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Haven't talked about them yet.
Since the Kingdom of Jerusalem exists and all the area traditionally held by Christians is held by Christians, I'd be happy just to edit out Crusades if/when they fire (ie- anytime Deus Vult goes off, we go and turn it back off in the save file when next we stop.)
Other than that, I'd suggest a rule saying that a player's realm may gain no more than 4 pagan/muslim provinces during the course of a ruler's lifetime, and that a player may not engage in any fighting against religious enemies until every province you control and every province controlled by every vassal you control accepts Christianity. Of course, if the Kingdom of Jerusalem falls to muslims, we might throw open the door to crusading in the Holy Land...
Patrucio said:
That's kinda pointless since it'll start again the following year.
I suggest that rulers who have at least -2 crusade expectations (so that having max tithing would bring them to -1) are allowed to crusade until the expectations are less than -2 again.
The -2 can be some other number as well.
I thought about dividing crusading into two types of crusading, offensive and defensive crusading, with the following definition:
Offensive Crusade: You may only go on an offensive crusade after Deus Vult has been declared. You may normally only go on an offensive crusade against close by heathen realms, meaning that between you and the heathens is only three seazones from your coast to their coast or that on land there is at tops one minor realm between you and your enemy. If you have crusader trait, you may ignore restrictions.
Defensive Crusade: You may go on a defensive crusade even if Deus Vult is not in effect. Definition of defensive crusade is to go to help another christian kingdom that is being invaded by heathens. Purpose of defensive crusade is to defeat invading armies and take back any provinces taken by heathens. This can allow AI minor to go and invade heathens, but you may not do so yourself, unless you can legally go on an offensive crusade against the heathen in question. After each session all provinces taken during defensive crusade will be edited back to the king which lost the in the first place, unless you take BB hit of 0.8 per province you want to have yourself.
The purpose of this differencemaking is to restrict cooperative AI-bashing for their land to only those that have good cause RP-wise to go on crusading (aka Crusaders), while giving you the ability to defend fellow christians if they are under attack. Remember that you get prestige and piety for taking lands and winning battles in defensive crusading too, so there is incentive to go defend your friends and allies even if there won't be land gains involved.
Also when talking about Crusading restrictions, I think it's a nice moment to give the thoughts I had about special house rules about Kingdom of Jerusalem to you to ponder about:
- King of Jerusalem title is always elective, edited between sessions if necessary
- No player may hold king of Jerusalem title, should any situation lead to such occasion, the title must be given away to strongest vassal in KoJ area
- Having king of Jerusalem as your dynasty member is very great honour and each king of your dynasty to sit on the throne of KoJ nets you 500 prestige, edited between session to your character or your chosen heir (so you can benefit from it even if your character is old at session end)
- If kingdom of Jerusalem is dismantled by heathens (so it ceases to exist), you may freely go to a special case offensive crusade to re-establish it by appointing courtiers (not your direct heir though) as new counts and dukes in the area and after you have enough land to create kingdom of Jerusalem, to give it to desired vassal in the area; this obviously gives very much prestige and piety by game mechanics even and the benefit of losing 0.2 badboy for each given away title should make this very beneficial thing to do in practical standpoint
EDIT: Remember that at least initially the heathen realms are significantly bigger (though also fewer) than in normal 1066, so it should be somewhat similiar to going after Fatimids in normal 1066 to go against any heathen realm.
Offensive Crusade: You may only go on an offensive crusade after Deus Vult has been declared. You may normally only go on an offensive crusade against close by heathen realms, meaning that between you and the heathens is only three seazones from your coast to their coast or that on land there is at tops one minor realm between you and your enemy. If you have crusader trait, you may ignore restrictions.
Defensive Crusade: You may go on a defensive crusade even if Deus Vult is not in effect. Definition of defensive crusade is to go to help another christian kingdom that is being invaded by heathens. Purpose of defensive crusade is to defeat invading armies and take back any provinces taken by heathens. This can allow AI minor to go and invade heathens, but you may not do so yourself, unless you can legally go on an offensive crusade against the heathen in question. After each session all provinces taken during defensive crusade will be edited back to the king which lost the in the first place, unless you take BB hit of 0.8 per province you want to have yourself.
