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Sorry for the nagging but...

Originally posted by Demetrios


Well, I'm not sending stats with the monarch lists, only suggestions on whether a stat should be "high", "low", "very low", etc.
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Sounds reasonable as a heuristic.
I believe that we should at least have a link with the unstructured data displayed or something. I really don't care if its difficult to read, a simple string search will still help us to determine what is worth looking for. Preferably the data should be split either by country or by category (provinces, events, monarchs, leaders). I'd like to know that my looking for famines and earthquakes in Korea is meaningful.
The best thing would be that a new forum "Resources for EU2" or like should be created with "Sticky" threads on each country (preferably) continent or on each category, because it would take some pressure off Doomdark and Gen. Suvorov when it comes to reading or editing data. Any thread without posts will be obviously meaningful to collect data on. The non-public countries can be put in the beta tester forum.
 
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Sounds reasonable as a heuristic.
I believe that we should at least have a link with the unstructured data displayed or something. I really don't care if its difficult to read, a simple string search will still help us to determine what is worth looking for. Preferably the data should be split either by country or by category (provinces, events, monarchs, leaders). I'd like to know that my looking for famines and earthquakes in Korea is meaningful.
The best thing would be that a new forum "Resources for EU2" or like should be created with "Sticky" threads on each country (preferably) continent or on each category, because it would take some pressure off Doomdark and Gen. Suvorov when it comes to reading or editing data. Any thread without posts will be obviously meaningful to collect data on. The non-public countries can be put in the beta tester forum.
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Good idea.
 
More nagging :)

A closed thread or something similar in the new forum containing ideal forms or minimum requirements on data decided by Doomdark and Gen. Suvorov would also be good to reduce unnecessary work.
 
Originally posted by Crook


If only Julius II :D If you check the original EU pope file you'll see quite a few of them with a mil rating of 7. Actually after I read a little bit about some of them, it made me think that the ratings were assigned rather randomly, as a few of the worst ones had high ratings, and one of the good ones was a total crap.
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Well, but it all depend on what you believ the Mil/Adm/Dip represent...:) From EU point of view the Mil value has nothing to do with if Julius II as a person had good military skills (that is what the leader is for). It is the average value of military developmental efficiency during his reign....:)

/Greven
 
Mil value has nothing to do with if Julius II as a person had good military skills (that is what the leader is for).
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That isn't what I meant. I normally take a Mil rating as a possibility a monarch is involved in progress in that field (whatever you want to define it to be). While I can envision some of the Popes being good administrators, I hardly can see them as being good at infusing research in military field, somehow the idea of a Pope designing a new cannon doesn't look right.
 
Status

We now have complete monarch files for:

Aragon
Austria
Burgundy
Castille
England
France
Scotland
Spain
Poland
Turkey
USA

These will all be in the initial beta (plus the old IGC files.)

Thanks to you folks, we also have the data for most of the new European and Asian nations. That leaves the new African and American nations (quite a challenge), plus the expanded lists for the old minors.

Oh, and don't bother with the Nordic countries; me and Greven have them pretty well covered. :)
 
Ethiopia
Tewodros (Theodore) I 1411-1414
Isaac 1414-1429
Andrew 1429-1430
Takla Maryam 1430-1433
Sarwe Iyasus 1433
Amda Iyasus 1433-1434
Zara Yakob (Constantine I) 1434-1468
Baeda Mariam I 1468-1478
Constantine II 1478-1484
Amda Seyon II 1494
Na'od 1494-1508
Lebna Dengel (David II) 1508-1540
Galawedos (Claudius) 1540-1559
Moslems allied to Turkey defeated, with
Portuguese help, Battle of Lake Tana, 1543
Menas 1560-1564
Sarsa Dengel 1564-1597
Jacob 1597-1603,
1604-1607
Za Dengel 1603-1604
Susneyos (Sissinios) 1607-1632
Fasilidas (Basilides) 1632-1667
Yohannes (John) I 1667-1682
Iyasu (Jesus) I the Great 1682-1706
Tekle Haimanot I 1706-1708
Tewoflos (Theophilus) 1708-1711
Yostos (Justus) 1711-1716
Dawit (David) III 1716-1721
Bekaffa 1721-1730
Iyasu II 1730-1755
Iyoas (Joas) I 1755-1769
Yohannes II 1769
Tekle Haimanot II 1769-1777
Salomon (Solomon) II 1777-1779
Tekle Giorgis (George) I 1779-1784, 1788-1789,
1794-1795, 1795-1796,
1797-1799, 1800
Jesus III 1784-1788
Ba'eda Maryam I 1788
Hezekiah 1789-1794
Ba'eda Maryam II 1795
Solomon III 1796-1797,
1799
Demetrius 1799-1800,
1800-1801
Egwala Seyon 1801-1818
Joas II 1818-1821
 
