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Ah, here I was thinking that you were desiring an entire new world map centered on the Island of Sodor with some bits of Cumbria and Lancashire, and of course the Isle of Man, on the edges, and then having either a civil war on Sodor itself or a heroic defense of the island against the diesels of the Other Railway.
You do not lack for ambition but I fear you may be destined for disappointment.

Then again, I could do an excruciatingly detailed northern history campaign from 789AD CKII all the way through whatever games. Unfortunate I've already used up my good Lancashire aar name, and I don't really want to sully myself with Yorkshire.
 
Unfortunately, Helsinki is presently ruled by axis fascists, and half a Finland away from where the frontlines currently are.

It is probably the one that is best in keeping with the spirit of the game, but I don't think even I can come up with a reason as to why the Allies would schedule a meeting there.

Mussolini might, just to take the piss (after all, we took down all our axis targets in record time) but it probably wouldn't come to much.

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Hmm. What about Jamaica? It's of extremely dubious sovereignty, but somewhere between US and UK control, nice, warm, a small island and (this is key) really far away from China.

Oh, I thought this was a meeting for the near future when the Axis had fallen.

Jamaica? Well did ya?

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How about a Stockholm Syndrome then?

Or Malta? Probably nominally British, but definitely deep in the Roman sphere of interest/control. (Also rhymes with Jalta).
 
Eh, story of my life.
Quite.
Oh, I thought this was a meeting for the near future when the Axis had fallen.
The Finnish are fighting really well and the British are being really lazy. Unless we want to sit on our hands for a few more months (potentially), we should probably figure out what to do in Asia now.
Jamaica? Well did ya?
Never been, and holds imperial interest (beyond wondering what will eventually become of it).
How about a Stockholm Syndrome then?
The only real natural country in Europe left (I think? Pretty sure) so certainly a possibility. Also would allow Churchill to have another go at trying to secure them for the allies (which presumably they will after Finland falls and they are compeltly surrounded by British allies).

The Empire probably wouldn't mind either, given that it would allow us to try and start good realtions with Sweden (and on the way stop to bask in the admiration of Denmark once again).

So maybe.
Or Malta? Probably nominally British, but definitely deep in the Roman sphere of interest/control. (Also rhymes with Jalta).
Probably not, because we actually really want that island but the populace are supremely pro British.

I suspect that even should we win a war against the british, Gibraltar and Malta would prefer to stay with them. Cyprus probably won't mind, and Egypt will not be given a choice (not that they would want to stay).

Stockholm makes a lot of sense, though loses points for no political contention at all, and not being a small island.
 
Probably not, because we actually really want that island but the populace are supremely pro British.

I suspect that even should we win a war against the british, Gibraltar and Malta would prefer to stay with them. Cyprus probably won't mind, and Egypt will not be given a choice (not that they would want to stay).

Stockholm makes a lot of sense, though loses points for no political contention at all, and not being a small island.
Well, there's nothing wrong with a non-neutral turf. The Jalta, sorry, (Yalta in English) conference was held in such a place after all.

And what I meant was - it's closer to home for the Romans, and there's not much room for any betraying army. Any honor guard the Romans bring would reasonably match the permanent contingent on Malta.

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Gibraltar is small enough that their will would not matter much. Just relocate them to Bermudas or something.

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Stockholm's Old Town is on a small island, and there's even some nice palaces on even smaller islands in the middle of the city. :D

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(Also - Jamaica is pronounced "Did you make her", which is what my question was about)
 
Well, there's nothing wrong with a non-neutral turf. The Jalta, sorry, (Yalta in English) conference was held in such a place after all.

And what I meant was - it's closer to home for the Romans, and there's not much room for any betraying army. Any honor guard the Romans bring would reasonably match the permanent contingent on Malta.
That's true but it might be seen as the Romans accepting British control over Malta (they've technically both already recognised each others empire up to that poin in the Treaty of Danzig, but we have not given up our claims and presumably the british have not either).
Gibraltar is small enough that their will would not matter much. Just relocate them to Bermudas or something.
The problem is that it is well within the British AI to declare imperial federation (or, as they are democratic at the moment, a unified commonwealth of nations). Gibraltar and Malta would probably become counties of England under such a model, meaning that any settlement means the british not only giving away a fair and equal member of the commonwealth away but an integral part of England.

