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Ok so I was curious after the whole Martin Brown thing and had a little look at who was actually running the UK, the Roman Empire etc.

It was rather interesting reading, especially because whoever was behind the HOI2 cabinet choices has clearly been discovered and executed for their crimes. They have since been replaced by someone who can usually at least be bothered to Google stuff.

However, there are enough glaring flaws and issues, especially with descriptions, that I will give a rundown of HOI4 Italy and UK at least. Due to various plans and research, both El Pip and I already know how shit France is. They have to research Gamelin...
 
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Playing catch-up again. BTW, was the Churchill-Cheeseolini match up in London the reference to OTL football it appeared to be? In which case (and the parallels continue) the game should see the final death-match between the two Empires as last men standing, with a narrow and hard fought victory to Cheeseolini’s men after a couple of late stuff-ups but the British AI. :(
“So anyway,” raved Mr Chamberlain as he waved around a sabre and a copy of the King James Bible to a captive audience of MP’s, “I have decided to tie you all up to stop any nonsense at this time. Clearly, old Adolf has taken leave of his senses and is just fooling around. Soon the might of our navy and empire shall convince him to rethink, and we can go back to being the mightiest nation on earth, and also agreeing to everything that he says.”
<facepalms>
I wish to raise morale by performing the entire HMS Pinafore to you all, as re-written by me.
Ah, I think a rendition of Ship of Fools may be in order instead.
Winston S. Churchill rose and pointed his mighty finger at the dishevelled and badly concussed Mr Chamberlain.

“Seize that man, and take him away!”
<marvels at the Elephant in the Cabinet Room.> <then realises one form of madness has been substituted for another>
“About 74 days of your court’s attention. Same as everything else.”
:D 74: The ultimate answer to the question about the meaning of life.
Augustus Cheeseolini was beginning to think he may have underestimated Mr Churchill.
Quite so. But in what way? His efficacy? Madness? Ability to both win and lose heroically? All the above?
 
Playing catch-up again. BTW, was the Churchill-Cheeseolini match up in London the reference to OTL football it appeared to be?
Oh I would be wary of ever thinking I was that clever.
In which case (and the parallels continue) the game should see the final death-match between the two Empires as last men standing, with a narrow and hard fought victory to Cheeseolini’s men after a couple of late stuff-ups but the British AI. :(
Let's just say the game is Churchill's to lose. What with imperial federation, the Anglo franco Union, the commonwealth and all sorts of innate power ups and complete naval dominance...the British have a lot of options with which to kill us.
<facepalms>
Ah, I think a rendition of Ship of Fools may be in order instead
Yes, I think he finally went from suspiciously mad to obviously. The way of all tory PMs (eventually).
<marvels at the Elephant in the Cabinet Room.> <then realises one form of madness has been substituted for another>
Well, switched from OTL madness to HOI4 madness (I.e. the kind that is extremely effective for some reason). Thus, looks much more like common sense.
:D 74: The ultimate answer to the question about the meaning of life.
In this universe, yes.
Quite so. But in what way? His efficacy? Madness? Ability to both win and lose heroically? All the above?
Yes?
 
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Chapter 12: With Friends Like These...
Chapter 12: With Friends Like These…

The great and mighty Roman Emperor, Augustus Cheeseolini, was sleeping peacefully with Mr Snuggly, Mr Snuggles, and Mr Sodomy Donkey (no relation). It was therefore an extremely brave Alan who broke the peace and entered the royal bedchambers/stable.

“Be sure to make your reason especially good Alan,” the Emperor mumbled sleepily. “You know how they get this time of night.”

Alan, eying the two grouchy lions and one sex-crazed donkey carefully, nodded. “Bean-counter said it could not wait.”

“And you believed him?”

“After he pushed me through the door, yes.”

“What is it then?”

Alan paused, and then took out a large file marked TOP SECRET.

“You know how you ordered SIM to find out what the hell was going on in the British government? Well, they’ve reported back, and are a little confused by the results. So, they sent the team they used to check our own government, as a control test.” An even larger file marked DO NOT READ joined the first. “And they have some…concerns.”

“Oh?”

“Yes. Did you know for example that whilst you are head of state and government of this empire, you made the former King of Italy your sole heir?”

