Bah, I don't think I missed it, since now that you mention it, it rings a bell... Move the point to Diplomacy, thanks. (Edited in above post)
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Patrucio said:
Well, I thought that I do the placeholders for those who get titles, unless you have already edited titles and countries files accordingly.
Patrucio said:
Essex and York for you then.
Patrucio said:
I suggest that royal capital duchy (the duchy with the richest province of the two) will get all three duchy type techs and the other duchy will get only normal feudal benefits. Which will be a bit poor thing for you, as your capital would be Essex, which is a one province duchy (has only Essex in it).
EDIT: Other option would be to have all three duchy type techs in both duchies that players get.
Oh yeah Patrucio, when we make these random guys, those who won't have any titles won't have any score entry at all. Those who are dukes will get 100 gold, 100 prestige and 100 piety. Kings get 250 gold, 100 prestige and 100 piety as comparison.
English noblemen:
Royal brothers
Edward Rose, age 28
Oldest of king George's younger brothers, Edward shares George's talent in management, but was sent to tutelage under royal marshal by his father instead. Military life left Edward with a habit of heavy drinking and a dishonest nature. Edward isn't too skilled in war, but is still a decent armsman.
Richard Rose, age 24
A middle brother, who joined Edward in marshal's tutelage. He likes to display his skills with weapons proudly, though he also often admits that he's not that adept at planning. Richard has little taste for women, preferring the company of his fellow armsmen instead.
William Rose, age 20
George's only brother to study under the tutelage of royal steward. Although he is not very talented, his selfish and suspicious nature made him very efficient in finding missing parts of any budget, although some parts of the budget might end up in his own pockets.
Simon Rose, age 16
Youngest brother and the only one to study in monastery. Simon was never at all interested about clerical teachings and he preferred to apply his wisdom to other areas of his personal interest. Many of his clerical colleagues are rather disturbed about his ideas about how heretics and heathens should be treated to put the fear of god into them.
Royal brother-in-laws
Humphrey Mortimer, age 23
Young head of influental Mortimer family, who married the eldest sister of king George. Very talented man, who has served the church as a holy knight in a crusade. Humphrey is a virtuous man who stays out of spirits and often assumes the best of everyone else as well.
Gilbert Howard, age 25
Member of a smaller noble family of Howard, Gilbert is a skilled manager, although his real talent lies in plotting, which he obviously enjoys. Gilbert is a brave man, though he is only rarely enthustiastic about things he isn't that interested in.
Arthur Cornwallis, age 18
Talented member of a local chapter of holy knights, he has very little talent in management and his lazy and selfish nature make him very displeasant conversionalist. He is a young and healthy lad nonetheless and the love story between the knight and the princess is a very popular story.
Reginald Huntington, age 23
Very talented plotter of the important Huntington family. Despite his young age, Reginald is already a veteran of court intrigue, which has left it's marks in his nature that tends to be very suspicious and often his plans show the streak of cruelty. It is at times rumoured behind Reginald's back that he arranged his marriage to king's youngest sister with the aid of some rather unsavory methods.
Royal cousins:
Lionel Bacon, age 16
Most promising product of english monastic schools that lives in England at this age, Lionel is very witful and charismatic man, whose most signficant flaw according to his colleagues is his occasional greed. Lionel is not bothered by the remarks of his peers though, as he forgives slights easily.
Roger Stanley, age 18
Lionel Bacon's most significant rival, who is rumoured to still bear a grudge towards his rival for usurping his place as the most influental priest in England. Roger is a talented man as well and his temperate ways help him to plan his spendings wisely.
John Talbot, age 35
Old bearlike man whose skills lay in diplomacy, although his strength and charisma would do him more good if they would be applied to warfare. John is certain to remember slights for years afterwards, especially if they concern his habit to prefer water over spirits.
Henry Percy, age 28
Obviously the most skilled general in England, Henry is a just leader, although he can be very cruel when his retainers fail him. Henry is the architect of almost every english military success in the past decade.
Edmund Neville, age 19
Young cousin of the less influental Neville family, Edmund is an able armsman, although the soldiers serving under him often complain about his disregard of their wellbeing and also about disallowing of spirits to those he commands.
Michael Berkeley, age 23
Michael is very generous man, often sharing his wealth with the less fortunate without another thought. His impatience shows in his disinterest of intrigues of church politics, although he obviously has talent for it. He is well liked by his parish nonetheless.
Royal brothers
Edward Rose, age 28
Oldest of king George's younger brothers, Edward shares George's talent in management, but was sent to tutelage under royal marshal by his father instead. Military life left Edward with a habit of heavy drinking and a dishonest nature. Edward isn't too skilled in war, but is still a decent armsman.
