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Originally posted by StephenT
I'd just point out that Germany (and France, which recruited 22% of its population) only achieved such high numbers by huge sacrifices, damaging their civilian economy immensely (and permanently, which kind of explains WW2).

So rather than just give them this manpower automatically, I'd still like to see an event in 1917 or so offering them a big manpower boost, but also increasing unrest and/or decreasing IC production. Let the player make the choice... (of course, the other Great Powers should be offered a similar deal).
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I concur, in fact in my ramblings I think I mentioned that. I think manpower should definitely be doled out by events to simulate the mobilizatoin of the powers. With the exception of their starting manpower of course (which for most should not be very much).

Well I hope some of my ideas/ramblings help...maybe if I am lucky I will even get an honorable mention by Elisson somewhere. Maybe not, one can hope though.
 
shdwknghtx, I consider you one in the team (added you to the TGW-site also). :) You have contributed with a whole lot already, and I hope there is more to come. :)

/Johan
 
I agree with Elisson. shadwknghtx (has a terrible name) has contributed greatly already.

As for manpower, I think we are in agreement as to how the system should work (different 'classes' of nations (1st, 2nd, 3rd... worlds) get different amounts of manpower based on percentages of population), so we need to find reasonably accurate figures for lots more nations.

Steele
 
I have a site in Swedish (sorry guys :( ) that has made an old encyclopedia available on the internet. It is the second edition with publishing years from 1904 to 1922 which means that I could collect some fairly accurate population numbers even for small countries. And larger countries even has population numbers for provinces.

/Johan
 
Thats good news. It would be great, but I don't read, speak, understand, or in any way have any comprehension of Swedish. Luckily, I am assuming that you do.

I can provide figures for most countries, but it remains to be seen how reliable these will be.

Essentially, Asia will be the difficult part. I can cover Africa, Southern Europe, and South America failry well, I think.

Steele
 
Afghanistan (1921) - 6.380.500
Albania (1921) - 1.400.000
Argentina (1 june 1914) - 7.885.237
Austria-Hungary - ca 52.000.000 (the Ö-volume (which A-H beginns with in Swedish, Österrike-Ungern) was published in 1922, so no exact number is given)
Belgium (1902, 1920) - 6.896.079, 7.684.272
Bhutan (no date publ. 1905) - ca 250.000
Bolivia (1900, 1915) - 1.734.000, 2.890.000
Brazil (1903, 1920) - ca 16.000.000, 30.635.605
Bulgaria (1900/1900, 1921) - 2.644.299/3.744.283, 4.861.439 (later 1900-number includes Eastern Rumelia)
Chile (1905, 1920) - ca 3.300.000, 3.754.723
China (1875, 1900, 1904, 1899-1901, 1906, 1924) - ca 350.000.000, ca 400.000.000, ca 270.000.000, 407.345.305, 432.214.000, 318.653.000 (the three first are estimated numbers, the two next are Chinese official numbers and the last is Statesman's year-book including Mongolia and Tibet)
Colombia (no date publ. 1906, 14 october 1918) - 3.917.000, 5.855.077/6.295.491 (two different numbers for the same date)
Costa Rica (1904, 31 december 1920) - 331.340, 468.373 + ca 3.500 "uncivilized indians"
Cuba (1899, 1919) - 1.572.797, 2.899.705
Denmark (1 february 1906, 1921) - 2.588.919 + 16.344 at Faeroe Islands + 11.900 Greenland (1901) + 31.500 Caribbean (1901), 3.267.831 including Sönderjylland/Schlesvig
Dominican Republic (no date publ. 1907, 1921) - ca 416.000, 897.405
Ecuador (1889, 1915) - 1.272.160, ca 2.000.000
El Salvador (1914) - 1.225.835
Ethiopia (no date publ. 1922) - ca 8.000.000
Finland (1905, 1910, 1921) - 2.892.088, 3.115.197, 3.402.593
France (1911, 1921) - 39.604.992, 37.500.017
Germany (1910, 16 june 1925) - 64.925.993, 62.365.478 (no colonies included in numbers)
Greece (1907, 1920) - 2.631.952, 5.536.375

(Mongolia (1924) - 1.800.000
Tibet (1924) - 2.000.000)

Ahhh... Tired, will continue tomorrow. :)

/Johan
 
Originally posted by Johan Elisson
shdwknghtx, I consider you one in the team (added you to the TGW-site also). :) You have contributed with a whole lot already, and I hope there is more to come. :)

/Johan
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:D

I would just like to thank all the 'little' people out there who made this all possible...