“Ah yes, that seemed sensible. Or at least easy. What of it?”

“Well, it just surprised us given that you are not shy about declaring him utterly inept and incapable of ruling, a bore, an idiot, and a disgrace to the Italian people.”

“He is well-loved by the people however.”

“Yes, in Italy. But this is merely the centre of our massive empire now, and almost everyone else regards him as a nonentity, a spineless coward who should have had you shot years ago, or an imbecile who from a position of strength allowed a crazed fascist to take over his country.”

“I can think of no one better to replace me.”

“Hm…that is a little concerning. But far worse is your current second in command and head of the Treasury and Industry.”

“What’s wrong with Luigi Einaudi? He told me he was a captain of industry, and we all know how well we’ve been doing factory-wise since he took over.”

“What’s wrong is that he’s a commited anti-facist, and swore off all contact and relationships with our regime in 1926.”

“Clearly, he has had a change of heart.”

“I admit, he is a supporter of European federalism and a gifted economist, but he has a personal enmity with you and the feeling is, or was, mutual. Indeed, we nearly arrested him in 1936 when he wouldn’t stop editing his paper, which we also suppressed. Given all that, I’m just not sure why none of us even noticed he was always in the room with everyone else, let alone why he carries on working here.”

“Explains why he’s so quiet in meetings, I guess.”

“I suppose? If you’re not going to fire him, or replace the king with a better successor, can we talk about your two other government ministers? I understand why we have Giovanni Marinelli heading the Interior Ministry, though calling him the Prince of Terror is a little on the nose. But why is the Marquess of Revel our Quartermaster General?”

“Well…originally I was going to put him in charge of the Navy, given he’s an admiral apparently. But boats really scare me, and I didn’t want to disappoint him so…”

“I see. Well, our industrial contracts actually make a lot of sense. Fiat making our tanks and cars, CRDA making…or rather not making, our ships. Hmm, it says here that we’ve given all our aircraft licences to Savoia-Marchetti. Should they really be building all our planes, from naval bombers to fighters?”

“Next you’ll be telling me that Beretta aren’t up to the task of making our guns!”

“Ah yes…no, I’m sure they’re very good at making side arms and rifles. Quite why we’ve licenced them to make all our infantry materials however…is that why our helmets look like that?”

“I just thought that if they were that good at shooting things, they’d be great at protecting us from being shot.”

Alan turned the page and looked at the army listings. Discounting the naval and air forces as irrelevant, he honed in on the army chief and high command.

“Um…I think you got some of these names mixed up, mighty Cheesare. It says here Ugo Cavellero is head of the armed forces, whilst Vittorio Ambrosio and Alfredo Guzzoni serve under him.”

“Yes? I wanted my competent generals out in the world leading armies. They both despise Ugo, so he won’t be listened to, and I can keep him here without having to deal with any tears from anyone else.”

Alan sighed and closed the Roman folder. “I suppose this will have to do then. If you think it best, sire.”

“You were saying about the British?” the Emperor said, stretching and yawning.

“Oh yes, we’ve figured out the identity of their Head of Intelligences.”

“Intelligences, plural?”

“Yes, he seems to be in charge of all of them. Bit bewildering, especially when we found out it was Alan Turing, an apparently quite unpleasant and annoying mathematician. No military rank, no particular experience with anything approaching government, management or espionage…he’s very good at crossword puzzles though.”

“Are we sure this isn’t another one of Churchill’s tricks?”

“Seems to be legit, sire. Their High Command in general seems to be a mess. They’ve promoted a colonel to Major-General, a certain Kenneth Anderson. Apparently, he is an infantry specialist. They’ve also dragged an employed officer from Dehli to serve as their logistics wizard, someone called Claude Auchinleck. They also drafted a commodore from the South American Division to represent the Navy, some bloke called Henry Harwood.”

“Why are the British blindly promoting people from across their empire rather than someone in the chain of command in London?”

