March 1918 - Kaiserschlacht

[Allenby]

Allenby...dear sweet God I didn't know you were such a talented artist.

You flatter, but it really is just a screenshot.

Anywho, do any those Blue Shadow ministers have any special talents (i.e. Guns and Butter Doctrine, etc.), or all of them just crappy generic ministers?

Good question. Armenia, Azerbaijan, Byelorussia, Lithuania and Ukraine are the files in question which are virtually full of Shadow Ministers with no redeeming features whatsoever. I've not found any information on who ran these countries so I'll probably just have to use this site to get the bare minimimum, and if it really matters, change some of the other ministers to give them traits.

 

[Zuckergußgebäck]

OK, in order to cmplete europe I want to know three things:

1) The don cossacs are to be a part of Ukraine, right?
2) Does Finland own Petsamo?
3) How´s the russian civil war looking?

 

[Kami888]

1. I'm not sure if you need to include all those minor nations into the scenario, it will only create more confusion and thousands of "what if.." events. I would think about naming all of ukraine, transcaucasia, and south russian territories as "southern whites" and giving them lots of dissent to represent their differences.

2. Of course it does. finland is supposed to lose Petsamo during winter war.

3. good, except i'm afraid that the eastern whites seem overpowered. Maybe you should give them some nasty events too so they will always have big dissent.

Some notes though, 1st: what are you going to do about northern allied occupation of karelian region? Making them part of "southern whites" is going to lead to quick annexation of the north since there is literally no way the southern whites can ship resources to the north.
I think you should make independent "northern white" state which would appear in case, british, american, or italian forces decide to help the whites.

2nd: Don't have eastern whites control the ural mountains at the beginning. the ural mountains serve as a barrier for the red forces because of which they cannot advance there.

3rd: Please, change the Japanese AI when it goes to war with russia. With current AI, the declaration of war would mean gigantic amounts of japanese troops landing in ukraine and georgia. That way Soviet Russia will never win the war :rofl:

4th: this is something that will require some new tags, but will not hurt the gameplay:
If Soviet Russia finishes the war with the southern whites before 1922 (most likely it will), give independence to byelorussia, ukraine, and transcaucasia as puppets of Soviet Russia.
On April 6, 1920, if Eastern Whites have been defeated but Japanese haven't evecuated yet, give independence to Tannu Tuva and the Far Eastern Republic.
In 1922, with the evacuation of the Japanese, have a trigger - something like "formation of USSR", in which all these republics (except Tannu Tuva) will get annexed. Maybe you should give the republics a choice to refuse, but then SOV declares war.

 

[StephenT]

1) The don cossacs are to be a part of Ukraine, right?

No, part of the Russian Whites. However, the provinces in question should be part of Ukraine's national territory as well. (In other words, Ukraine will have claims on the Whites).

Also, to be historical, Rostov (province 861) should be an enclave of Soviet Russia. It probably won't last long.

2) Does Finland own Petsamo?

Not yet. It should be part of the Russian Whites' territory, but it should also be a national province of Finland. (Finland occupied it in 1920).

3) How´s the russian civil war looking?

Soviet Russia is at war with the Russian Whites. The Federation is still neutral.

 

[StephenT]

1. I'm not sure if you need to include all those minor nations into the scenario, it will only create more confusion and thousands of "what if.." events. I would think about naming all of ukraine, transcaucasia, and south russian territories as "southern whites" and giving them lots of dissent to represent their differences.

They're already in the game, so why go to all the work of changing it to make it less historically realistic?

The Russian Civil War is supposed to be confusing...

2. Of course it does. finland is supposed to lose Petsamo during winter war.

See above. Pechenga, as it was then known, was a Russian town. Finland occupied it in 1920.

3. good, except i'm afraid that the eastern whites seem overpowered. Maybe you should give them some nasty events too so they will always have big dissent.

Overpowered how? Their national territory is a vast snow-covered wasteland. Although I wouldn't have a problem with more dissent-causing events.

Some notes though, 1st: what are you going to do about northern allied occupation of karelian region? Making them part of "southern whites" is going to lead to quick annexation of the north since there is literally no way the southern whites can ship resources to the north.