Thanks Steele I kinda like the name too....

I shall see what numbers I can come up with also, but Elisson's numbers may end up being the most accurate.
 
Guatemala (31 december 1903, 1920) - 1.842.134, 2.004.900
Haiti (no date publ. 1909, 1918-1919) - ca 1.900.000, 1.631.250
Honduras (1905, 1922) - 500.136, 662.422
Italy (1 january 1909, 1911) - 34.269.764, 37.276.738 (no colonies included in numbers)
Japan (31 december 1903, 1908, 1921) - 46.732.876 including Korea + 2.797.702 Taiwan + 54.759 Pescadores, 52.337.934 including Taiwan and Pescadores, 77.067.924 including all above + 667.382 Kwantung (good to know for German colonies)
Liberia (no date publ. 1912) - ca 1.500.000-2.100.000
Luxemburg (1910, 1922) - 259.891, 260.767
Mongolia (no date publ. 1913, 1924) - 1.850.000, ca 1.800.000
Montenegro (no date publ. 1913, 1921) - 285.000, 199.857 (latest number for the province M. in Yugoslavia)
Nepal (no date publ. 1913, no date publ. 1925) - ca 5.000.000, 5.600.000
Netherlands (1909, 1923) - 5.858.175, 7.086.913
Nicaragua (no date publ. 1913, 1920) - ca 600.000, 638.119
Norway (10 december 1910, 31 december 1912) - 2.391.784, 2.435.700
Oman (no date publ. 1914) - ca 402.600-1.000.000
Ottoman Empire (1914, no date publ. 1920) - 32.770.000, ca 19.991.000 (first number includes Egypt with 12.170.000, second number is probably also a pre-war number but without Egypt)
Panama (1910, 1920) - 337.142, 446.098
Paraguay (1911, 1917) - ca 800.000 ca 1.000.000 (second number probably to high)
Persia (1907, 1925) - ca 9.500.000, ca 10.000.000
Peru (1906, 1921) - ca 3.547.829, ca 5.500.000-7.000.000 (both numbers probably to high, probably closer to 3.000.000 for first number and 5.000.000 for second)
Portugal (1911, 1 december 1920) - 5.960.056, 6.032.991 (both including Azores and Madeira, no colonies)
Romania (19 december 1912, 1920) - 7.234.919 + 273.090 conquered from Bulgaria, 16.262.177/ca 10.000.000 (last number is 1920 number minus conquered parts, unsure)
Russia (1 january 1912) - 173.359.900 (including 12.776.100 Poland and 3.140.100 Finland)
Sanusia - no idea... :rolleyes: Manpower should probably only allow one militia division to be raised (or no at all).
Serbia (1910, 1913) - 2.911.701, 4.574.992 (first number + conquered areas)
Spain (1910, 1920) - 19.950.817 +44.629 African colonies, 21.338.381
Sweden (1913, 1914, 31 december 1916) - 5.638.583, 5.679.607, 5.757.566
Switzerland (1 december 1910, 1 december 1920) - 3.753.293, 3.886.090
Tibet (1924) - ca 2.000.000
Uruguay (1908, 1917, 31 december 1924) - 861.464, 1.407.247, 1.640.214
USA (1910, 1920) - 91.972.266 + 7.635.426 Philippines, 117.823.165 (including Philippines and other "colonies")
Venezuela (1891, 1917, 1921) - 2.323.527, 2.844.618, 2.411.952 (second number probably to high)