Originally posted by Crook


That isn't what I meant. I normally take a Mil rating as a possibility a monarch is involved in progress in that field (whatever you want to define it to be). While I can envision some of the Popes being good administrators, I hardly can see them as being good at infusing research in military field, somehow the idea of a Pope designing a new cannon doesn't look right.
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An that is the proof of your arguement being wrong. Because if it was connected to the very person of the regent then every Pope should have MIL=0 and then the Papacy would be trashed by anyone actually they would be the Savages with Spears...So that cannot be as the Papacy had a nice military development in the same pace as Venice, and the other Italian states. The MIL/ADM/DIP values are the TOTALITY of competence in time and space.

/Greven "Who at least have read the design document"
 
Re: Status

Originally posted by Doomdark
We now have complete monarch files for:

Aragon
Austria
Burgundy
Castille
England
France
Scotland
Spain
Poland
Turkey
USA

These will all be in the initial beta (plus the old IGC files.)

Thanks to you folks, we also have the data for most of the new European and Asian nations. That leaves the new African and American nations (quite a challenge), plus the expanded lists for the old minors.

Oh, and don't bother with the Nordic countries; me and Greven have them pretty well covered. :)
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What will be done with Flanders for monarchs as there really weren't any ? A council ?
 
Zimbabwe
Nyatsimba Mutota............................fl. circa 1450
Matope Nyanhere........................latter 15th century
Mavura Maobwe..........................latter 15th century
Mukombero Nyahuma..........................c. 1480-c. 1490
Changamire.................................c. 1490-c. 1494
Kakuyo Komunyaka...........................c. 1494-c. 1530
Neshangwe Munembire........................c. 1530-c. 1550
Chivere Nyasoro............................c. 1550-c. 1560
Chisamharu Negomo Mupuzangutu..............c. 1560-c. 1589
Gatsi Rusere...............................c. 1589-c. 1623
Nyambo Kapararidze.........................c. 1623-1629
To Portugal...................................1629-1690
ROZVI EMPIRE
Dombo.........................................1690-1695
Dombo established the Rozvi state after driving the Portuguese off the plateau, along with their Munhumutapan client kings, who continued to wield a local authority under Portuguese hegemony in Mozambique until their suppression in 1917. Dombo's successors (whose names I have no record of as yet) oversaw a ramshackle state composed of locally autonomous clans and villages. By the end of the 18th century, there was no central authority at all, which allowed a Bantu adventurer to establish a new state...



Benin
DAHOMEY
Dakodonu........................................fl. c. 1620
Wegbaja.........................................fl. c. 1645
Akaba...........................................fl. c. 1685 with...
Hanebe (fem.)....................................fl. c. 1685
Agaja.............................................1708-1732
Tegbesu...........................................1732-1774
Kpengla...........................................1774-1789
Agonglo...........................................1789-1797
Adanzan...........................................1797-1818



Ashanti
ASHANTI A major state located in what is now Ghana
ASHANTI
Twum........................................c. 1570- ?
Antwi........................................... ? -c. 1600
Kobia Amama.................................c. 1600-c. 1630
Oti Akenten.................................c. 1630-c. 1660
Obiri Yeboa.................................c. 1660-c. 1680
Osei Tutu...................................c. 1680-c. 1720
Opoku Ware..................................c. 1720-1750
Kusi Obodum....................................1750-1764
Osei Kwadwo....................................1764-1777
Osei Kwame.....................................1777-1798
Opoku Fofie....................................1798-1799
Osei Bonsu.....................................1800-1823

Mali
Vacant.........................................c. 1400-c. 1440
EMPIRE of SONGHAI
SUNNI
Sunni Silman Dandi.............................c. 1440-1464
Sunni 'Ali........................................1464-1492
Sunni Baro........................................1492-1493
ASKIYA
Mohammed..........................................1493-1528
Musa..............................................1528-1531
Mohammed Benkan...................................1531-1537
Isma'il...........................................1537-1539
Ishaq I...........................................1539-1549
Dawud.............................................1549-1582
Al-Hajj...........................................1582-1586
Mohammed Bana.....................................1586-1588
Ishaq II..........................................1588-1591
Mohammed Gao......................................1591-1618
To Morocco........................................1618-1670
To Tuareg Nomads..................................1670-1854
 