The purpose of this differencemaking is to restrict cooperative AI-bashing for their land to only those that have good cause RP-wise to go on crusading (aka Crusaders), while giving you the ability to defend fellow christians if they are under attack. Remember that you get prestige and piety for taking lands and winning battles in defensive crusading too, so there is incentive to go defend your friends and allies even if there won't be land gains involved.
Also when talking about Crusading restrictions, I think it's a nice moment to give the thoughts I had about special house rules about Kingdom of Jerusalem to you to ponder about:
- King of Jerusalem title is always elective, edited between sessions if necessary
- No player may hold king of Jerusalem title, should any situation lead to such occasion, the title must be given away to strongest vassal in KoJ area
- Having king of Jerusalem as your dynasty member is very great honour and each king of your dynasty to sit on the throne of KoJ nets you 500 prestige, edited between session to your character or your chosen heir (so you can benefit from it even if your character is old at session end)
- If kingdom of Jerusalem is dismantled by heathens (so it ceases to exist), you may freely go to a special case offensive crusade to re-establish it by appointing courtiers (not your direct heir though) as new counts and dukes in the area and after you have enough land to create kingdom of Jerusalem, to give it to desired vassal in the area; this obviously gives very much prestige and piety by game mechanics even and the benefit of losing 0.2 badboy for each given away title should make this very beneficial thing to do in practical standpoint
EDIT: Remember that at least initially the heathen realms are significantly bigger (though also fewer) than in normal 1066, so it should be somewhat similiar to going after Fatimids in normal 1066 to go against any heathen realm.
I think it's far better to have a rule targetted at minimizing Crusading gains rather than limiting the spheres players are allowed to Crusade. After all, once a player would begin Crusading, their sphere would continue to grow as they continue to succeed. France, for example, would be allowed to start in North Africa and push through the Middle East into Russia (theoretically) under this rule, while England would never, ever be allowed to Crusade.
If we're going to impose Crusading rules, our goal should be to have rules that affect everyone equally.
I'm fine with this rule.
Well, if you're wanting to make it so people only Crusade if they have a good RP reason to do so, you might restrict Crusading ONLY to people who gain the Crusader trait.
If a player somehow manages to inherit the Kingdom of Jerusalem, I think he should be allowed to give it away to a relative as an additional option to handing it over to one of the Dukes of the Holy Land.
Good ideas Byak, I also suggest that you are freely allowed to reconquer any core parts of your (and only your) kingdom that have been taken by infidels regardless of other restrictions.
Also I suggest that if KoJ loses any lands to infidels, even if it is not yet destroyed, you are allowed to help it by reconquering its lost lands from heathens. You must however give those lands back to KoJ (edited between sessions, if necessary). Perhaps getting a small piety bonus (20-50) per reconquered KoJ province.
Also I suggest that if KoJ loses any lands to infidels, even if it is not yet destroyed, you are allowed to help it by reconquering its lost lands from heathens. You must however give those lands back to KoJ (edited between sessions, if necessary). Perhaps getting a small piety bonus (20-50) per reconquered KoJ province.
Solmyr said:
I think both of those are already implied in his definition of "defensive crusade".
Patrucio said:
Well I first thought about that, but then I thought people would start shouting "BOO!", "We want to be able to crusade without Crusader" and so on... But if people are fine with "You may only go on an offensive crusade if you are Crusader", I very definetly support it.
EDIT: Also about relatives and KoJ, you are allowed to give a relative enough land in KoJ area to make him the strongest vassal there. The point in "strongest" is that you won't give KoJ to one-province count in Sinai...
Btw, every Muslim country from Egypt to Central Asia is some shade of blue, which makes it very difficult to tell them apart. I'd recommend changing some of them to something else so they get a different color.
France
Non-Frankish Nobles
Dutch Noble
Dirk van Amstel
Dirk has recently come to the Royal Court from Vendome, and is a scion of the most influential of the "Frankish Dutch" families. Dirk was educated in the courts, but had demonstrated appreciable talent only in the more unsavory aspects of court life. Dirk is a very arbitrary man, and tends to form opinions of others based solely on the quality of their clothing. Dispite this tendancy, Dirk has often demonstrated tremendous insight into a great many topic of conversation, and is well-versed in the writings of great Christian thinkers and even some barbarian philosophers. Dirk is also a very chaste man- some suggest that his chastity extends only towards women, though.