Arabian states:
Hedjaz (no date publ. 1904) - ca 300.000
Yemen (no date publ. 1904) - ca 750.000
Oman (no date publ. 1904) - ca 1.000.000, check above
Nejd (no date publ. 1904) - ca 1.318.000

British Empire (1911) - 389.000.000 (not including UK and Ireland)
United Kingdom and Ireland (1911) - 45.370.530
Canada (1901) - 5.372.315
North America (1901) - 5.590.000 (including Canada),
India, Burma and Ceylon (1901, 1911) - 298.000.000, 315.000.00
Belize (1901) - 37.479
North Borneo (no date publ. 1905) - 200.000
Aden (no date publ. 1906) - ca 115.000
Somaliland (no date publ. 1905) - 154.000
East Africa (no date publ. 1905) - 5.000.000
South Africa (1911) - 5.973.394
Australia (1901) - 3.782.943
New Zealand (1911) 1.008.206 + 49.844 Maori
New Guinea (1911) - 272.000
Cyprus (1901) - 237.022
Guyana (1891) - 278.328


Dutch Colonies:
East India (1905) - 37.960.000 (all)
New Guinea (no date publ. 1914) - 200.000
Surinam (1905) - 92.000

German Colonies (1913) - 12.400.000:
New Guinea (no date publ. 1914) - 112.000

French Empire (1901) - 51.317.000 (not including France):
France (1906) - 39.252.267
Algeria (1901) - 4.801.475
Tunisia (1901) - 1.820.000
Sahara (1901) - 790.000
Madagascar (1904) - 2.644.672
Reunion (1897) - 173.192
Comores (1901) - 85.000
Guyana (1901) - 32.908
Guinea (no date publ. 1908) - 1.500.000
India (1901) - 273.185)
Indochina (1904, 1906) - 18.925.988, 15.858.514
Congo (no date publ. 1908) - 8.500.000
Somaliland (no date publ. 1908) - 50.000
West Africa (no date publ. 1908,) - 9.100.000/12.700.000 (including Guinea, two numbers)
America (1901) - 428.819 (including Guyana)
Pacific (1901) - 89.000

This is getting messy, but there are a lot of numbers in the volumes. :)

/Johan
 
Originally posted by Steele
StephenT has a good idea. How about this:

All industrialized nations except the US and UK start out with 10% of their population as available manpower. After war begins, an event will give them the choice of losing 5+ IC (such that nothing goes below 1) in every province, but increasing their manpower to 20% of the population.

In the US and UK, conscription will come as an event, sometime after they join the war. They start with 1-3% of the population as manpower. Conscription will increase dissent by 5%, and increase manpower to 10% of the population. After a while, an event will offer them the chance to sacrifice 5+ ICs (such that nothing goes below 1) the same as other nations, in exchange for increasing manpower to 20% of the population.

Poorer nations (Russia) should have the same system, but at somewhat lower numbers. They start with 7.5% of the population available as manpower, and with a sacrifice of 2+ IC (such that nothing goes below 1) in every province, they can double this to 15% of the population.

The poorest nations (China) should have even lower numbers. They begin with 3.5% of the population available as manpower. An event will allow them to sacrifice 1 IC in every province, as long as nothing goes below 1. This will increase their available manpower to 10% of the population.

I agree about War Entry. It gets annoying, and won't be very useful I don't think.

As I said before, tying available manpower to the number of troops actuaslly raised is not a good idea. It puts an artificial limitation on the game.

Steele
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This sounds like a plan to me. I shall take the numbers given by Elisson and others and begin to compile numbers based on what is said here. I shall let others write the events for the extra manpower levels (my event scripting skills are nill) but shall make notes on which nations get to go up to 20%, 15%, 10% and what those numbers will be.
 
Before I post the long list of numbers that I crunched (Whoa did that take awhile.) I have some comments about the numbers and some other stuff.

A question, was not Albania part of Ottoman Macedonia?
And what about Montenegro, part of Serbia?

I had numbers for them and crunched them, but was wondering if they should be added to other nations.