I suspect, given the relative strength and unity within the empires, that any war between the british and roman empires will be essentially a colonial war. We'd fight in Africa over the remaining colonies and puppet states (maybe I make it as far as South Africa, an actual Commonwealth member), and presumably in Asia (though I have no idea who will own what there...aside from India). There would also be a very brief war in mainland Europe, during which Denmark and Poland would collapse and Scandinavia may or may not be bailed out by the British.

But there wouldn't be much fighting in either empire itself. On the british side, most of it is an ocean away (at least) and Brittania rules the waves. On the Roman side, it would require either forcing their way through Africa, the middle east and anatolia (unlikely) or fighting a unified Europe through ambitious naval assaults (also unlikely).

Or so I hope...

Stockholm's Old Town is on a small island, and there's even some nice palaces on even smaller islands in the middle of the city. :D
Mm. Yes, I think we might go there.
 
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Egypt will not be given a choice (not that they would want to stay).
I think having witnessed the horrors of Italian Libya under Mussolini from close range most Egyptians would be desperate for anything but being run by Italy. Sure independence is first choice, but at times Italian Libya made the Belgian Congo seem like a paradise.
 
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Not if they forget to bring the honor guard back to the mainland :D
Anything is possible...
I think having witnessed the horrors of Italian Libya under Mussolini from close range most Egyptians would be desperate for anything but being run by Italy. Sure independence is first choice, but at times Italian Libya made the Belgian Congo seem like a paradise.
Ah but this isn't Italian Rule but roman. Which apparently means Egypt is a core and vital part of the empire and thus will be treated as such.

In game, I've actually had some problems with some puppets wanting to be annexed because we've treated them so well and built up their infrastructure so much.

Everyone is desperate to get into the empire. Apparently.
 
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Having finally decided both to have a conference, and where it should be, the Big Three now actually have to decide what to actually do. Hopefully this will be much faster and simpler than the above.

I have given the british an extra week to see if they can take down Finland and no dice. But it seems they were distracted by shenanigans in another part of Europe.

The US has also finally done something on the world stage, which is nice to see.
 
Chapter 27: Next Year in Helsinki!
4th September 1941
“Friends, Romans, Countrymen! My People.

Five years it’s been, since the formation of our Empire. Since the long dream of Classical and Enlightened Peoples for millennia has been met. Since Europe, and her peoples, and Asia Minor and her peoples, have met under one banner, in the name of peace and prosperity for all.

Five years…and what a time it has been. In 1936, fear and terror reigned across the world. Seven Great Powers ruled a fractured and divided world, still in recovery from the American Market Crash. Europe, the centre of good rule of civilization for many centuries, was in chaos as brutal and inept leaders kept their people repressed and poor. So-called democratic shepherds left their nations weak and vulnerable, bleating feebly at the hungry wolves of Nazism and Communism.

Who could have foreseen that in less than have a decade hence, the continent would be at peace? And not simply a peace with honour, but of restoration to greatness? The Empire hath cometh, and the Empire hath giveth. Lives torn apart by war and want have been rebuilt. Countries so similar and yet divided by selfish, prideful leaders, have united. We now all stand shoulder to shoulder, atop the sphere of the world, as the greatest nation to ever exist!

And yet, we have been humble in our success. And we have been charitable in our good fortune. As Denmark, as Germany, as Russia, as the whole of the now freed and prosperous nations of north and eastern Europe can attest! We are liberators as well as unifiers. We come not to oppress but to build. Our brothers and sisters in bondage in Africa were freed from their colonial masters, free to find their own path and follow their own destinies.

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But let us not forget our own people in North Africa, who are just as great a part of this Empire as we. The plight of the Egyptian nation is a great sorrow to us all, and one day shall be reckoned with, as the French Imperialists were reckoned with!

However, unlike the False French Pretenders who continue to sit upon a pitiful mess of imprisoned nations, the true French people stand with us as one. And, unlike other foolish would-be world conquerors like Stalin and Hitler, the current British Prime Minister is a reasonable and honourable man with whom the Empire can do business. I hope, as many patriots do, that one day the flag of Rome shall fly high and true across all our rightful territory: in Malta, across Suez and Gibraltar. But I also believe that such things can be brought about with time, patience and diplomacy.