They can build units there easily enough. As for Soviet Russia, considering they start with 10, mostly militia divisions, I don't think they'll be annexing a lot of <34 infrastructure provinces north of the Arctic Circle any time soon...

2nd: Don't have eastern whites control the ural mountains at the beginning. the ural mountains serve as a barrier for the red forces because of which they cannot advance there.

One of the two biggest centres of power for the eastern faction was the Volga basin. They can use the River Volga as a barrier easily enough.

 

[Zuckergußgebäck]

Stephen, you misunderstood number 3, I was wondering bout fronts. Shall both sides simply control their 'revolt areas' as defined in the revolt.txt?

 

[StephenT]

Stephen, you misunderstood number 3, I was wondering bout fronts. Shall both sides simply control their 'revolt areas' as defined in the revolt.txt?

Oh, sorry. Yes, pretty much.

If there's a conflict between that and the map I posted on page 2 of this thread go with the map, but they should be pretty much the same.

 

[StephenT]

Also, bear in mind that for SOV, U15 and SIB, they need extra provinces added to their nationalprovinces section (over and above those detailed in revolt.txt) in the inc file, as per their set-up events:

U15 needs
719 721 763 764 766 767 769 770 774 775 776 857 863 864 865 772 773 778 779 780 1359 1360 1220 1258 1260 1263 781 783 784 785 788 791 792 793 794 804 840 842 843 844 845 846 847 848 850 851 852 853 854 855 856 858 861 1225 1227 1228 1229 1232 1233 1234 1236 1237 1244 1245 1248 1249 1251 1254 1398 1404 1422 1423 1431 1436 1526 1534 1535 1651 1652 1653 1656 1657 1658 1662 1239 1240 1241 1242 1243 1246 1250 1371 1372 1373 1374 1375 1376 1377 1378 1379 1380 1381 1382 1383 1385 1386 1387 1388 1389 1391 1392 1393 1394 1395 1396 1397 1517 1518 1521 1522 1523 1524 1525 1527 1529 1530 1533 1537 1538 1540 1553 1628 1630 1631 1632 1633 1634 1636 1637 1638 1639 1640 1641 1644 1645 1659 1843 1846 1850 1855

SIB needs
719 721 763 764 766 767 769 770 772 773 774 775 776 778 779 780 781 783 784 785 788 791 792 793 794 804 805 807 811 821 822 834 838 839 840 842 843 844 845 846 847 848 850 851 852 853 854 855 856 857 858 859 861 862 863 864 865 1220 1222 1223 1224 1225 1227 1228 1229 1230 1232 1233 1234 1235 1236 1237 1244 1245 1248 1249 1251 1252 1254 1255 1256 1257 1258 1259 1260 1263 1359 1360 1366 1369 1370 1398 1399 1402 1404 1405 1409 1422 1423 1424 1425 1426 1429 1430 1431 1436 1515 1519 1526 1534 1535 1648 1651 1652 1653 1656 1657 1658 1662 1663 1847

SOV, on the other hand, has the original RUS nationalprovinces minus these:
637 638 639 640 642 643 648 649 720 723 707 708 709 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 721 722

 

[Zuckergußgebäck]

Are you sure you have the righ PID for SOV?

EDIT: Mistake on my part

What about the pacific front, who should occupy what?

 

[Zuckergußgebäck]

Is thsi correct:

 

[unmerged(28406)]

Why is Soviet Russia a democracy ?

 

[StephenT]

Those pictures look OK.
Soviet Russia is Communist, as it should be!

The Russian Whites need the following event (which can be included in the normal event file; it isn't scenario-specific):

event = {  
    country = U15 
    id = 87100 
    random = no 
    style = 0 

    name = "Death of Kornilov" 
    desc = "General Kornilov, the former Commander in Chief of the Tsar's 
armies, played a vital role in organising the White resistance to the Bolshevik 
tyranny.  Sadly, while leading his forces in an attack on the small provincial 
town of Ekaterinodar, his headquarters was shelled by Soviet guns.  Kornilov 
was killed instantly.  His successor is General Anton Denikin, a noted hard-
liner."