For numbers where we have colony populations I am only going to let 3% of that population be added in. I will put it in higher if someone objects. It might be good to have those countries that have large extensive colonies have the option, with an event, to introduce conscription in the colonies. Raising the total manpower from 3% to 6% in colonial territories, perhaps, with an increase of dissent of course.

The exception is the Dominions, I treated them as if they were just British home territories. However I think the manpower derived from India is too ridiculously large (around 9,500) using 3%. So I am going to use 0.25% for those colonies and 0.5% at full conscription in India (Conscription in India should definitely inspire rebellion there.) The Dutch East Indies seem to have the same problem…so I am going to use the same percentage as India. (Same as India, some revolts should definitely break out if conscription is invoked in the Dutch East Indies.)

I have included the Ottoman’s with and without Egypt. I think that before the Ottomans declare war they should get the manpower from it, but once they declare war (and Britain is allied against them) they loose that manpower base.
 
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Hmm...this may not fit very well. Sorry about that. If someone wants me to email this to them just ask. Monthly Manpower will come in the next post, so don't worry about it. I used the numbers that StephenT had recommended for total manpower (3.5 & 10%, 7.5% & 15%, 10 & 20%) all convientetly listed with the manpower numbers. Feel free to disagree with what I got. For those countries with colonies I have listed total MP without any conscription, then to the left of that MP with consription in the home country only (unless listed as a dominion), and then directly below that MP with conscription in both home and colonies.

Economic level is given as 1, 2, 3, colony, and dominion. It determines the total MP percentage that the country can call upon.

Country/Population/Economy lvl./Initial MP/improved MP(3/6% - colony conscription)


Afghanistan 6,380,500 3 223.3(3.5%) 638.1(10%)
Albania 1,400,000 2 105(7.5%) 210(15%)
Argentina 7,885,237 2 591.4(7.5%) 1,183(15%)
Austria-Hungary 52,000,000 2 3900(7.5%) 7,800(15%)
(If as a lvl. 1 econ.) (1) 5,200(10%) 10,400(20%)

Belgium 7,630,000 2 572.3(7.5%) 1,144.5(15%)
Belgian Congo5,100,000 colony 153(3%) 306(6%)
Total Belgium: 12,730,000 all 725.3 1,297.6(3%)
1,420.6(6%)

Bhutan 250,000 3 8.75(3.5%) 25(10%)
Bolivia 2,890,000 3 101.2(3.5%) 289(10%)
Brazil 24,160,000 2 1812(7.5%) 3,624(15%)

(British Empire)
UK and Ireland 45,370,530 1 4,537.1(10%) 9,074.1(20%)
Canada 5,372,315 dominion 537.2(10%) 1074.5(20%)
Americas 217,685 colony 6.5(3%) 13.0(6%)
India(&Burma/Ceylon) ---
315,000,000 colony 787.5(0.25%) 1575(0.5%)
Belize 37,479 colony 1.1(3%) 2.2(6%)
North Borneo 200,000 colony 6.0(3%) 12.0(6%)
Aden 115,000 colony 3.5(3%) 7.0(6%)
Somaliland 154,000 colony 4.6(3%) 9.2(6%)
East Africa 5,000,000 colony 150(3%) 300(6%)
South Africa 5,973,394 dominion 597.3(10%) 1194.7(20%)
Australia 3,782,943 dominion 378.3(10%) 756.6(20%)
New Zealand 1,008,206 dominion 100.8(10%) 201.6(20%)
New Guinea 272,000 colony 8.2(3%) 16.4(6%)
Cyprus 237,022 colony 7.1(3%) 14.2(6%)
Guyana 278,328 colony 8.4(3%) 16.8(6%)
Total British Empire: 383,018,902 all 7,133.6 11,670.6(3%)
14267.3(6%)

Bulgaria 4,861,439 2 364.6(7.5%) 729.2(15%)
(*Bulgaria, another set of numbers given)
16,262,17 2 1219.7(7.5%) 2,439.3(15%)