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South America is (sensibly) staying well out of this game.

Like many the world over, I respect the British and their own empire. Like many, they respect and admire our achievements. This week, our governments meet once again, in friendship and in trust, to continue to process of bringing peace to the world over. We also welcome those United States, formerly of course of said empire. A reminder that old adversaries can become friends.

Stockholm, Sweden, where the summit shall take place, has been spared many of the horrors of this century. Even as war continues to envelope the last Axis member, despite the efforts of the British Army, Sweden stands strong and independent. We respect and admire this stance, and uphold the right for all neutral countries to remain as such. May there come a time when all nations of the world fear no attack or betrayal, and stand united together, with our combined strength.

I leave you now, with a message of hope. Our wars are as of now over. Our enemies defeated. Our lands and homes, safe. New friends, and old, remain. We now seek to rebuild, and transform, what was once war-torn into a better world. The Golden Age of the Empire begins now.”

The Emperor sat back from the radio and drank quickly from his water.

“Alright lads, let’s go see what Churchill has to say for himself.”
The Stockholm Conference concerning Asian Affairs – 17th September 1941

“Remind me Augustus, what was it Winston said to us in Danzig?”

“We shall of course hold the next gathering in Helsinki to celebrate and demonstrate the final fall of Nazism and the Axis Powers to the world.”

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“Hmm. Funny that.”

“Oh, shut up,” Churchill said, storming into the room and pouring himself a triple scotch.

“Bad day at the office, dear?”

“Delightful,” the PM replied sourly.

“Ah yes, I hear there is some trouble in Paradise.”

“Oh yes! Remember what he said about Iceland and his expertise of-”

“We have had a difference of opinion,” the PM said. “It shall soon be ironed out. I’m sure.”

“At least it convinced the Danish to go back into the Allies,” the Emperor mused. “Maybe they can help you with Finland.”

“No need old boy, I’ve got the Marines on route to go rescue the British,” FDR assured him.

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It's the Americans!
“Oh, that’s delightful. You must be very pleased Winston.”

“Delighted,” the man said again, downing his glass in one. “The press will love it even more.”

“Anyway, on to business,” the Emperor said, “I understand the United States are at war with Japan, but the Allies as a whole are not. So, I understand why he’s here,” pointing at Churchill, “but why me? What have the Romans got to do with this?”

“Good question,” the PM said under his breath. “I also question the inclusion of the Empire, though of course I respect your right to be consulted on such important issues.”

“How gracious of you.”

“Gentlemen! The Pacific is in chaos, the continent is in chaos and the Allies as a whole are soon to be engulfed by it, whether you care to admit it or not Winston. And if you think the Japanese, who have already declared war on the Soviet Union, will not invade a weakened Russian Empire, you are foolish indeed.”

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“Bah,” the Emperor said. “It would be simplicity itself to have a border guard along our…regional partners to ensure no Chinese or Japanese army wanders over the border. And as loath as I am to have troops in Siberia, it would be no real trouble to host one there just to ensure no army could successfully invade. The Roman Empire has no interest in the Pacific or Asia. We made this clear to the world when we sold that port back to China. It is perfectly within the rights of those countries to make war with each other, and I see no reason to wade in to protect British and American interests.”

“I agree with Mussolini. They have no business or interest in Southern Asia and that suits my government fine. Yes, the war is coming to us all in the Allies but we must finish our business in Europe first. Our nations, though strong, have no thirst for constant warfare…unlike some.”

“But you are prepared to fight when the time comes?” the President pressed.

“Of course. The Indian Army stands ready at the border, the fleets are being sent eastwards, and we can send more once Finland is subdued…and more if certain other powers respect our waters.”

The Emperor rolled his eyes. “We only claim our own waters, which for your purposes include the Atlantic coast and basically the entire Mediterranean. But no, as we have already agreed multiple times already, we have both signed that we respect each other’s waters, allow free passage for warships and civilian vessels…we have not even attempted to make life difficult for you at Suez or Gibraltar and we certainly could.”