Norman Nobles
Bohemund de Hauteville
The lispy Bohemund de Hauteville is a very good-natured man, often praised for his complete honesty with all he speaks and for his kindly and forgiving soul. Though Bohemond possesses no great talents to speak of, he recieved an exemplary education in Paris. Some derride him as a "glorified bean-counter" rather than a nobleman, but it is undeniable that Bohemond is a very knowledgable manager of estates.
Tancred de Normandie
Tancred is a tough veteran of France's many border wars with her German neighbors, and has come to the attention of the French King due to his reliability. Tancred has no head for the subtle nuances of courtly intrigues, but other than that he is a very capable nobleman. While he sometimes lack the knowledge to addres problems, he is always enthusiastic and up-beat. He is always eager to try again to solve a problem if he fails the first time. He is also a very open and generous man, and is said to never turn away a begger from his door empty-handed.
Basque Nobles
Inigo de la Vega
Joseba has wanted to be a knight for as long as he could member, and his father proudly sent Joseba to train as a soldier in the army of the Duke of Bordeaux. If there is one thing Joseba never had any talent for, however, it was being a soldier. Joseba always seemed something of a misguided fellow, a person with more talent for a courtly life that he dispises, and no talent in the martial life he loves. Still, Joseba is a modest and fair person, and quite enjoyable to spend time with.
Joseba Nunez de Lara
If you ask people knowledgable about military matters, "Who is the greatest warrior and general to serve the King of France?", every single one of them will answer you, "Joseba Nunez de Lara." Joseba, an illigitimate son of the infamous Basque nobleman Giacomo Nunez de Lara, is an person with little patience for the niceties of court, and sneers at the idea of matching over pesants and wiling away the days counting taxes. He is a man with only one true love, and that is his own glory. He does not countenance slights to his impressive list of accomplishments, and is quick to inform (very forcefully) anyone who comments on his status as a bastard exactly who they are dealing with. Still, he is, without a shadow of a doubt, the most brilliant tactician born in French lands in many generations. His arrogance is well-earned.
Latin Nobles
Constant d'Ibelin
Constant is the head of the powerful d'Iblin family of Province. Constant is a very talented courtier, given an exceptional training in Province with a special focus on mercantile matters. He learned well from his father, and neither trusts anyone, nor gives anyone credit until they have won his good graces. Dispite his suspicious character, he is very popular among the Latin noblemen of France.
Faust d'Armagnac
Faust is a competent nobleman who has long served his liege as a banner-man and advisor in military matters. He is a grizzled veteran of several conflicts with neighboring Burgundy, and has proven himself capable as a bearer of palms as well as a bearer of arrows. Though he does have a tendancy to exaggerate every story he tells, he always does so to glorify others rather than himself. Faust is personally content to be a good soldier, and desires to glorify his liege's name rather than his own.
Judas d'Artois
Judas has recently returned from the Holy Lands, having been sent to squire with the Knights Hospitalliar. Judas was ordained while in Jerusalem, and has returned bursting with youthful enthusiasm for the mission of the church and the good works he has seen and done thus far. His templar training has left him very capable as either a soldier or as a diplomat, and his temperate and healthy lifestyle ensures that Judas will be here for years to come.
Ives d'Archaic
Ives was trained in the family business of soldiering. He is an able nobleman and a competent soldier, though that is more due to his natural talents than any particular greatness in the knight he was squired to. Indeed, though Ives is eager to prove himself and leaps at any chance to make himself useful, the poor quality of his education has left him in doubt whether he possesses the talents to do what he takes on. Ives has embarassed himself more than once by volunteering for a task, only to see his courage fail him as he faced peril. Ives' most recent misadventure has left him with a nagging ailment that he has not yet been able to shed.
Simon d'Abzac
Simon the Hunchback, as the head of House d'Abzac is known, is an excellent manager of estates. Unfortunately, Simon takes great pride not in his ability to manage funds but rather to manipulate and maneuver in court. He is an unplesant man, but his father was able to get him a tutor in his youth who taught him well how to manipulate others. That is not to say that his natural talents go wasted- Simon is a very selfish man and is always eager to find new means with which to enrich himself. Some suggest that Simon has even gone so far as to "arrange accidents" in exchange for monies, but nothing of the sort has ever been proven.