Kongo
CONGO In northern Angola, and encompassing the estuary of the lower Congo River. An independent Black African state by times supported or attacked by the Portuguese...
Manikongo
John Nzinga Nkunu..............................1482-1506
Alphonse I Mvemba-Nzinga.......................1506-c. 1543
Peter I Nkanga Mvemba.......................c. 1543-c. 1545
James.......................................c. 1545-1561
Alphonse II.........................................1561
Bernard I......................................1561-1567/8
Henry........................................1567/8-1568
Alvares........................................1568-1587
Alvares II Mpanzu a Nimi.......................1587-1614
Bernard II.....................................1614-1615
Alvares III....................................1615-1622
Peter II.......................................1622-1624
Garcia I Alphonse..............................1624-1626 d. 1626
Ambrose........................................1626-1631
Alvares III....................................1631-1636
Alvares V...........................................1636
Alvares VI Alphonse............................1636-1641
Garcia II Alphonse.............................1641-1661
Anthony........................................1661-1665
Kingdom disintegrates into local petty states. The region absorbed into Portuguese Angola in the 19th century.
ANGOLAPortuguese Colonies on the coast from 1576. The interior penetrated and annexed during the second half of the 19th century.
To Portugal....................................1576-1640
To the Netherlands.............................1640-1648
To Portugal....................................1648-1975
 