Richard Rose, age 24
A middle brother, who joined Edward in marshal's tutelage. He likes to display his skills with weapons proudly, though he also often admits that he's not that adept at planning. Richard has little taste for women, preferring the company of his fellow armsmen instead.
William Rose, age 20
George's only brother to study under the tutelage of royal steward. Although he is not very talented, his selfish and suspicious nature made him very efficient in finding missing parts of any budget, although some parts of the budget might end up in his own pockets.
Simon Rose, age 16
Youngest brother and the only one to study in monastery. Simon was never at all interested about clerical teachings and he preferred to apply his wisdom to other areas of his personal interest. Many of his clerical colleagues are rather disturbed about his ideas about how heretics and heathens should be treated to put the fear of god into them.
Royal brother-in-laws
Humphrey Mortimer, age 23
Young head of influental Mortimer family, who married the eldest sister of king George. Very talented man, who has served the church as a holy knight in a crusade. Humphrey is a virtuous man who stays out of spirits and often assumes the best of everyone else as well.
Gilbert Howard, age 25
Member of a smaller noble family of Howard, Gilbert is a skilled manager, although his real talent lies in plotting, which he obviously enjoys. Gilbert is a brave man, though he is only rarely enthustiastic about things he isn't that interested in.
Arthur Cornwallis, age 18
Talented member of a local chapter of holy knights, he has very little talent in management and his lazy and selfish nature make him very displeasant conversionalist. He is a young and healthy lad nonetheless and the love story between the knight and the princess is a very popular story.
Reginald Huntington, age 23
Very talented plotter of the important Huntington family. Despite his young age, Reginald is already a veteran of court intrigue, which has left it's marks in his nature that tends to be very suspicious and often his plans show the streak of cruelty. It is at times rumoured behind Reginald's back that he arranged his marriage to king's youngest sister with the aid of some rather unsavory methods.
Royal cousins:
Lionel Bacon, age 16
Most promising product of english monastic schools that lives in England at this age, Lionel is very witful and charismatic man, whose most signficant flaw according to his colleagues is his occasional greed. Lionel is not bothered by the remarks of his peers though, as he forgives slights easily.
Roger Stanley, age 18
Lionel Bacon's most significant rival, who is rumoured to still bear a grudge towards his rival for usurping his place as the most influental priest in England. Roger is a talented man as well and his temperate ways help him to plan his spendings wisely.
John Talbot, age 35
Old bearlike man whose skills lay in diplomacy, although his strength and charisma would do him more good if they would be applied to warfare. John is certain to remember slights for years afterwards, especially if they concern his habit to prefer water over spirits.
Henry Percy, age 28
Obviously the most skilled general in England, Henry is a just leader, although he can be very cruel when his retainers fail him. Henry is the architect of almost every english military success in the past decade.
Edmund Neville, age 19
Young cousin of the less influental Neville family, Edmund is an able armsman, although the soldiers serving under him often complain about his disregard of their wellbeing and also about disallowing of spirits to those he commands.
Michael Berkeley, age 23
Michael is very generous man, often sharing his wealth with the less fortunate without another thought. His impatience shows in his disinterest of intrigues of church politics, although he obviously has talent for it. He is well liked by his parish nonetheless.
English duchies:
Essex (Essex)
York (Durham, York, Westmorland, Lincoln, Leicester)
Warwick (Hereford, Warwick)
Gloucester (Gloucester, Bristol)
Salisbury (Salisbury, Surrey)
Sussex (Sussex, Kent)
Lancaster (Lancaster, Chester, Derby, Shrewsbury)
Oxford (Oxford, Northhampton)
Norfolk (Norfolk, Bedford, Suffolk)
Cornwall (Somerset, Devon, Exeter, Cornwall)
Hampshire (Hampshire, Dorset)
Essex (Essex)
York (Durham, York, Westmorland, Lincoln, Leicester)
Warwick (Hereford, Warwick)
Gloucester (Gloucester, Bristol)
Salisbury (Salisbury, Surrey)
Sussex (Sussex, Kent)
Lancaster (Lancaster, Chester, Derby, Shrewsbury)
Oxford (Oxford, Northhampton)
Norfolk (Norfolk, Bedford, Suffolk)
Cornwall (Somerset, Devon, Exeter, Cornwall)
Hampshire (Hampshire, Dorset)
The King of France will claim the duchies of Francia and Orleans as his personal demesne.