Chile 3,400,000 3 119(3.5%) 340(10%)
China 407,345,305 3 14,247(3.5%) 40,734(10%)
Columbia 5,300,000 3 185.5(3.5%) 530(10%)
Costa Rica 468,373 3 16.4(3.5%) 46.8(10%)
Cuba 2,460,000 3 86.1(3.5%) 246(10%)

Denmark 2,900,000 2 217.5(7.5%) 435(15%)
Faeroe Is. 16,344 colony 0.5(3%) 1.0(6%)
Greenland 11,900 colony 0.4(3%) 0.8(6%)
Caribbean 31,500 colony 0.9(3%) 1.8(6%)
Total Denmark 2,959,744 all 219.3 436.8(3%)
438.6(6%)

Dominican Republic 897,405 3 31.4(3.5%) 89.7(10%)
Ecuador 1,400,000 3 49(3.5%) 140(10%)
El Salvador 1,225,835 3 42.9(3.5%) 122.6(10%)
Ethiopia 8.000.000 3 280(3.5%) 800(10%)


France 39,252,267 1 3,925.2(10%) 7,850.5(20%)
Algeria 4,801,475 colony 144.1(3%) 288.2(6%)
Tunisia 1,820,000 colony 54.6(3%) 109.2(6%)
Sahara 790,000 colony 23.7(3%) 47.4(6%)
Madagascar 2,644,672 colony 79.4(3%) 158.7(6%)
Reunion 173,192 colony 5.2(3%) 10.4(6%)
Comoros 85,000 colony 2.6(3%) 5.1(6%)
Guyana 32,908 colony 1.0(3%) 2.0(6%)
Guinea 1,500,000 colony 45(3%) 90(6%)
India 273,185 colony 8.2(3%) 16.4(6%)
Indochina 18,925,988 colony 567.8(3%) 1135.6(6%)
Congo 8,500,000 colony 255(3%) 510(6%)
Somaliland 50,000 colony 1.5(3%) 3.0(6%)
West Africa 7,600,000 colony 228(3%) 456(6%)
Americas 395,911 colony 11.9(3%) 23.8(6%)
Pacific Islands 89,000 colony 2.7(3%) 5.4(6%)
Total French Empire:
86,933,598 all 5,356 9,281.2(3%)
10,630.7(6%)


Germany 64,925,993 1 6,492.6(10%) 12,985.2(20%)
German Africa 12,400,000 colony 372(3%) 744(6%)
New Guinea 112,000 colony 3.36(3%) 6.7(6%)
Kwantung 667,382 colony 20.0(3%) 40.0(6%)
Total German Empire:
78,105,375 all 6,887.9 13,380.5(3%) 13,755.9(6%)

Greece 4,800,000 2 360(7.5%) 720(15%)
Guatemala 2,004,900 3 70.2(3.5%) 200.5(10%)
Haiti 1,842,134 3 64.5(3.5%) 184.2(10%)
Honduras 662,422 3 23.1(3.5%) 66.3(10%)
Italy 37,276,738 2 2,795.8(7.5%) 5,591.5(15%)
(No colony numbers added.)

Japan & Korea 46,732,876 2 3,505.0(7.5%) 7,009.9(15%)
Taiwan 2,797,702 colony 83.9(3%) 167.9(6%)
Pescadores 54,759 colony 1.6(3%) 3.3(6%)
Total Japan:49,585,337 all 3,590.5 7,095.4(3%)
7,181.1(6%)
Liberia 1,500,000 3 52.5(3.5%) 150(10%)
Luxemburg 259,891 2 19.5(7.5%) 39(15%)
Mexico 14,880,000 3 520.8(3.5%) 1,488(10%)
(Needs to be divided among the two parites.)
Mongolia 1,850,000 3 64.8(3.5%) 185(10%)
Montenegro 285,000 3 10.0(3.5%) 28.5(10%)
Hedjaz 300,000 3 10.5(3.5%) 30(10%)
Nepal 5,000,000 3 175(3.5%) 500(10%)
Nejd 1,318,000 3 46.1(3.5%) 131.8(10%)