“Yes, we noticed as much in your last speech.”

“Gentlemen, please! We must make a unified front against the Japanese.”

“I will remind you, Franklin, that I have an entire continent to rebuild. The Nazis and Communists have utterly ruined and depopulated large parts of Eastern Europe and Russia. Germany alone has lost millions of people, and they were one of the chief instigators of the whole affair! The Empire is sinking billions into the restoration and revitalisation of many dozens of countries, including our own. Put frankly, we do not care what happens in Asia, we have no concern in Asia, and we are not willing nor able to contribute to yet another gigantic war. Especially one that poses no benefit to us. And I imagine the British have the same problem in Poland, and will have similar problems in Finland and Denmark.”

“What if Russia is attacked?”

“Then we will respond. But I tell you this now gentlemen so there is no mistake. If we do go to war in Asia, we will go to war with Asia. We will tear down and destroy every damn warlord and army in the place, and enforce strict and harsh reparations for our time, blood and money. We are not attack dogs that the British can sic on their problems for free. If we enter the war, expect us to lead it, win it, and gain the vast amount of reward from it.”

The other two men were quiet after that announcement.

“What would it cost?” Churchill asked.

“Excuse me?”

“For your army. What would you want, to go to war and sort all this out?”

“I assume your own personal interests are off-limits?”

“Hong Kong, Singapore and the Raj are. Otherwise…let me hear it.”

“…we would demand any and all land Mongolia and Russia lay claim to, for their own. The dismantlement of the Japanese Empire. Japan and Korea as puppet states paying reparations to us. China to be separated into manageable chunks and also paying reparations, for a while at least. The French Rebellion do not get their colonies back. They can go fuck themselves. And just in general demilitarisation, a removal of Japanese influence or involvement on the mainland, and no other empires or other entities moving in to replace them.”

FDR was noting the demands down. “What happens to French Indochina?”

“Hmm. Perhaps you might serve as its protector as it becomes independent? I do not, respectively, trust the British to not turn it into another colony or give it back to the French Rebellion.”

“And in return?” Churchill prompted.

“The Empire would invade through Mongolia and Russia. We would sweep the continent clean of armies, rebels, malcontents, etc. etc. We would expect at least some support from British India, and the Americans to fight the Japanese in the Pacific, for we cannot.”

“And in the long run?”

“China will be allowed to reform, provided it can do so stably. We reserve the right to enforce a demilitarised zone between them and Russia. Japan may go free after reparations are ended, and the same with Korea. They would not be allowed to reunite nor return to the mainland. The actual pacific empire of Japan will probably be decolonised and let free. We have, as I repeatedly say, little interest other than security in the whole region. Should one of you be willing to take over the expense of running and rebuilding the place, you may, provided our reparation payments keep coming.”

“And this you will do, if Russia is attacked.”

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“Yes, otherwise we leave it to you, and will support any measures you make in that part of the world, provided it does not threaten Russia.”

The three leaders sat in silence for a while, before all quietly agreeing to speak on it further at a later date, and taking their leave.

“Alan, could you pen a note? I’d like to have a word with Lord Mountbatten…”
 
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The Allies came to play!
Ikr?

The problem is that the Romans really shouldn't be going into Asia. The only ones stupid enough to attack them are Japan, and we can easily fend them off at the Russian border.

But we can't let the allies take all of Asia for themselves. They'd drown us in troops (and give the US far too many bases on the mainland rather than having to naval AI them to places).

But we also can't say that we're certainly going in, and for that reason. Not to their faces anyway. So we're trying to see what they'll bribe us with to do it.

As for gameplay, we'd probably crush each individual country (except maybe Japan) so we fight them all together or not at all, for challenge sake. And because I don't want anything left to chance in Asia. I want them down, on my side or at least very weak and certainly in the allied sphere. I want to reduce the Asian front against the allies (so far as possible) to India.

I was also surprised the US actually invaded Finland. To do that, they had to detach a Pacific fleet, go through the Panama canal, pick up an army, sail all the way across rhe Atlantic, sail all the way through the baltic and land near Helsinki (funnily enough) without anything going wrong (or as it happens, Italian naval intelligence noticing).
 