Songhai
http://www.conch-republic.com/~rob/lords1/songhai.html
To Mali........................................c. 1340-1433
To the Tuareg.....................................1433-1468
To Songhai........................................1468-1589
To Morocco........................................1589-1670
Pashas of Timbuktu, appointed by the Sa'adi Sharifs of Morocco
Judar........................................1589-1590/1
Mahmud.....................................1590/1-1594/5
al-Mansur..................................1594/5-1597/8
Mahmud Taba'...............................1597/8-1598/9
'Ammar al-Fita.............................1598/9-1599/1600
Sulaiman................................1599/1600-1603/4
Mahmud Longo...............................1603/4-1611/2
'Ali.......................................1611/2-1617
Ahmad al-'Ilji....................................1617
Haddu al-Ajnasi..............................1617-1618
Mohammed al-Massi............................1618-1621/2
Yusuf al-Qasri.............................1621/2-1626/7
Ibrahim al-Jarrari.........................1626/7-1627/8
'Ali al-Qadir..............................1627/8-1631/2
'Ali al-Massi..............................1631/2-1631/2
Sa'ud 'Ajrud al-Sharqi.....................1631/2-1633/4
'Abd al-Rahman.............................1633/4-1634/5
Sa'id al-Mahmudi...........................1634/5-1636/7
Mas'ud al-Za'ari...........................1636/7-1642/3
Mohammed...................................1642/3-1646/7
Ahmad al-Tilimsani.........................1646/7-1647/8
Hamid al-Haiyuni...........................1647/8-1648
Yahya al-Gharnati............................1648-1650/1
Hammadi al-Ajnasi..........................1650/1-1653/4
Mohammed ibn Musa..........................1653/4-1654/5
Mohammed al-Shiadami.......................1654/5-1656/7
Mohammed al-Shatuki Qa'id Buya.............1656/7-1660
'Allal al-Harusi..........................(1 day) 1660
al-Haj al-Mukhtar............................1660-1660/1
Hammu al-'Ilji.............................1660/1-1660/1
'Ali al-Faraji.............................1660/1-1661/2
'Ali al-Tazarkini..........................1661/2-1662/3
'Ammar 'Ajrud al-Sharqi....................1662/3-1665/6
Mohammed al-Shatuki Qa'id Buya (restored)..1665/6-1666/7
Nasr al-A'mashi al-Dar'i...................1666/7-1666/7
'Abd al-Rahman al-Andalusi.................1666/7-1667/8
Nasr al-Tilimsani..........................1667/8-1670
To Segu...........................................1670-1787
Mohammed al-Kuihil al-Sharqi.................1670-1671/2
Mohammed al-Mubarak al-Dar'i...............1671/2-1672/3
'Ali al-Dar'i I............................1672/3-1675/6
Sa'id al-Fasi..............................1675/6-1678/9
'Abdallah al-Dar'i.........................1678/9-1679/80
Dhu'l-Nun al-Mukhtar al-Sharqi............1679/80-1680/1
Mohammed al-'Ilji..........................1680/1-1680/1
Yahya al-Mubarak al-Dar'i..................1680/1-1681/2
Dhu'l-Nun al-Mukhtar al-Sharqi (restored)..1681/2-1682
Mohammed al-Mubarak al-Dar'i (restored)...........1682
Ba-Haddu Salim al-Hassani.........................1682
al-Fa' Benkano al-Sharqi al-Mudasani.....(3 days) 1682
Zenka 'Abd al-Rahman al-Fasi.................1682-1683/4
Mohammed al-'Ilji (restored)...............1683/4-1683/4
'Ali al-'Amri..............................1683/4-1684/5
al-Mubarak al-Za'ari.......................1684/5-1685/6
Sa'ud Bokarna..............................1685/6-1685/6
al-Hassan al-Munabbih......................1685/6-1686/7
'Abdallah al-Qa'id Hassan al-Dar'i.........1686/7-1687/8
al-'Abbas al-'Amri.........................1687/8-1687/8
al-Mansur al-Za'ari Sanibar................1687/8-1688/9
Ahmad al-Tazarkini.........................1688/9-1689/90
Sa'ud Bokarna (restored)..................1689/90-1690/1
Sanibar Buya...............................1690/1-1690/1
Ibrahim al-Dar'i...........................1690/1-1692/3
Baba Sayyid Hammadi al-Sharqi..............1692/3-1692/3
al-Mubarak al-Za'ari (restored)............1692/3-1693/4
Ibrahim al-Dar'i (restored)................1693/4-1693/4
Dhu'l-Nun al-Mukhtar al-Sharqi (re-rest.)..1693/4-1693/4
Ahmad al-Khalifa al-Tilimsani..............1693/4-1694/5
Sanibar Buya (restored)....................1694/5-1695/6
'Abdallah al-A'mashi al-Dar'i..............1695/6-1695/6
Hammadi al-Tazarkini.......................1695/6-1696/7
al-Mubarak al-Dar'i........................1696/7-1696/7