“We’re not entirely sure, though it could be because everyone in London is tainted by Chamberlain’s government and Churchill is clearing house. By the way, the former head of the British Mediterranean Fleet is the new First Sea Lord. Not sure who they’re sending to replace Dudley Pound yet but we’ll be keeping an eye out. Edmund Ironside is in overall command of the Armed Forces. No idea who he is, other than that he was basically retired in Gibraltar for some time. He’s a defence expert apparently, which should be helpful to the British about now.”

“Who’s in charge at the war office?”

“We’re not entirely sure, but Harold Alexander keeps being called Britain’s ‘military theorist’ and everyone seems to obey his orders so…I guess he is? We aren’t really sure why. Our own War Office is in much safer hands with Graziani in charge.”

“I love his hair.”

“Oh yes, he has really good hair. Most definitely. I think that’s it for now, Mighty Cheesare, if there is nothing else?”

“Have SIM check the rest of the Great Powers over. We may as well know what everyone is doing, and who is running the show, even if it makes little sense as to why.”

“At once, your Imperial Majesty. Goodnight everyone.”
 
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A nice update for the Cheesare, now he can go back to his nap. One has to keep their energy up and get their beauty-rest when "running" an empire.
 
It was therefore an extremely brave Alan who broke the peace and entered the royal bedchambers/stable.
The phrase ‘strange bedfellows’ doesn’t even begin to do justice to this er ... situation. :eek:
“Yes? I wanted my competent generals out in the world leading armies. They both despise Ugo, so he won’t be listened to, and I can keep him here without having to deal with any tears from anyone else.”
This sounded disturbingly logical. Very un-Cheesare-like.
 
The phrase ‘strange bedfellows’ doesn’t even begin to do justice to this er ... situation. :eek:
I'm pretty sure they all just sleep in there and solve jigsaws together. No one actually has sex in HOI4. People just randomly die sometimes. Otherwise people are very...robotic and work 24/7, all year.
This sounded disturbingly logical. Very un-Cheesare-like.
I accidentally posted all the competent military commanders as army leaders by mistake.
 
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I'm pretty sure they all just sleep in there and solve jigsaws together.
I therefore think the Sodomy Donkey should be put up on charges of false and misleading advertising! :D
 
I therefore think the Sodomy Donkey should be put up on charges of false and misleading advertising! :D
Why? It's just his name. Honestly.

Or, perhaps, like every other donkey in the West, he's retired and part of a rescue donkey farm.
 
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I’m very happy to know that the fine tradition of historical rigour in the HOI research department continues untroubled.
 
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A likely story. o_O :D

PS: If guilty, I think a suitable punishment would be for him to be hung. <boom tish :p>
Goodness, you think you know a guy, then they reveal themselves themselves be a raging donkey-ist.

Clearly Mr Sodomy Donkey must return. Maybe I'll have him, Secret and Sir Edwars Bear take on the Australian army and see who wins...
I’m very happy to know that the fine tradition of historical rigour in the HOI research department continues untroubled.
It's much better than it used to be, I think we can all agree. No idea why our captian of industry option is...an anti-fascist economists.

The British on the other hand have some bangers. Aside from Alan Turing, Churchill can call upon Mosley, Orwell, Bevin, and the usual suspects. I'm also starting to think that Neville Chamberlain was only forced out of office because he died. Truly, his cabinet were loyal to the very last.

But otherwise, the british and Italian manufacturers make sense. The armed forces appointments also make some sense...provided that the appointments committee is psychic. Almost no one on that roster is a big deal in 1936 and yet here they all are as if its 1944.

Except Ironside, I guess. But I have no idea why he's an option for overall army command, nor why he's a better choice than most of the others (Flat infantry bonuses are much better generally).

In practice, the head of the army is Graziani as he's field marshal and all my armies are in his group. Can't argue with results, stats and that hair.

Incidentally, Martin Boreman is indeed working in the German Reich's government. And apparently you can appoint Himmler to the front as a general if you want...which may or may not be worse than just keeping him in Berlin.
 
The British on the other hand have some bangers. Aside from Alan Turing, Churchill can call upon Mosley, Orwell, Bevin, and the usual suspects.
Trying to imagine all of these people in the same room, at once, working together. I think my brain lacks the processing power to conceive of it without having a stroke.