Netherlands
6,235,000 2 467.6(7.5%) 935.2(15%)
East Indies
37,960,000 colony 94.9(0.25%) 189.8(0.5%)
New Guinea
200,000 colony 6.0(3%) 12.0(6%)
Surinam 92,000 colony 2.8(3%) 5.5(6%)
Total Netherlands:
44,487,000 all 571.3 1,038.9(3%)
1,142.5(6%)

Nicaragua 600,000 3 21.0(3.5%) 60.0(10%)
Norway 2,435,700 2 182.7(7.5%) 365.4(15%)
Oman 1,000,000 3 35.0(3.5%) 100.0(10%)
Ottoman Empire
32,770,000 2 2,457.8(7.5%) 4,915.5(15%)
(With Egypt)
(OT Without Egypt)
20,000,000 2 1,500(7.5%) 3,000(15%)

Panama 446,098 3 15.6(3.5%) 44.6(10%)
Paraguay 545,000 3 19.1(3.5%) 54.5(10%)
Persia 10,000,000 3 350.0(3.5%) 1,000(10%)
Peru 4,300,000 3 150.5(3.5%) 430.0(10%)
Portugal 6,032,991 2 211.2(7.5%) 603.3(15%)
(Includes Azores and Madeira, but no other colonies.)

Romania 7,500,000 2 562.5(7.5%) 1,125(15%)

Russia
166,000,000 2 12,450(7.5%) 24,900(15%)
Finland 3,140,100 dominion 235.5(7.5%) 471.0(15%)
Poland 12,776,100 dominion 958.2(7.5%) 1916.4(15%)
Total Imperial Russia:
181,916,200 all 13,643.7 27,287.4

Sanusia ??? 3 10 (Enough for the militia unit.)
Serbia 4,500,000 2 337.5(7.5%) 675.0(15%)

Spain 19,950,817 2 1,496.3(7.5%) 2,992.6(15%)
African Colonies
44,629 colony 1.3(3%) 2.6(6%)
Total Spain
19,995,446 all 1,497.6 2,993.9(3%)
2,995.2(6%)

Sweden 5,679,607 2 426.0(7.5%) 851.9(15%)
Switzerland
3,886,090 1 388.6(10%) 777.2(20%)
Tibet 2,000,000 3 70.0(3.5%) 200.0(10%)
Uruguay 1,300,000 3 45.5(3.5%) 130.0(10%)

USA 91,972,266 1 9,197.2(10%) 18,394.5(20%)
Philippines
7,635,426 colony 229.1(3%) 458.1(6%)
Other Territories
18,215,473 colony 546.5(3%) 1,092.9(6%)
Total USA
117,823,165 all 11,9972.8 19,170.1(3%)
19,945.5(6%)

Venezuela 2,600,000 3 91.0(3.5%) 260.0(10%)
Yemen 750.000 3 26.3(3.5%) 75.0(10%)
 
Monthly Manpower: ((Homeland conscription + colony addition (3%))*0.03)/120

For monthly allowances I would suggest that this contribute a total of 3% of the total manpower. Thus if China’s total manpower, with full mobilization, is 40,734. The total manpower contribution by monthly manpower would be (3%) 1222.1. Then since the game goes from Jan. 1914 to Jan. 1924? Divide that out by 120 months, yields a monthly manpower of 10.2.

Monthly MP: (If below 0.1, then bumped up to 0.1.)

