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explanation, well.

After sterk vassalized kiev, he immedietly started to convince me to join his kingdom, i said no at first and he continued trying to convince me, then at that moment i changed king and had a lot of things in mind to do, and just to get the things better, i received a phone call, so, just when i message thingy pops out showing poland's portarit, i thought it was alliance and immedietly clicked yes, then when my color chages, i notice what i did.
Just to make the things better everyone start flooding the game log with questions and i got all confused and couldn' tread what sterk was saing, anyway, after thinking it a lot i decided to accept it, anyway if you guys think it was about what sterk was saying, nope, i made the decision all by myself because it was the most convinient thing to do at the moment.
 
germax said:
anyway if you guys think it was about what sterk was saying, nope, i made the decision all by myself because it was the most convinient thing to do at the moment.
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Then I suppose there is no wrongdoing from any part, which is the most important. Then it's just up to us the players to hammer out an appropriate solution. It's too bad that Lurken will be absent next sunday though, most unfortunate, with his key role as the most powerful player in the game.
 
Varyar said:
Then I suppose there is no wrongdoing from any part, which is the most important. Then it's just up to us the players to hammer out an appropriate solution. It's too bad that Lurken will be absent next sunday though, most unfortunate, with his key role as the most powerful player in the game.
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I said "might" depending on when I get home from Gothenburg.
 
A- Assuming Peace treaty is not involved Sterk said if I accepted being a vassal he would help me in his words "crush pronsk" and I would eventually gain Rus.

I had in a manner because in the war I had with him I got absolutely no help whatsoever from anyone in what was obviously a cheap shot when I was in a desparate (but winnable) war with Hungary.

Basically his war aims was that he was to get Lithunia, Kiev, Galich basically the rights to Ukraine and southern Rus trying to force me into a little corner.

None of which would've happened if even one person recognized the importance of keeping things balanced now there is no balance and nothing matters anymore. I'm playing on momentum alone at this point everything seems hopeless.
 
Balance is still there. For without the area around Kiev and parts of Lithuania, Poland is doomed imho. However I could never fanthom a thing like this. Saying that you have no chance is wrong. Bide your time, sterk can't be there for you all the time. Plot together with Pronsk, plot with other realms against Poland, and the crown of Rus is possible to get.

Smile, and hid that dagger of yours.
 
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I had in a manner because in the war I had with him I got absolutely no help whatsoever from anyone in what was obviously a cheap shot when I was in a desparate (but winnable) war with Hungary.
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He did take advantage of you being weak, but you put yourself in that weak position by wearing down your troops with massive expansion in the Baltics and allowing a massive debt in your treasury.

Basically his war aims was that he was to get Lithunia, Kiev, Galich basically the rights to Ukraine and southern Rus trying to force me into a little corner.
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There's nothing guaranteeing that we the other players will let that happen/remain. Lithuania is one thing, Kiev and Ukraine a totally different one.

None of which would've happened if even one person recognized the importance of keeping things balanced now there is no balance and nothing matters anymore. I'm playing on momentum alone at this point everything seems hopeless.
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You yourself distorted the balance by claiming and conquering Lithuania for yourself while still being a major part of Rus, something that Poland would not have allowed had Sterk been present in the earlier sessions. Thus I feel no guilt seeing your realm pushed eastwards. But I also doubt I'm the only one feeling very uncomfortable with the vast polish holdings in Bolgar and east Rus, as well as the sudden polish move to the south rather than the northeast.

Strike a deal with Pronsk(and Georgia?) regarding the division of the crowns of Rus, Bolgar and Cuman, and possibly Lithuania; then you can unite your forces as you share a common goal. You will get support from other players, since no one wants to see a Poland of that size.
 
for those of you who supposedly are getting nervous with poland with so much territory, actions speak louder then words people.
 
Now, could someone tell me, how is this game more balanced to one, where binTravkin creates a 'gargantuan realm', which is yet a lot smaller in troopcount than 2 others?

I just can't see it.

I was told I didn't state that Im leaving.
Well, that's official now.

Have good luck!
 
binTravkin said:
Now, could someone tell me, how is this game more balanced to one, where binTravkin creates a 'gargantuan realm', which is yet a lot smaller in troopcount than 2 others?
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It isn't. In fact, if I didn't expect this monster Poland to break up one way or the other pretty soon, I'd quit the game right now. But since about half of it consists of two human players, I have hope.

I was told I didn't state that Im leaving.
Well, that's official now.

Have good luck!
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Nooooooooo!!! :(

Why?

Sid Meier said:
for those of you who supposedly are getting nervous with poland with so much territory, actions speak louder then words people.
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Poland and her ally probably has more than 5 times the manpower I could muster, and I'd have to pay a freight fee bigger than King Kong just to get those lazy buggers to the continent. It's not like we the other players can just push a button and solve your problems. If it comes to war, we'll need a large alliance.

I'm confident it can be solved diplomatically though. But for that to happen you have to make an agreement with Pronsk, Sid.
 
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My god, I thought all of you were made of stronger stuff, especially you bin. You guys do realize, Pronsk has about 10k manpower less than I do? Honestly, Germany could crush me if they want, they're still far more powerful. If Germany attacks, do you think Kiev would help me? Or for that matter, Pronsk? This whole thing had little to do with gaining actual power but rather king titles. I fully expect my empire to fall apart soon enough. I do not wield as much real power as it may seem. If I were to attack Georgia, what would Pronsk do? Attack me, most likely. Or, they would go along, gain territory in Georgia, then grow stronger and attack me in the future.

But so far, nobody has even tried to do anything about it. No proposals have been made to me, no real attempt at gathering an alliance (to my knowledge) has been launched. So maybe you guys should try doing something before complaining about how I'm so powerful. You know why this happened? It's because I took initiative and struck at the right time. Lurken, Varyar, and Richard see that I can be brought down. The rest of you, specifically Bin and Vlad/Sid, seem to have just given up.

While I'm on the topic of Bin... well, I think I'll just say this. Don't come back to this game that you abandoned just to add negative comments. You abandoned this game without much word at all, and now you're just using your lack of concrete resignation as a means to bring the rest of us down.
 
Sterkarm said:
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Poland is like the colossus on clay feet

Kujy said:
What the... So now the two people who asked me to (not forced) join this left? Yeah this is really encouraging. :rolleyes:
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I still like you.
 
Hi there,

I have been informed that there are many positions vacant.

Although I have played EU2 many times in MP I am not that experienced in CK-MP. If this isnt any problem I would like to take the position of France.
 
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good, i say you join then.

About all thissituation, come on people? what's wrong with you? like sterksaid, do you really think he has big power? use diplo, if itwasen't because igot some diseases i would have thesame manpower that poland has, so, don't count all that, i would onlysupport poland on war i myself would like to fight.
 
Welcome Jenz :). Glad to have you join as we could have used a player in France. And France's position is still strong, not wrecked or anything so your not taking a gimp a country, and you happen to own Jerusalem, so your in a good position.
 
maybe I overreacted, I am sorry, bad combination of lack of sleep and stress.
 
ok - confession here - I'm new to multiplayer CK. this looks like a fun party though is it possible to jump in?

how many people are playing now, what date are you on and how would one go about joining in? :rolleyes:
 
yes, the more the merrier :D
you can join i guess noone will say no, we are currently between 1100 and 1105 i can't remeber the exact date, there are like 11 players now i think, hmmm, i think you could join as Bohemia or an Skandinavian country, maybe Burgundy could be a good choice too.
 
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