Mohammed al-Sharqi al-Sana'uni............(1 day) 1696/7
'Ali al-Dar'i II...........................1696/7-1697/8
Yahya al-Fishtani..........................1697/8-1697/8
'Abdallah al-Tilimsani.....................1697/8-1697/8
al-Mansur al-Za'ari Sanibar (restored).....1697/8-1699/1700
Hammadi al-Tazarkini (restored).........1699/1700-1700/1
'Abdallah al-Tilimsani (restored)..........1700/1-1700/1
Yusuf al-Dar'i.............................1700/1-1701/2
Mohammed al-Fasi...........................1701/2-1702/3
Ahmad al-Sharqi............................1702/3-1702/3
'Ali al-Dar'i III..........................1702/3-1702/3
Santa'a al-Fasi............................1702/3-1703/4
Mami al-Tazarkini..........................1703/4-1703/4
Mohammed ibn Sa'id.........................1703/4-1703/4
Mohammed al-Sharqi al-Sana'uni (rest.).....1703/4-1704/5
Yahya Fishtani (restored)..................1704/5-1704/5
'Abdallah al-Tilimsani (re-restored).......1704/5-1704/5
Sa'id al-Khabbazi..........................1704/5-1704/5
Mami al-Tazarkini (restored)...............1704/5-1706/7
al-Mubarak al-Gharnati.....................1706/7-1706/7
Nasr al-A'mashi al-Dar'i...................1706/7-1707/8
'Abdallah al-Tilimsani (re-re-restored)....1707/8-1707/8
'Ali al-Munabbih...........................1707/8-1708/9
Mohammed al-Tazarkani I....................1708/9-1708/9
Hammadi Zenko..............................1708/9-1709/10
Yahya Fishtani (re-restored)..............1709/10-1709/10
Yahya al-Dar'i............................1709/10-1710/1
Ba-Bakribn Mohammed Sayyidi................1710/1-1711/2
Yusuf al-Dar'i (restored)..................1711/2-1711/2
'Abd al-Qadir al-Tazarkani.................1711/2-1712/3
'Abdallah al-Tilimsani (re-re-re-rest.)....1712/3-1712/3
'Ali al-Dar'i IV...........................1712/3-1712/3
al-Mansur al-Za'ari Sanibar (re-restored)..1712/3-1713/4
Mami al-Tazarkini (re-restored)............1713/3-1713/4
'Ali al-Munabbih (restored)................1713/3-1713/4
'Abdallah al-'Imrani.......................1713/4-1714/5
'Ammar ibn Sa'ud Bokarna...................1714/5-1714/5
Ba-Haddu al-Dar'i I........................1714/5-1714/5
'Abdallah al-'Imrani (restored)............1714/5-1715
Ba-Haddu al-Dar'i I (restored)....................1715
Mohammed al-Tazarkini II..........................1715
'Ali al-Dar'i IV...........................1715/6-1715/6
'Abdallah al-'Imrani (re-restored).........1715/6-1715/6
al-Mansur al-Za'ari Sanibar (re-re-rest.)..1715/6-1718/9
Ba-Haddu al-Dar'i I (re-restored)..........1718/7-1720/1
'Abd al-Ghaffar al-Tazarkani...............1720/1-1721/2
'Abdallah al-'Imrani (re-re-restored)......1721/2-1725/6
Mahmud Buya................................1725/6-1725/6
'Abd al-Rahman al-Tazarkani................1725/6-1726/7
'Abdallah al-'Imrani (re-re-re-rest.)......1726/7-1726/7
Ba-Haddu al-Dar'i I (re-re-restored).......1726/7-1728/9
Yusuf al-Dar'i (re-restored)...............1728/9-1729/30
'Abdallah al-'Imrani (re-re-re-re-rest.)..1729/30-1731/2
Mohammed Bohhu al-Za'ari...................1731/2-1732/3
al-Hassani al-Tazarkani....................1732/3-1733/4
Mohammed al-Tazarkani III..................1733/4-1734/5
Sa'id al-Tazarkani.........................1734/5-1735/6
Hammadi al-Za'ari..........................1735/6-1736/7
Sa'id al-Tazarkani (restored)..............1736/7-1737/8
Hammadi al-Za'ari (restored)...............1737/8-1737/8
Mohammed al-Tazarkani (restored)...........1737/8-1737/8
al-Fa' Ibrahim al-Dar'i....................1737/8-1738/9
Hammadi al-Dar'i...........................1738/9-1738/9
al-Fa' Ibrahim al-Tazarkani................1738/9-1738/9
Sa'id al-Za'ari............................1738/9-1739/40
Yahya al-Tazarkani........................1739/40-1740/1
Baba-Sayyid Zenko..........................1740/1-1741/2
al-Hassan al-'Amri.........................1741/2-1741/2
Sa'id al-Za'ari (restored).................1741/2-1742/3
Sa'id al-Tazarkani.........................1742/3-1743/4
Sa'id al-Za'ari (re-restored)..............1743/4-1745/6
Baba-Sayyid Zenko (restored)...............1745/6-1746/7
al-Fa' Mahmud al-Shatuki...................1746/7-1748
'Abd al-Ghaffar ibn Usama al-Tazarkani............1748
Ba-Bakr al-Dar'i..................................1748
Sa'id al-Tazarkani (restored)................1748- ?
'Ali al-Dar'i V
'Ali Bokarna
Ba-Haddu al-Dar'i II
Baba-'Ali al-Tazarkini........................ ? -1787
To the Tuareg.....................................1787-1826
 