Afghanistan 0.2
Albania 0.1
Argentina 0.3
Austria-Hungary 2.0 (2.6)
Belgium 0.3
Bhutan 0.1
Bolivia 0.1
Brazil 0.9
British Empire 2.9
Bulgaria 0.2 (0.6)
Chile 0.1
China 10.2
Columbia 0.1
Costa Rica 0.1
Cuba 0.1
Denmark 0.1
Dominican Republic 0.1
Ecuador 0.1
El Salvador 0.1
Ethiopia 0.2
French Empire 2.3
German Empire 3.3
Greece 0.2
Guatemala 0.1
Haiti 0.1
Honduras 0.1
Hedjaz 0.1
Italy 1.4
Japan 1.8
Liberia 0.1
Luxemburg 0.1
Mexico 0.4
Mongolia 0.1
Montenegro 0.1
Nepal 0.1
Nejd 0.1
Netherlands 0.3
Nicaragua 0.1
Norway 0.1
Oman 0.1
Ottoman Empire 1.2 (0.8)
Panama 0.1
Paraguay 0.1
Persia 0.3
Peru 0.1
Portugal 0.2
Russia (with Poland)6.7
Finland (by itself) 0.1
(Imperial Russia 6.8)
Sanusia 0.1
Serbia 0.1
Spain 0.7
Sweden 0.2
Switzerland 0.2
Tibet 0.1
Uruguay 0.1
USA 4.8
Venezuela 0.1
Yemen 0.1
 
If those monthly manpower rates sound good to everyone, I can post later the revised total MP for each country that substracts the 3% of the total, that is added by the monthly MP.

Hope my number crunching helps.
 
They sound very low. The numbers in original HoI was almost ten times higher. Maybe we should lessen starting manpower and increase those numbers?
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I thought that also, but do remember that 1 Mp = 1,000 men. So if monthly manpower is 2.0, then that's 2,000 men a month; 24,000 a year, and 240,000, over ten years.

I am not opposed to increasing the numbers if needs be, but vanilla HOI never really came out and said what one MP was to compare their monthly MP to these. Besides I was under the impression that monthly MP was the amount of MP that was coming of age where they could serve in the military.

If we do need to increase it, I would guess somewhere between 5-10%.
 
According to Math Guy in this thread
http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85962

that 1 MP is roughly around 1,000 in vanilla HOI (Man they really need to adjust the total MP for some countries then.), anyway, that 1 MP on the map (within the provinces) corresponds to around 0.1 monthly MP. So with the numbers I gave, most countries would have just 1 MP within their capital mayhaps, while the larger countries would have places with a lot more. GB for example would have twenty nine MP to distribute to their territories.

Oh and I forgot to note on the monthly MP list, that the numbers in parenthesis are optional depending on different numbers. Such as, AH, having 2.0 (2.6), the 2.0 was on the condition it was a level 2 economy, while the 2.6 was on the level 1 economy scale.
 
Well, I've made a little investigation about manpower :D :

I've started with checking some numbers in the CIA factbook. It shows some interresting numbers for each country, for instance "Military manpower - reaching military age annually (males)" and population. I've counted on it and it seems like around 1 % of the population each year reaches military age, in developing countries like India and Egypt, numbers for i.e. USA was 0,75 % and for Sweden 0,5 %. As the growth of the population during WWI probably resembles today's developing countries better that industrial countries, I'll use 1 %. This means that WWI Germany with a population of 64.925.993 would have 649.260 males reaching military age each year, this is translated to 649 manpower a year and 54 manpower each month. Of course this should be a little lower since not all of those 649.260 males are fit for service. But a number closer to 30 or 40 probably is more historical than 3.3?

/Johan
 
Okay, that sounds fine with me. The reason why my numbers were so low is that I was taking the 3% from the total manpower that would have been drawn up (full mobilization levels), not from the total population.

Using my equation but with the full population would yield a monthly manpower of 16.2 (that is including only the population of Germany proper.).

30 to 40 sounds fine with me, but don't forget to subtract those numbers (the total that is) from the overall total manpower. We don't want to give more than we should.
 
I think that you should continue with the manpower work since you are in to it already, but maybe we should take something like 0.0000005 (5x10^-7) multiplied with the population to get the monthly manpower.

0.005 (0.5 % reaching military age each year) x 0.001 (1 mp = 1000 men) / 12 (months) = 4.16x10^-7.

This means (if using 0.0000005) that Germany proper would get 32.5 manpower per month.

And then of course lessen the total starting manpower with the number you get times the number of years the game has (not decided yet, probably 6, 8 or 10).

/Johan
 
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