But you’re right – I hopped on to have a look after the ‘Martin Brown’ question and it seemed basically ok. The stuff about commanders being less prominent in 36 I know less about bc as we know it’s not my area – but yeah. Basically fine.

The truly egregious thing in Britain ofc is the lack of any party other than Tory in the democratic faction. I know that’s just how the modelling works, but still…
 
Trying to imagine all of these people in the same room, at once, working together. I think my brain lacks the processing power to conceive of it without having a stroke.
Yes, an interesting wheeze. Especially because unlike most other countries you can pick whichever advisors you want with the UK, you don't have to do anything to unlock them. The US on the other extreme end requires a ridiculous number of hoops to jump through to get more than a handful of advisors.
But you’re right – I hopped on to have a look after the ‘Martin Brown’ question and it seemed basically ok. The stuff about commanders being less prominent in 36 I know less about bc as we know it’s not my area – but yeah. Basically fine.
I would be generous and say it makes more sense for a 1939 start but for some of them, it actually makes less sense.
The truly egregious thing in Britain ofc is the lack of any party other than Tory in the democratic faction. I know that’s just how the modelling works, but still…
We can fudge it a bit and say its the national government, which it would be for a 36 or 39 start. But yeah, proudly dexalring it the cons alone (whilst fairly accurate) is a little bizarre. Especially because other parties are included (the fascists and the communists). Then again, the neutral nonaligned party is also basically the Conservative gov again with a national gov twist...so who knows? Non aligned in this game can be anything from super democratic liberal to autocratic religious dictatorship.
 
Chapter 13: Copenhagen Survives! (briefly)
Chapter 13: Copenhagen Survives! (briefly)

5th May 1940

After several weeks of the world watching Germany try and fail to get into Copenhagen, and Denmark hold onto being a war participant by the skin of their teeth, doubts were beginning to be raised about the Nazis ability to wage war.

“I’m beginning to think Norway is going to be a bridge too far for Hitler, not least because they don’t even have a bridge to fail to cross in this case…”

The Imperial War Cabinet nodded sagely at their Leader’s wise advice. Nobody questioned how they had all been standing there immobile for many moons, frozen in time whilst the Emperor waited for the author to get back from Law School.

“Yes, they don’t seem all that competent, these Nazis, do they?” Alan said, as the aides swept more German troops off the map and into the bin. “Makes one wonder whether we really should be contemplating joining them in their war with Russia. I put money on them getting lost or stuck as soon as they get to the old Polish-Soviet border.”

No one took that bet.

“It hardly matters, to be honest,” Bean-Counter sighed. “The Russians still haven’t placed any troops on our mutual borders, instead focusing entirely on Hitler. We could smash straight through into the interior should we wish…it’s just that the Russian interior is fucking horrible. We’d be marching for months to get anywhere. I suppose we can capture the Ukraine oil fields and Crimea, remove one more navy for us to worry about…but we have plenty of oil already. In fact, we’ve got so many resources we’ve begun wasting some trying to split the atom. Whatever that means.”

The Great and Mighty Augustus Cheesare rose from his chair. “I still want our armies on the Soviet borders and shadowing the Nazis if they come near ours. At this stage, we cannot trust either of them not to screw with us for no real reason. After all, that’s how we got our empire.”

“Mighty Cheesare! Mighty Cheesare!” a messenger burst into the room. “Iceland have become a fully independent nation and have invaded Greenland!”

Everyone was silenced by the shocking news.

“Oh, also Denmark capitulated and Copenhagen fell. Apparently, there were nearly a hundred thousand Danish troops inside the city who’ve been suddenly captured, whilst the same number of Germans have been killed in the assault.”

“Bloody hell. How did that even happen?”

“We’re not quite sure, sire. Only that Copenhagen is now mostly a gigantic crater, with an awful lot of red water at the bottom.”



Meanwhile, in London

“…the booby traps worked perfectly, sir. The high explosives and gas obliterated the city and invading armies, whilst the second round of arial bombings finished off the rest. The naval evacuations were completed a few hours earlier, so the only casualties are…well, pretty much the entire Danish Armed Forces. But everyone else is alright.”

Winston Churchill released a deeply held breath.

“God, this war is a horrible business. Any word on the German fleet?”