Charles IV de Vermandois, His Most Christian Majesty, le Roi
Age 24
Military: 1
Diplomacy: 9
Intrigue: 5
Stewardship: 9
Health: 8
Fertility: 8
Traits: Indulgent, Lustful, Fortune Builder
Marguerite Capet, the Queen
Age 16
M 3
D 9
I 4
S 8
H 8
F 8
Traits: Coward, Sceptical, Grey Eminence
The King's brothers: Louis, Philippe
DNAs to follow soon, and will do duchy assignments when I get my dukes listed.
Charles de Vermandois is the son of Herbert, former count of Vermandois and a direct descendant of the great Charlemagne. The Vermandois were always quite aware of their illustrious ancestry and resented what they considered an usurpation by the Capets. Herbert, however, did more to address the matter than his predecessors. He negotiated a prestigious marriage between his eldest son Charles and Marguerite, daughter of the Capetian King Henri. The two dynasties were thus united, and Charles soon inherited Vermandois upon his father's death.
Recently, young Philippe Capet caught pneumonia on a visit to Normandy, and died soon without issue. His brother Hugues claimed the throne, but his sister Marguerite, Charles' wife, acted quickly to persuade the Dukes to her side. Hugues' claims were sidelined and Charles de Vermandois inherited France in rights of his wife. Hugues Capet was shut into the deepest dungeon in Paris.
Charles IV is an able administrator and diplomat, well-able to keep his kingdom profitable and tranquil. He is, however, given to an indulgent life and enjoys throwing parties and holding festivals in Paris. Though he oozes devotion on the surface and avoids directly offending the Church, such piety is superficial at best, for Charles is devoted first to Charles and second to anything else. He does like to use bishops and archbishops to administer parts of his kingdom as pawns, finding them easier to keep under control than feudal dukes with delusions of grandeur. There are also persistent rumors of Queen Marguerite's sympathies for the Cathars in southern France, but Charles ignores it and nobody has dared to brook the subject directly.
Charles IV de Vermandois, His Most Christian Majesty, le Roi
Age 24
Military: 1
Diplomacy: 9
Intrigue: 5
Stewardship: 9
Health: 8
Fertility: 8
Traits: Indulgent, Lustful, Fortune Builder
Marguerite Capet, the Queen
Age 16
M 3
D 9
I 4
S 8
H 8
F 8
Traits: Coward, Sceptical, Grey Eminence
The King's brothers: Louis, Philippe
DNAs to follow soon, and will do duchy assignments when I get my dukes listed.
Charles de Vermandois is the son of Herbert, former count of Vermandois and a direct descendant of the great Charlemagne. The Vermandois were always quite aware of their illustrious ancestry and resented what they considered an usurpation by the Capets. Herbert, however, did more to address the matter than his predecessors. He negotiated a prestigious marriage between his eldest son Charles and Marguerite, daughter of the Capetian King Henri. The two dynasties were thus united, and Charles soon inherited Vermandois upon his father's death.
Recently, young Philippe Capet caught pneumonia on a visit to Normandy, and died soon without issue. His brother Hugues claimed the throne, but his sister Marguerite, Charles' wife, acted quickly to persuade the Dukes to her side. Hugues' claims were sidelined and Charles de Vermandois inherited France in rights of his wife. Hugues Capet was shut into the deepest dungeon in Paris.
Charles IV is an able administrator and diplomat, well-able to keep his kingdom profitable and tranquil. He is, however, given to an indulgent life and enjoys throwing parties and holding festivals in Paris. Though he oozes devotion on the surface and avoids directly offending the Church, such piety is superficial at best, for Charles is devoted first to Charles and second to anything else. He does like to use bishops and archbishops to administer parts of his kingdom as pawns, finding them easier to keep under control than feudal dukes with delusions of grandeur. There are also persistent rumors of Queen Marguerite's sympathies for the Cathars in southern France, but Charles ignores it and nobody has dared to brook the subject directly.
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Very good, Solmyr. Though itty-bitty thingies:
- Must have 4 years between brothers, so 26-year old can have only 2 brothers, should be at least 28 for 3 brothers
- Characters can have only 2 personality traits, unless you take some trait that allows to take additional traits (some madness / sickness or level 1 education)
Also, if you want you can post DNAs for your characters, if not I'll use my imagination with DNA-maker.
- Must have 4 years between brothers, so 26-year old can have only 2 brothers, should be at least 28 for 3 brothers
- Characters can have only 2 personality traits, unless you take some trait that allows to take additional traits (some madness / sickness or level 1 education)
Also, if you want you can post DNAs for your characters, if not I'll use my imagination with DNA-maker.
Whee... A whole lotta going on here during the night
I'll make my character once I get home from work. Wise was to be not choosen as a trait, right?
I'll make my character once I get home from work. Wise was to be not choosen as a trait, right?