Originally posted by Hannibal Barca
Songhai
http://www.conch-republic.com/~rob/lords1/songhai.html
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Are you sure about this? It seems like it some sort of game rather than a history-site. On the page they say that the african coutry of Songhai was invaded by the Aztecs(!). One can also find a 'historic'-map that shows that The Swedo-Russian Empire own most of scandinavia and Russia in 1666. At the same time 'The Danish Empire' owns Central Europe from The Baltic to the Med....
 
Songhai was a complet mystery to me until i went looking for it, here below is what i used, i did find a site that teaches songhai history but it had no useful online info, this site contains more info than the others i looked through, and it pointed out where geographicly i needed to go and find their rulers. But your right about it being a game site not a history site.

http://www.crystalinks.com/ancient.html
http://web.raex.com/~obsidian/regindex.html
http://www.friesian.com/philhist.htm

Hannibal
 
Re: Re: Status

Originally posted by BiB


What will be done with Flanders for monarchs as there really weren't any ? A council ?
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Do you know a prominent family from Flanders, the Counts of Brügge, or something that would have been a likely dynasty for a free Flanders. This is the approach we take with countries that never existed. Make the dynasties plausible, thus basing it on a likely family. hopefully though not Mainline Habsburg (too boring they already own most provinces on the map).

When come to Eire (Ireland) I choose to use the Tyrone family all the way to Hugh O'Neill and then I changed to the next active and powerful family.:)

/Greven
 
Re: Re: Re: Status

Originally posted by Greven


Do you know a prominent family from Flanders, the Counts of Brügge, or something that would have been a likely dynasty for a free Flanders. This is the approach we take with countries that never existed. Make the dynasties plausible, thus basing it on a likely family. hopefully though not Mainline Habsburg (too boring they already own most provinces on the map).

When come to Eire (Ireland) I choose to use the Tyrone family all the way to Hugh O'Neill and then I changed to the next active and powerful family.:)

/Greven
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A commercial republic idea like the Netherlands were, seems more plausible to me. Though the Oranje's were quite influential (and then again not at other times, let alone there always being one) at times in the North, de Staten-Generaal should be the actual "monarchs". It was a Republic. I always found the monarch file of the EU1 Holland quite weird, switching from the Oranje's to the Raadspensionaris of Holland like Oldenbarnenvelt to the Staten-Generaal themselves and back again.

If Flanders were to break free, I'd see them go the same way. Esp as the people's power in Flanders was limited to the cities only. The nobility and church did not even have a vote in the representative organ of Flanders, de Staten van Vlaanderen, just the cities of Brugge (u can lose the "¨" btw :), sounds so German or is it like that in Swedish too ?), Gent, Ieper en het Brugse vrije, quite unlike the same representative organs in other places. Those cities were called de "Leden van Vlaanderen" (which I'd use as monarch council).

A highly urbanised, commercial area with the cities having the power. Quite unlike Ireland I would guess, quite unique really. More geared towards a commercial Republic than Holland was initially even.

Though obviously some noblemen were very influential, either siding with the count or with the cities or as governor and if u want I can dig a few up (like there were then again very influential city councillors), but I have to argue in favour of this commercial republic idea :D

Come to think of it, this seems most plausible when breaking free. However, I have to admit, that when, as shown on the screenshot, set free by the monarch (say the duke of Burgundy) I can imagine a nobleman being put in place.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Status

Originally posted by BiB


A commercial republic idea like the Netherlands were, seems more plausible to me. Though the Oranje's were quite influential (and then again not at other times, let alone there always being one) at times in the North, de Staten-Generaal should be the actual "monarchs". It was a Republic. I always found the monarch file of the EU1 Holland quite weird, switching from the Oranje's to the Raadspensionaris of Holland like Oldenbarnenvelt to the Staten-Generaal themselves and back again.

If Flanders were to break free, I'd see them go the same way. Esp as the people's power in Flanders was limited to the cities only. The nobility and church did not even have a vote in the representative organ of Flanders, de Staten van Vlaanderen, just the cities of Brugge (u can lose the "¨" btw :), sounds so German or is it like that in Swedish too ?), Gent, Ieper en het Brugse vrije, quite unlike the same representative organs in other places. Those cities were called de "Leden van Vlaanderen" (which I'd use as monarch council).

A highly urbanised, commercial area with the cities having the power. Quite unlike Ireland I would guess, quite unique really. More geared towards a commercial Republic than Holland was initially even.

Though obviously some noblemen were very influential, either siding with the count or with the cities or as governor and if u want I can dig a few up (like there were then again very influential city councillors), but I have to argue in favour of this commercial republic idea :D

Come to think of it, this seems most plausible when breaking free. However, I have to admit, that when, as shown on the screenshot, set free by the monarch (say the duke of Burgundy) I can imagine a nobleman being put in place.
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I think you are right... We could do it the republican way.:)
It is a pity though to have one monarch from revolt to 1820. Lets do like this... Could you dig up one line with monarchs based on 'counts' and one based on say some of the more important majors of different powerful cities. Then we can can let the players chose by making it event-driven. Either by making three or four historical 'forks' or at start chosing either republic or monarchy. :) More work for both of us, but more fun in the end...:D

/Greven
 
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