“Yes sir. They’re beginning their preparations for the Norwegian landings.”

“Is everything in place, as specified?”

“Certainly sir. The Nazis won’t know what hit them.”

Another aide quietly entered the room and whispered briefly to the uniformed officer.

“It seems the Italians have begun to mobilise a new army. Their manpower pools exceed 7 million men by our estimates, so this will be a mighty force indeed, especially if our reports on their desire to mecahnise it all bears out. And Trotsky has survived another assassination attempt from Stalin. It seems the Soviets are attempting to tie up their loose ends before the inevitable hammer falls.”

The Prime Minister nodded, more focused on the map in front of him than the news. Norway was where everything could change. If he could halt the Nazis there, they would not have the strength to fight the Soviets. If they could not fight the Soviets alone, they would bring in the Italians. And if the Italians were brought in, the two fascist nations would inevitably start fighting each other as soon as communism was destroyed.

Churchill puffed his cigar.

And that was the kicker. Italy, or Rome, or whatever they called themselves, could be dealt with. They were insane, but they knew their limits and they did not want a fight with the British. Hitler though…it had been clear for a long time there was no deals to be done with him or his ilk. The Nazis would be defeated, hopefully just after they had helped defeat the soviets. Then with Italy battered but victorious on the continent, and his own nation strong and secure on the seas, they would have words again with this new Cesare.

But for all that, Norway had to go perfectly as planned.
 
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So I'm back writing this and will be upping the editing and presentation quality again with maps and stuff (because the war is about to get a little...complicated). Hopefully I'm going to get this done before the end of August to free up the one year anniversary of CK3 for Ged's ignoble return...
 
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When in doubt, do the very British thing of destroying Copenhagen. I see what you did there Composer!
 
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But for all that, Norway had to go perfectly as planned.
There is tempting fate, then there is running up to fate and hoofing it in the works while screaming "Go on then, do your worst!". I feel Churchill's last line was much more the latter.

In other news, good to see the Danish campaign remains an utter mess. That does seem to be one of the hallmarks of HOI IV.
 
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When in doubt, do the very British thing of destroying Copenhagen. I see what you did there Composer!
Well, when 200k die in a few hours and the city gets obliterated, you have to give some excuse as to what happened.
There is tempting fate, then there is running up to fate and hoofing it in the works while screaming "Go on then, do your worst!". I feel Churchill's last line was much more the latter.
To be fair to Churchill, his whole war plan is slow down Germany enough that when he inevitably fights Russia, he can't win. He is right that eventually, the big three in europe are going to have to fight, and knowing that, we are very likely to help take down the much more threatening Soviets while they are distracted, before cleaning up Hitler. Or attempt that, anyway.

The only thing Churchill loses in this scenario is Denmark, Poland, and maybe Norway. And even then, not forever, because when these places get reclaimed by anyone other than Germany, they get automatically reinstated as full independent democratic states. Because...HOI4 actually believes states who say they are fighting for the 'liberation' of other countries. I guess.

As I doubt the germans can defeat Russia now (or ever could), them invading Norway is rather incidental. Even if they do win flawless victory (which I seriously doubt), stalin is still going to defeat Germany without us bailing them out.
In other news, good to see the Danish campaign remains an utter mess. That does seem to be one of the hallmarks of HOI IV.
I wasn't expecting much differentiation in the western part of the german campaigns. I got worried that their ai was hardcoded to invade France at some point but that doesn't appear to be the case (though they did research invade France at one point).

When it became clear that they were going to invade Poland, Denmark and then Norway, I was expecting usual ish ww2 run-through. Which we got for Poland, even the Soviet split in the east.

But then instead of steamroller Denmark, they retreated everything to the capital, built a huge fortress on top of it, and dug in. The British then gleefully blasted the germans as they slowly wandered up the empty peninsula by sea and air, before doing the same thing for a month in Copenhagen.

The evacuation is of course fluff. Denmark capitulated and did not become a government in exile. Literally the entire country made a last stand there, so the official death toll probably pales in comparison to civilian deaths.
 
Hopefully I'm going to get this done before the end of August to free up the one year anniversary of CK3 for Ged's ignoble return...
Glad to have this back! And don't feel like you have to rush.