Welsh/The Nobles of Brittany
Rhys ap Madog
Rhys is a capable and balanced nobleman, educated in the courts of his father to be able to administer his inheritance well. And while Rhys shows a surprising level of insight into the motivations and feelings of others, he usually uses those insights to inflict petty torments and pains upon others. Indeed, Rhys seems to positively delight in the suffering of others, and has never been known to pass up the opportunity to kick a man while he's down. Some (behind his back, of course) suggest that is why his foot is so misshapen...
Caradog ap Ednowain
Caradog is a selfish and decietful man, feared and respected by the noble families of Brittany. He is widely respected for his skill in the more unsavory aspects of noble life, and feared because he has no compunction about using those talents to enrich himself. Caradog was used by the former King as something of a 'bearer of bad news' among his Celtic vassals, and the phrase "Being visited by Caradog" has become synonomous in Brittany with recieving very bad news.
Non-Frankish Nobles
Dutch Noble
Dirk van Amstel
Dirk has recently come to the Royal Court from Vendome, and is a scion of the most influential of the "Frankish Dutch" families. Dirk was educated in the courts, but had demonstrated appreciable talent only in the more unsavory aspects of court life. Dirk is a very arbitrary man, and tends to form opinions of others based solely on the quality of their clothing. Dispite this tendancy, Dirk has often demonstrated tremendous insight into a great many topic of conversation, and is well-versed in the writings of great Christian thinkers and even some barbarian philosophers. Dirk is also a very chaste man- some suggest that his chastity extends only towards women, though.
Norman Nobles
Bohemund de Hauteville
The lispy Bohemund de Hauteville is a very good-natured man, often praised for his complete honesty with all he speaks and for his kindly and forgiving soul. Though Bohemond possesses no great talents to speak of, he recieved an exemplary education in Paris. Some derride him as a "glorified bean-counter" rather than a nobleman, but it is undeniable that Bohemond is a very knowledgable manager of estates.
Tancred de Normandie
Tancred is a tough veteran of France's many border wars with her German neighbors, and has come to the attention of the French King due to his reliability. Tancred has no head for the subtle nuances of courtly intrigues, but other than that he is a very capable nobleman. While he sometimes lack the knowledge to addres problems, he is always enthusiastic and up-beat. He is always eager to try again to solve a problem if he fails the first time. He is also a very open and generous man, and is said to never turn away a begger from his door empty-handed.
Basque Nobles
Inigo de la Vega
Joseba has wanted to be a knight for as long as he could member, and his father proudly sent Joseba to train as a soldier in the army of the Duke of Bordeaux. If there is one thing Joseba never had any talent for, however, it was being a soldier. Joseba always seemed something of a misguided fellow, a person with more talent for a courtly life that he dispises, and no talent in the martial life he loves. Still, Joseba is a modest and fair person, and quite enjoyable to spend time with.
Joseba Nunez de Lara
If you ask people knowledgable about military matters, "Who is the greatest warrior and general to serve the King of France?", every single one of them will answer you, "Joseba Nunez de Lara." Joseba, an illigitimate son of the infamous Basque nobleman Giacomo Nunez de Lara, is an person with little patience for the niceties of court, and sneers at the idea of matching over pesants and wiling away the days counting taxes. He is a man with only one true love, and that is his own glory. He does not countenance slights to his impressive list of accomplishments, and is quick to inform (very forcefully) anyone who comments on his status as a bastard exactly who they are dealing with. Still, he is, without a shadow of a doubt, the most brilliant tactician born in French lands in many generations. His arrogance is well-earned.
Latin Nobles
Constant d'Ibelin
Constant is the head of the powerful d'Iblin family of Province. Constant is a very talented courtier, given an exceptional training in Province with a special focus on mercantile matters. He learned well from his father, and neither trusts anyone, nor gives anyone credit until they have won his good graces. Dispite his suspicious character, he is very popular among the Latin noblemen of France.
