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So from the Steam description its confirmed only the Mongols will receive flavor :
Mongolian Flavor
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Dive deep into the traditions and culture of the Mongols. Begin your journey with a new Bookmark as Temüjin, the young and ambitious Genghis Khan, poised to change history forever. Experience the Kurultai council and a new Mongolian succession type. Engage in immersive new activities and traditions such as new year’s celebrations with Tsagaan Sar.
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Well this is disappointing.
 
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Of course turks won't get flavor, they're one of the most influential nomadic groups in Asia and anatolia but they won't get any flavor because mongols are huge in pop history that everyone knows, nuance in your nomad dlc? Nope, you get hype and aura moments instead.

Won't be surprised if the seljuk turks in 1178 have legitimately no overhauls and a part of me thinks they won't even be effected by the dlc.
 
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peteoj said:
Of course turks won't get flavor, they're one of the most influential nomadic groups in Asia and and anatolia but they won't get any flavor because mongols are huge in pop history that everyone knows, nuance in your nomad dlc? Nope, you get hype and aura moments instead.

Won't be surprised if the seljuk turks in 1178 have legitimately no overhauls and a part of me thinks they won't even be effected by the dlc.
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I mean they didnt get anything in Legacy of Persia,so I dont expect them to get anything here too.
 
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If there's no Turkish flavor in the pack, then I hope it gets added in one of those post-launch patches that usually drops a short while afterward. That's a pretty optimistic take, admittedly, it'd just be a major strike against the DLC and Paradox's design philosophy in general if they decide that a pack dedicated to nomads shouldn't include some Turkish flavor content.
 
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I just wanna know if the Anatolian turks (who were semi nomadic) and the Iranian turks (who were also semi nomadic) will be reflected correctly. Their central "governments" were located in capitals in Konya, insfahan and merv but a majority of the turks in the region remained nomadic. If not then I'll know if I should but the dlc or not.
 
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peteoj said:
I just wanna know if the Anatolian turks (who were semi nomadic) and the Iranian turks (who were also semi nomadic) will be reflected correctly. Their central "governments" were located in capitals in Konya but a majority of the turks in the region remained nomadic. If not then I'll know if I should but the dlc or not.
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I have the steam link above,seem not.
 
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Ironically, in the announcement, they declared that they would avoid the Eurocentric view of the East and use objective images. Funny enough, selective history, so to speak
 
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n0madd said:
It's not clear since the titles they had were Turkic in origin. Still, Avars do not have a unified version among historians, unlike Xiognu/Huns, who have significantly more support for Turkic ancestry. If Avars were Turkic, then it gives even more reason to focus on Turks rather than Mongols pre-1200.
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I'm not the most knowledgable on the Turks and history of the nomads, but from a time-sequence perspective, shouldn't it be that the Turks and Turkic peoples have Xiongnu ancestry and not the other way around? I mean we have records about the Xiongnu having a state six hundred years before we have records about the Turks getting one.
 
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Arcvalons said:
The game devs prioritize dynamic scenarios over railroading, and as it is, turks already flood Persia in the 867 bookmark thanks to the "sponsor incursion" mechanic, to the point that it's super common for 60% or more of Persia be ruled by Turks.
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Sounds like a useful thing to rework for the Turkic invasion of Anatolia during the Doukas-Diogenes civil war after the Battle of Manzikert.
 
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I feel like seeing the big ass Khazar, Cumania, Pecheng etc. Hordes on the steppe and deciding the focus should be purely on the Mongols is a bit absurd. Like obviously the Mongols are important and I'd love to see them but I feel like at the very least the steppe turkic people should have been considered when making this dlc.

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Sounds like a useful thing to rework for the Turkic invasion of Anatolia during the Doukas-Diogenes civil war after the Battle of Manzikert.
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Seljuk-Byzantine war is so weird currently. The Byzantines lose just a bit of territory in the east at best, there's no incursion into and loss of eastern/Central Anatolia at all. Frankly I'm a bit surprised this was not raised as a bigger issue when RtP was in dev.
 
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AHumpierRogue said:
Seljuk-Byzantine war is so weird currently. The Byzantines lose just a bit of territory in the east at best, there's no incursion into and loss of eastern/Central Anatolia at all. Frankly I'm a bit surprised this was not raised as a bigger issue when RtP was in dev.
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Why would it be an issue? Byzantines are never supposed to lose you know :p
 
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AHumpierRogue said:
I feel like seeing the big ass Khazar, Cumania, Pecheng etc. Hordes on the steppe and deciding the focus should be purely on the Mongols is a bit absurd. Like obviously the Mongols are important and I'd love to see them but I feel like at the very least the steppe turkic people should have been considered when making this dlc.


Seljuk-Byzantine war is so weird currently. The Byzantines lose just a bit of territory in the east at best, there's no incursion into and loss of eastern/Central Anatolia at all. Frankly I'm a bit surprised this was not raised as a bigger issue when RtP was in dev.
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It's such an odd thing to focus on, you're making a big nomadic dlc and your sole focus is the mongol empire? Especially with china coming in and Byzantium being the focus of last year?

The seljuks in 1178 are so hilariously bad right now, they're so weak because they use the clan government and are the minority culture and religion in Anatolia so you end up seeing them quickly collapse to either civil war or successful peasant revolts. Not to even mention the absurd conquer all de jure land cassus belli you have that can kick the turks out of anatolia in one war.

Then the fact that you can literally have your strategoses bordering the turks just blob into anatolia because of how weak the turks are. They need serious uplifts, something I expected from the big nomad dlc but apparently not, pop history is more important than shinning a light on the other important turkic peoples in the region and tune period I guess.
 
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PDX-Trinexx said:
As far as I'm aware it's not in the original scope. No reason that you should stop saying you want it added if you want it added, though. Every bit of feedback is weighed and considered, after all.
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I realize there's a lot to do for the next DLC, but it would be a great nod to the Turkic nomadic culture by taking an existing domain like the Khazars from the beginning years of CK3 and incorporating a flavor pack for them. I should only assume more attention will follow for other nomadic Turkic cultures, but having a flavor pack at the outset for a majority nomadic culture would speak volumes.
 
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Lazarenko said:
I realize there's a lot to do for the next DLC, but it would be a great nod to the Turkic nomadic culture by taking an existing domain like the Khazars from the beginning years of CK3 and incorporating a flavor pack for them. I should only assume more attention will follow for other nomadic Turkic cultures, but having a flavor pack at the outset for a majority nomadic culture would speak volumes.
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Its not just the Khazars,its the Oghuz,the Karakhanids,the Pechenegs,the Cumans,the Kara-Khitai too.And should a flavor pack come right after(which from my point wouldnt make a good impression) should come with a heavy discount for "Rulers of the steppe" owners.
 
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