Wise is ok as a trait as we figured out with Pat that the good and bad of wise are balanced with the price.
Byakhiam said:Very good, Solmyr. Though itty-bitty thingies:
- Must have 4 years between brothers, so 26-year old can have only 2 brothers, should be at least 28 for 3 brothers
- Characters can have only 2 personality traits, unless you take some trait that allows to take additional traits (some madness / sickness or level 1 education)
Also, if you want you can post DNAs for your characters, if not I'll use my imagination with DNA-maker.
Ok, drop Eudes from brothers then and drop Honest from Marguerite. Will edit my post to fix.
I will post DNAs when I get home from work, don't have DNAMaker here.
English Noble Titles:
Edmund Neville, Duke of Warwick
John Talbot, Duke of Gloucester
Michael Berkley, Archbishop of Salisbury
Gilbert Howard, Duke of Sussex
Henry Percy, Duke of Lancaster
Lionel Bacon, Duke of Oxford
Richard Rose, Duke of Norfolk
Edward Rose, Duke of Cornwall
Roger Stanley, Governor of Hampshire
EDIT: Decided to make Cornwall Feudal, and Hampshire Mercantile.
EDIT 2: Made Gilbert Howard Duke of Sussex
Edmund Neville, Duke of Warwick
John Talbot, Duke of Gloucester
Michael Berkley, Archbishop of Salisbury
Gilbert Howard, Duke of Sussex
Henry Percy, Duke of Lancaster
Lionel Bacon, Duke of Oxford
Richard Rose, Duke of Norfolk
Edward Rose, Duke of Cornwall
Roger Stanley, Governor of Hampshire
EDIT: Decided to make Cornwall Feudal, and Hampshire Mercantile.
EDIT 2: Made Gilbert Howard Duke of Sussex
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Are we allowed to assign our brothers to rule duchies? If so I'd like for one of my brothers (Philippe) to have eccles education so he can be an archbishop.
Solmyr said:
You can indeed assign your brothers to rule duchies. Their educations, however, are random. I guess you should just cross your fingers and hope for the best.
I'm going to post Poland's courtiers later on today, and then I'll begin working on France. I just finished modding in Germany, and I'll post the file for Byak's benefit here shortly.
As far as ducal capitals go, I think the province that would be the ducal capital of the second duchy controlled by the PC regent should be treated as a regular ducal capital. That is to say, it should get the feudal capital bonus. In theory, the duchy is for the crown prince, anways, so there is no need for the second duchy to be of a slightly lower quality than the first...
Patrucio said:You can indeed assign your brothers to rule duchies. Their educations, however, are random. I guess you should just cross your fingers and hope for the best.
If I get a nonrelated duke with eccles education and no brothers with it, can I switch the two educations?
Also in theory, bishops can have other kind of educations. At least the 1066 scenario has many starting bishops with court and military educations.
Solmyr said:If I get a nonrelated duke with eccles education and no brothers with it, can I switch the two educations?
Also in theory, bishops can have other kind of educations. At least the 1066 scenario has many starting bishops with court and military educations.
Well, if you want to assign a non-Churchman to be a bishop, I have no problem with that.
Stats for Charles and Marguerite for the scenario file:
NOTE: Marguerite's mother and father apply only if you are keeping the normal scenario characters. Otherwise remove them.
Code:
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = xxxxx }
name = "Charles"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id =718 }
country = FRAN
religion = catholic
culture = frankish
birthdate = { year = 1042 month = april day = 7 }
dna = "00010811070807"
attributes = {
martial = 1
diplomacy = 9
intrigue = 5
stewardship = 9
health = 8
fertility = 8
}
traits = {
indulgent = yes
lustful = yes
fortune_builder = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = xxxxx }
name = "Marguerite"
gender = female
dynasty = { type = 12 id =743 }
father = { type = 10 id = 208 }
mother = { type = 10 id = 627 }
country = FRAN
religion = catholic
culture = frankish
birthdate = { year = 1050 month = september day = 19 }
dna = "08070006030410"
attributes = {
martial = 3
diplomacy = 9
intrigue = 4
stewardship = 8
health = 8
fertility = 8
}
traits = {
coward = yes
sceptical = yes
grey_eminence = yes
}
}NOTE: Marguerite's mother and father apply only if you are keeping the normal scenario characters. Otherwise remove them.
Solmyr said:
Duly noted.
We're throwing out all scenario characters, so there's no need to try and figure out mothers and fathers.
Mainly for Byak, but Byak's most recent update with the addition of the German Dukes/Duchies/Nobles in place can be downloaded here:
http://www.cutestgirlintheworld.com/base.zip
http://www.cutestgirlintheworld.com/base.zip