Faust d'Armagnac
Faust is a competent nobleman who has long served his liege as a banner-man and advisor in military matters. He is a grizzled veteran of several conflicts with neighboring Burgundy, and has proven himself capable as a bearer of palms as well as a bearer of arrows. Though he does have a tendancy to exaggerate every story he tells, he always does so to glorify others rather than himself. Faust is personally content to be a good soldier, and desires to glorify his liege's name rather than his own.
Judas d'Artois
Judas has recently returned from the Holy Lands, having been sent to squire with the Knights Hospitalliar. Judas was ordained while in Jerusalem, and has returned bursting with youthful enthusiasm for the mission of the church and the good works he has seen and done thus far. His templar training has left him very capable as either a soldier or as a diplomat, and his temperate and healthy lifestyle ensures that Judas will be here for years to come.
Ives d'Archaic
Ives was trained in the family business of soldiering. He is an able nobleman and a competent soldier, though that is more due to his natural talents than any particular greatness in the knight he was squired to. Indeed, though Ives is eager to prove himself and leaps at any chance to make himself useful, the poor quality of his education has left him in doubt whether he possesses the talents to do what he takes on. Ives has embarassed himself more than once by volunteering for a task, only to see his courage fail him as he faced peril. Ives' most recent misadventure has left him with a nagging ailment that he has not yet been able to shed.
Simon d'Abzac
Simon the Hunchback, as the head of House d'Abzac is known, is an excellent manager of estates. Unfortunately, Simon takes great pride not in his ability to manage funds but rather to manipulate and maneuver in court. He is an unplesant man, but his father was able to get him a tutor in his youth who taught him well how to manipulate others. That is not to say that his natural talents go wasted- Simon is a very selfish man and is always eager to find new means with which to enrich himself. Some suggest that Simon has even gone so far as to "arrange accidents" in exchange for monies, but nothing of the sort has ever been proven.
Welsh/The Nobles of Brittany
Rhys ap Madog
Rhys is a capable and balanced nobleman, educated in the courts of his father to be able to administer his inheritance well. And while Rhys shows a surprising level of insight into the motivations and feelings of others, he usually uses those insights to inflict petty torments and pains upon others. Indeed, Rhys seems to positively delight in the suffering of others, and has never been known to pass up the opportunity to kick a man while he's down. Some (behind his back, of course) suggest that is why his foot is so misshapen...
Caradog ap Ednowain
Caradog is a selfish and decietful man, feared and respected by the noble families of Brittany. He is widely respected for his skill in the more unsavory aspects of noble life, and feared because he has no compunction about using those talents to enrich himself. Caradog was used by the former King as something of a 'bearer of bad news' among his Celtic vassals, and the phrase "Being visited by Caradog" has become synonomous in Brittany with recieving very bad news.
Solmyr said:
You can only assign courtiers to Duchies that have at least one province that shares their culture (ie, the Dutch courtier could go to Picardie or Francia, Normanide can only be ruled by one of the Norman nobles.) The only exception to this rule is that the King's brothers can be assigned to rule any Duchy regardless of culture. And speaking of which...
France
Frankish Nobles
The King's Brothers
Louis de Vermandois
Louis the Hare-lipped, the middle of the three sons of the late King of France, was sent to the military to train. Though Louis never demonstrated any particular talent for soldiering, he recieved a very good education, and has become a fairly competent and well-balanced man. While he excells in nothing, he is neither particularly deficient at anything either. Louis has always been envious of his older brother, and apparently seeks to compensate for this by accumulating as much wealth as he can. Louis also makes no secret his contempt for churchmen, and openly spurns the attendance of mass. Indeed, the only priest he seems to like (or even tolerate, for that matter) is his cousin, Alain de Dreux.
Philippe de Vermandois
Philippe was sent to study with the Knights Hospitilliar with his childhood friend, the Latin noble Judas d'Artois, and like his friend chose to be ordained in Jerusalem before his return to Paris. Unlike Judas, however, Philippe has proven to be more successful with the clerical side of the priesthood than the martial side he ws introduced to. Philippe also managed to show some deviousness while in the holy land, and more than once Philippe's ruses befuddled their Saracen enemies long enough for reinforcements to arrive. Philippe has always been something of an arbitrary fellow, and puts little stock in anyone's opinions but his own. Fortunate, then, that he seems much wiser for his time in the Kingdom of Jerusalem. Philippe speaks with a pronounced lisp.
