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Jarkko Suvinen said:
Italy and England have some business.
Tuscany rebelled against Italy, and England declared war in order to make sure that the Ai didn't screw things up. Italy took all the land as part of their demense. Italy ran them over.
To return the favor, Italy declared war against Scotland when England went to expand their territory north. One thing lead to another, and AI Italy wound up taking part of the Scottish royal demense and causing the collapse of Scotland. So now England is trying to get Italy to sell/trade the Scottish land to the English throne.
Byak, in hindsight, I really should not have done that... I'm very sorry, I was actually just doing it to get money from France, which I desperately needed, and I said I'd threaten excommunication/excommunicate people for money. But again, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have done that.
Now that I've gotten past the German-Polish "parition" of Croatia, time to comment on how bad stuff has gone wrong by the AI.
Lots of cleaning up to do. Torki needs to be rescued. My older sons are both ill, and were given counties that I'll have to revoke. The AI spent some 3000 prestige on worthless claims, and my treasury is empty with little to show for it. Poland assassinated my daughter in-law and stole Croatia, and then Germany began advancing into it. By my mother's grave, the House of Hannus will not give up our hope for the throne of Croatia.
Is the Papal control of Swabia a bug that will be fixed?
Lots of cleaning up to do. Torki needs to be rescued. My older sons are both ill, and were given counties that I'll have to revoke. The AI spent some 3000 prestige on worthless claims, and my treasury is empty with little to show for it. Poland assassinated my daughter in-law and stole Croatia, and then Germany began advancing into it. By my mother's grave, the House of Hannus will not give up our hope for the throne of Croatia.
Is the Papal control of Swabia a bug that will be fixed?
Hyzhenhok said:
No, I don't think it's a bug. The person who was elected Pope inherited it. When I was asking about whether there would be a war between the Church and the Kaiser over Swabia, Byak said that he couldn't afford to. Thus, I believe he feels the inheritance is legitimate.
Solmyr said:New Vermandois genealogy is here (a lot of excommunicating there
http://www.kolumbus.fi/solmyr/CK/verman1.html
You Vermandois sure to love to marry Roses from North Africa....
I think we should try once more to do a collaborative MP AAR on this game, especially since we're all a lot more experienced.
Well, I began to expand into Croatia due to lack of suitable ways to expand elsewhere. I would have suggested Hungary to take the eastern part when you would have been back, but that polish inheritance was quite unexpected.
About that Swabia, I dislike that it happened, but I would not go to war over it with insane Poland and opportunistic France on both sides of me... Not to mention that sieging Rome is very hard thing to do.
One thing we could do is to edit it into an archbishopric and part of Germany, as someone might say Pope owning land here and there is rather silly. If it's edited now, it can be edited later similiarly if it happens to others. If it's not edited now, we won't edit similiar cases later either.
About that Swabia, I dislike that it happened, but I would not go to war over it with insane Poland and opportunistic France on both sides of me... Not to mention that sieging Rome is very hard thing to do.
One thing we could do is to edit it into an archbishopric and part of Germany, as someone might say Pope owning land here and there is rather silly. If it's edited now, it can be edited later similiarly if it happens to others. If it's not edited now, we won't edit similiar cases later either.
How about making it a Papal vassal or an independent archbishopric? It would reflect the Pope gaining power over it and using it to snub the secular kings.
Either way the Pope shouldn't directly own anything beyond Rome...
Either way the Pope shouldn't directly own anything beyond Rome...
Solmyr said:
Papal vassal or independent archbishoprics would go to pope when their archbishop gets elected pope, which likely happens sooner or later. It could be made a secular duchy vassal of Papal State though.
Though I will not accept having no offensive wars in my lifetime, I think we can reach an agreement, my German adversary, what about this proposal? No new claims by Kazimierz III for a certain amount of time?
Byakhiam said:
I'm fine with editing the titles back to Germany too, perhaps at some cost (gold? to bribe the lords to return to Germany's fold)
I support returning the duchy as an Archbishopric to Germany, maybe at the cost of changing Germany's law to Church Supremacy?
Hey guys, I'll try to be there this sunday to play some kingdom in this game, the time is a bit difficult so I might sleep over it but 'll try. Anyhow would you guys maybe give me your ICQ # and stuff ? or add me. My icq is 164526 , good to get more CK contacts anyway to get fun games
but 'll try. Anyhow would you guys maybe give me your ICQ # and stuff ? or add me. My icq is 164526 , good to get more CK contacts anyway to get fun games
I think that the church should keep it as a secular duchy (The Pope wouldn't mind bringing it into his family, but I doubt he would want to disinherit his future decendants/relatives in favor of a future Pope.) I like the idea that the Church can expand, and inheritance seems about the only way that it can any more.
IIRC the current Papal controller is a vassal count in Swabia, another possibility could be to make him the new Duke and the Pope's vassal.
Perhaps the Pope should keep it until he dies, after which the duchy will be passed to whoever would have inherited it after him, instead of the next Pope.