can start developing modern aircrafts
What I strongly suggest in order to keep the historical accuracy is to hamper the Italian's production. In other terms I would like to suggest AoD to add a severe penalty for Italy in terms of days required to produce/upgrade the aircrafts.
Last edited:
I'm sorry cegorach but one matter is a kind of prototype and a very different matter is the production. I think that we cannot consider prototipes for the time being.
I disagree, especially about the radars. If a country made some important steps in developing radar technology and that was done on its own it should be considred.
Now, with radars much more important - as disclosed by the AoD team - it is not only about history, but also about what is useful.
A historically accurate advantage in this technology shouldn't be overlooked.
Rockets - mind that this is also about jet engines and as a matter of fact Polish scientists built and tested pulse jet engine as early as in 1932.
To make it clear - it was Jan Oderfeld, Wladyslaw Bernadzikiewicz and Józef Sachs and first a testing model was built in 1931, after which a full size jet engine was tested in 1932.
Of course this type of engine was still very primitive, but it was something worth mentioning nonetheless.
The first one is still alive and well (is 101 years old), so you can mail him if you like.
So specialised technologies might seem less useful, but not always it is the case, especially if someone chooses to play with a certain country. Otherwise it is meaningless because shouldn't affect the balance of the game in a negative way.
Whatever, you won't drop your nationalism, not even for a second. You are just too unreasonable. I'll just continue with my stuff, you can do as you please with yours.
Unlike you, I find him entirely reasonable.
Are you going to help us in researching and testing?
Could you please provide proof for him being unreasonable? For example, if you were arguing for Messerschmidt to have a lower skill level then Supermarine, you would provide examples of same-generation aircraft manufactured by both firms, showing that Messerschmidt's aircraft were inferior to Supermarine's.
I'm not seeing the proof. Make your point, explain your point, prove your point. You're lacking the final factor.
EDIT: anyways, some land doctrine teams for reunited Chinas.
CHC:
People's Liberation Army
Skill 6 (not great, but fought on near-equal footing against Omar Bradley Skill 7 for USA)
Specialties: Individual Courage, Small Unit Tactics, Centralized Execution, Infantry Focus (Infiltration Assault team, as befitting an army that started as guerrillas, conducted the Long March, and fought the UN forces in Korea essentially as a complete light infantry army)
Startdate: 1943 (only available if 'Chinese Reunification - Communists' has fired, so if you reunite China in '45, you get them in '45, but if you reunite China in '42, you still won't have them until '43)
Enddate: 1970
CHI:
Whampoa Military Academy:
Skill 6 (balanced with PLA for CHC)
Specialties: Combined Arms Focus, Large Unit Tactics, Centralized Execution, Individual Courage (Human Wave team, which is excellently suited for China's strategic situation)
Startdate: 1943 (same reasoning as above, except for 'Chinese Reunification - Nationalists')
Enddate: 1970
Last edited:
Of course it is, but I simply wanted to prove something - rocketry is for jet technology -> here is an example.
This sort of thing.
I believe that is the point in proving something.
The pulse-jet engine was discontinued exactly for this reason - it was too costly and its practical application was lass important than engine PZL Foka* which was the priority at that time.
The example is simply to make stronger argument that a certain techteam makes even more sense. Because it is useful and because this kind of research is a fact.
True jet engines designed for airplanes were produced in POL only after Soviet technology was transfered in late 1940s (to 1951 if I remember correctly), but again it was after the war which destroyed this branch of industry almost completely and there were other things to worry about.
* Foka was supposed to propel fighter-bomber PZL 38 Wilk, the planned replacement for PZL P.11, but the project was delayed and failed in the end which resulted in other delays including other projects like the development of PZL 50 Jastrzab, PZL 45 Sokół, RWD 25 etc.
I will try my best.
*...Jees watching this 'Dollhouse' can really be dangerous...*
All right, now more seriously.
The second proposal is quite interesting as modding projects are concerned, but right now preparing for AoD is the main concern.
Some changes could be made but it should still be simple - your second proposal in my opinion isn't easy to implement and ITA shouldn' t receive special rules for researching or upgrading.
I guess it could be dealt with with sliders - for central planning/open market and standing/conscripted army which confer sufficient penalties to the time it takes to rearm a unit.
The first one however actually seems doable, but I think it will be up to a player i.e. blueprints from Germany + the teams learning and gaining skill because they are better funded and/or because they are frequently in use.
I don't think there should be any specific dates defined by a scenario or some files - it looks like the BPs could be purchased earlier or later and it is up to the player.
You can always propose to redesign a techteam - add more areas and lower the skill where you thing it is reasonable, when it is fair and when it won't by an accident turn the dedicated aeronatic teams into tank researchers.
You could easily modify the techteam file and test it keeping in mind the fact that the team is supposed to gain knowledge and skill over the time.
That is what I think.
You don't get it, either. I don't deny the existance of Polish research on radars or rockets. That's what you don't get. I don't argue against Polish science or developement. I argue against the fact that Poland is getting 5 tech teams, being a minor/medium sized country, and the fact it lasts for about four weeks after the DoW. Had there been any time of GIE in HoI 2, I might think differently now. But if we give every Poland-Sized country 5 tech teams we won't be done as soon as we'd like. I could fairly easily add 5 or maybe more tech teams to Argentina being born there myself, but it's just a matter of knowing what role did that country play during ww2. Poland spent most of ww2 under German occupation, and even if Polish soldiers, ships and planes fought in different theaters alongside allied forces, I doubt they conducted any sort of scientific research (The exception being codebreakers working in France or Britain).
- Status