The King's Cousins
Alain de Dreux
Alain is the foremost theological thinker in France. Unfortunately, however, he is an unrepentant sceptic and critic of the Catholic Church. Most believe that the only reason Alain is still alive is the fact that he is blood kin to le Roi, but Alain seems to to care in the least. He takes delight in pointing out the hypocracies and deviations from scripture the Church takes, and is a savage critic of the practice of indulgences. Alain has come very close to endorsing several banned heresies in his writings, but has not as of yet done so. Alain is also a feverent advocate that Church power should be subordinate to royal power within France. Alain is a eloquent, but certainly unsubtle, man, and surprisingly modest for someone so prominent.
Charles de Montmorency
Charles went to the Holy Land several years ago, seeking to he healed of his stutter as well as ordination as a priest. While Charles came back a good Christian (he is noted as a perticularly industrious and merciful person), he also came back sick. Charles is being observed right now, but he has yet to recover from the mysterious ailment that afflicts him.
Pierre de Brienne
Pierre is one of the most vocal secular supporter of the writings of his cousin, Alain de Dreux. Pierre was trained in the courts of Paris as a passable steward. He wanted to be a knight, but his father forbade it. Pierre's fighting spirit has thus been poured into his vicious secularist attack on the Church. He has even suggested (very quietly) that large parts of the Church's teaching is not more than superstition, and believes that there might be more natural explinations to the mysteries of the world. Perhaps in part an effort to stay one step ahead of angry churchment, Piere is also noted as a scrupulously honest and rigorously chaste person.
Simon de Dampierre
Simon is the paragon of mediocraty among the nobles of France. he is neither notably good nor notably bad at anything. In fact, he is remarkable only for his remarkableness. Simon is somewhat gullible, which is surprising given his own personal delight in telling lies.
Philippe de Vendome
Philippe is a mediocre knight whose saving grace is the great power of his family. With a father belonging to the powerful Hose de Vendome, and a mother who is the aunt of the King of France, Philippe is formidable mainly because of who he knows (and is related to) more than anything else. Philippe has always felt a bit insecure, and because of that goes to great lengths to settle scores. he is notably soft-hearted, however, and usually lets people off lightly who have wronged him.
The King's Brothers-in-Law
Boson de Melun
Boson is the illegitimate of the estimable Guillaume de Melun. As he was Guillaume's only son, however, he was eventually acknowledged and became Old Man Melun's heir. Boson is a capable nobleman, but also a notorious rake. His love of wine and women is nearly legendary. Indeed, it is said that his fondness for carrousing with the late King that eventually lead to his recieving of a Royal Princess as a bride. Dispite, or perhaps because, of his relatively impoverished first few years of childhood, Boson is a remarkably generous person.
Foulques de Saint-Denis
Foulques is a frivilous young man, petty in his judgements of others but forgiving of the many failings he finds in them. Nobody is really sure how Foulques's father managed to arrange a Royal bride for young master de Saint-Denis, though Black Magic is often jokingly suggested as a possible means. Foulques is a capable enough knight and a tolerable manager of estates, but has absolutely no ability to pick up on nuance.
Louis de Valois
Louis is one of the most clever men in all of France. A near-master of manipulation and naturally talented at everything he tries, Louis is widely beloved by the nobles of Ile de France. Louis's tremendous natural talent has served to make him an arrogant man, but his pride seems charming rather than condescending. Louis is also the sort of man that cannot abide to be slighted, and several men have died in duels of honor against Louis.
Nobles of Importance married to cousins of the King
Guy de Courcey
The modest Mssr de Courcey is a fairly even-handed and skilled young man. Trained at the courts, he has shown reasonable skill at most aspects of courtly life and a partiular flair for intrigues. Guy is a temperate man, who disdains alcohol but loves to exploit others when they are themselves drunk.
Hughes de Clermont
Bumbling Hughes de Clermont is the token advocate for Rome allowed to grace the halls of power in Paris. Hughes has passable talent in martial and diplomatic spheres, but his extreme religiousness and regular advocation for giving more power to the Church makes him rather unpopular. Still, Hughes is a generous man, and his largess prevents him from being completely ostracized from those who matter most.