A land war in Asia? :eek: Inconceivable!:D
 
I don't know HOI4's supply mechanics at all, but would Russia be supplying your troops in China? It would be absolutely ridiculous for them to come all the way from Rome, and there's no way that invasion would work well.
 
I don't know HOI4's supply mechanics at all, but would Russia be supplying your troops in China? It would be absolutely ridiculous for them to come all the way from Rome, and there's no way that invasion would work well.
All our supplies would be sourced from the trans-siberian railway, yeah. Which is another reason why I do not want to leave Russia and descend into the complete barren wasteland that is China (by this point in time).

The Japanese occupied areas, perhaps, have repaired the infrastructure a bit, but I imagine (I know from the huge Causalty reports) that no one is being supplied or fed in that region.

But our whole army is mechanised now, so provided that I can source the fuel (which I can because...Well, we own something approaching a majority of the earth's supply), we should be alright.

Of course, this all requires siberian railway to be fixed and fully operational in time (we have a...very useful agent working very hard at it). But yes, if we go into the Chinese interior and get stuck, we're fucked. That's why I want the British fighting up from India and and Amercians off the coast.

Pretty much everyone who is going to enter this war is going to get bodied by attrition, rather than the actual enemy (who will still be pretty threatening too). I'm actually a little worried that the British will take the opportunity to bleed India dry, let it go free and then effortlessly conquer it back as a puppet state.

Sounds ambitious for the AI, I know, but Imperial Federation doesn't usually extend to India unless you've buttered them up real good (and I can't see Churchill doing that). So the Raj will leave, and oh look, the UK will have a claim on it still...

Hmm.
 
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I'm actually a little worried that the British will take the opportunity to bleed India dry, let it go free and then effortlessly conquer it back as a puppet state.

Sounds ambitious for the AI, I know, but Imperial Federation doesn't usually extend to India unless you've buttered them up real good (and I can't see Churchill doing that). So the Raj will leave, and oh look, the UK will have a claim on it still...
That would make the Norwegian landing-from-behind masterpiece look like a finger-painting. If that happens, I think it’s time to start running a Turing test on the British AI on your particular copy of HoI.
 
I remain impressed that no-one has punched Mussolini in the face yet. Because dear lord he is getting annoying and really deserves it. He's also quite weedy and frankly I'd back even FDR in a fight with him. Churchill, with his bricklaying arms, would utterly muller him, particularly if he'd had a couple of drinks first.

In a better universe that wuld be the end of the AAR, a literal super-power punchup (ala the Two Tribes video) that ends with Mussolini flat on his back and defeated, his dreams shattered around him.
 
That would make the Norwegian landing-from-behind masterpiece look like a finger-painting. If that happens, I think it’s time to start running a Turing test on the British AI on your particular copy of HoI.
I brought it up because it would probably happen entirely by accident. The only british armies in the area (not naval or air) will be the Indian divisions, cast from their pops. The war will be incredibly hard on them, since they'll be fighting through the jungle against all comers. And imperial federation is coming up (possibly. Churchill has picked the right areas of the tree to go down at least) and India doesn't normally go for it.

So accidentally on purpose, the AI will have substantially weakened India, got it independent, and still have a claim on it afterwards. What it then decides to do with that is...unclear. But the possibility is there.
I remain impressed that no-one has punched Mussolini in the face yet. Because dear lord he is getting annoying and really deserves it. He's also quite weedy and frankly I'd back even FDR in a fight with him. Churchill, with his bricklaying arms, would utterly muller him, particularly if he'd had a couple of drinks first.
At this point, he must be unbearably smug. Moreso than Churchill. He's done everything everyone thought impossible and gotten away with pretty much everything. Why wouldn't he demand the whole of China after all that? Problem is whether the allies would agree to humour him again, and what the end game is going to be like.

This is pretty much the point for all three rulers where it becomes clear the Romans are going to have to be stopped, and there is an inevitable massive war coming.
In a better universe that wuld be the end of the AAR, a literal super-power punchup (ala the Two Tribes video) that ends with Mussolini flat on his back and defeated, his dreams shattered around him.
One potential end for this aar is swords at dawn duel between Churchill and Mussolini. I had De Gaulle down to show up unexpectedly and get everyone killed.
 
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