Mathieu de Avesnes
Mathieu is a very talented young man. He may very well be the single shrewdest manager of estates in all of France, and is exceptional at everything else that he tries as well. Though Mathieu tends to be a bit careless about things, his chate devotion to his wife and his love of lavishing her with expensive gifts makes Mathieu one of the most admired men in France (at least, among the women of France.)
Yves de Lusignen
Yves is the acknowledged master of all that is unsavory. It is said that little happens in France that the arrogant head of the House de Lusignen does not know about. Surprisingly for one so deeply involved in unsavory and unscrupulous activity, Yves has never been known to tell a lie. Well, it's never been proven, at any rate, although those that accuse him of falsehood do tend to have rather fatal accidents.
Charles de Rohan
Charles is the primary theological opponent to Alain de Dreux, and many consider watching Charles and Alain debate matters of scripture and theology to be the national passtime. Charles is a notably kind indivudual, but is known to have a very low opinion of uneducated people (which, to his mind, is most people.) Like his erstwhile debating partner, Charles is a giftedly eloquent speaker with little to no understanding of nuance and subtility.
Picardie: Dirk van Arnstel (mercantile)
Normandie: Tancred de Normandie (feudal)
Brittany: Caradog ap Ednowain (feudal)
Artois: Guy de Courcy (feudal)
Anjou: Alain de Dreux (ecclestical)
Poitou: Louis de Vermandois (brother, feudal)
Champagne: Philippe de Vermandois (brother, ecclestical)
Bourgogne: Charles de Rohan (ecclestical)
Bourbon: Boson de Melun (feudal)
Bordeaux: Inigo de la Vega (feudal)
Armagnac: Ives d'Archaic (feudal)
Languedoc: Simon d'Abzac (feudal)
Toulouse: Constant d'Ibelin (feudal)
Auvergne: Pierre de Brienne (feudal)
Normandie: Tancred de Normandie (feudal)
Brittany: Caradog ap Ednowain (feudal)
Artois: Guy de Courcy (feudal)
Anjou: Alain de Dreux (ecclestical)
Poitou: Louis de Vermandois (brother, feudal)
Champagne: Philippe de Vermandois (brother, ecclestical)
Bourgogne: Charles de Rohan (ecclestical)
Bourbon: Boson de Melun (feudal)
Bordeaux: Inigo de la Vega (feudal)
Armagnac: Ives d'Archaic (feudal)
Languedoc: Simon d'Abzac (feudal)
Toulouse: Constant d'Ibelin (feudal)
Auvergne: Pierre de Brienne (feudal)
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Solmyr said:
You might have missed this one:
For France, that means a maximum of 3 Archbishoprics.
You've brought something to my attention...Hungary is the only landlocked (player) country, and thus is the only country that cannot have a mercantile duchy by those rules. Perhaps we could have an exception or compensation?
Sorry about that. Amended my post to correct things.
I assume mercantile means republic?
Oh, and what about after game start? Are archbishoprics still restricted, or can we then assign them as desired?
I assume mercantile means republic?
Oh, and what about after game start? Are archbishoprics still restricted, or can we then assign them as desired?
Mercantile is indeed a republic, ala Genoa in vanilla 1066. Obviously limited because of how difficult it is to inherit one. Is it even possible? You'd have to banish your heir, hope he turns up in a republic court, and hope he has the right stuff to inherit, and hope no one stronger arrives or that he leaves for somewhere else.
Same with limiting Archbishops, which are also difficult to inherit, short of you becoming papal controller and hoping your heir is appointed as archbishop of said archbishopric.
Also, I believe we're free to as we please to our vassals once the game begins. It's your BB (to gain more ducal and count titles to grant, via revoking or war).
Same with limiting Archbishops, which are also difficult to inherit, short of you becoming papal controller and hoping your heir is appointed as archbishop of said archbishopric.
Also, I believe we're free to as we please to our vassals once the game begins. It's your BB (to gain more ducal and count titles to grant, via revoking or war).
Solmyr said:
Yep.
Once the game starts, you can revoke every piece of territory and set up 60 Bishoprics if you like.
Hyzhenhok said:
I believe an exception in the case of Hungary would be appropriate. We could instead require in Hungary that the Duchy has to border on a major river or have a major river run through it in order to qualify as a potential mercantile candidate.