    trigger = { 
        war = { country = U15 country = SOV }
    } 

    date = { day = 13 month = april year = 1918 } 
    offset = 1 
    deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1925 } 

    action_a = { 
        name = "A sad day" 
        command = { type = dissent value = 1 } 
        command = { type = headofstate which = 87031 } 
        command = { type = headofgovernment which = 87033 } 
        command = { type = chiefofstaff which = 87037 } 
        command = { type = chiefofarmy which = 87043 } 
        command = { type = alignment which = fascist value = 30 } 
        command = { type = sleepminister which = 87001 }
        command = { type = sleepminister which = 87002 }
        command = { type = sleepminister which = 87007 }
        command = { type = sleepminister which = 87008 }
        command = { type = sleepleader which = 87014 }
    } 
}

Kornilov was an Authoritarian Democrat, but Denikin is Absolutist, so this will shift the Russian Whites' alignment.

 

[StephenT]

A suggestion/question on the Russian factions.

Lenin acknowledged the independence of the breakaway Western fringe of the Tsarist empire (Poland, Lithuania, Finland, etc). However, the Whites still insisted that such countries should be brought back into the Empire, by force if necessary. Therefore, I think that U15 and SIB should still have naitonal province claims on those countres. Comments?

The provinces in question are:
637 638 639 640 642 643 648 649 720 723 707 708 709 712 713 714 715 716 717 718

 

[Zuckergußgebäck]

Why is Soviet Russia a democracy ?

Valid point, I´ll fix SOV alignment ASAP.

And Stephen, make up your mind about those claims!!!!

 

[ptan54]

Shouldn't Soviets start with Moscow as the capital? Right now it's still Petrograd.

 

[Zuckergußgebäck]

Argh!

 

[Kami888]

They can build units there easily enough. As for Soviet Russia, considering they start with 10, mostly militia divisions, I don't think they'll be annexing a lot of <34 infrastructure provinces north of the Arctic Circle any time soon...

well, i understand that AI can place newly built divisions in the north region, what i don't understand is how are those divisions going to be supplied? You mean the supply line needs to be traced all the way around Europe?

See above. Pechenga, as it was then known, was a Russian town. Finland occupied it in 1920.

i never knew that. So how are you going to have this province ceded to finland, through event or through war?

The Russian Civil War is supposed to be confusing...

Ok, i'm just wondering what events are you going to have in case don cossacs take over soviet russia

 

[unmerged(28406)]

I still dont hope that Germany hops into the Russian Civil War.Actually you may never know with the German AI,but will be turn this into a bigger mess.

 

[Zuckergußgebäck]

Ok, i'm just wondering what events are you going to have in case don cossacs take over soviet russia

As the Don Cossacs are part of the whites, this won´t happen.

Oh, and Stephen, do you mind drawing up a german OOB along the lines of Allenbys Ottoman OOB? Would make the job of interpreting your OOB MUCH easier.

 

[StephenT]

Hmm. Not exactly sure what you need...

When my original OOB says, for example:

Here's the German OOB.

All German units with artillery brigades are currently located in Sedan province.
German units should be at 75% strength unless noted.
Kavallerie divisions listed as INF or RES are dismounted cavalry re-equipped as infantry.

Antwerpen province

4. Armee (von Arnim)
RES: 7, 31, 207, 214, 1 Marine, 2 Marine, 17 Reserve, 36 Reserve, 49 Reserve
MIL: 1 Landwehr

6. Armee (von Quast)
RES: 4 Ersatz, 43 Reserve, 18 Reserve, 1 Bayerische Reserve, 8 Bayerische Reserve, 32, 35, 38, 42

IV Korps (?? Ilse)
RES: 8, 16, 11 Reserve, 44 Reserve, 81 Reserve, 10 Ersatz
(85% strength)

Would you rather it said:

4. Armee (von Arnim) - Antwerpen
7. Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 75%)
31. Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 75%)
207. Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 75%)
214. Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 75%)
1. Marine Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 75%)
2. Marine Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 75%)
17. Reserve Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 75%)
36. Reserve Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 75%)
49. Reserve Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 75%)
1. Landwehr Infanteriedivision (Militia, 75%)

6. Armee (von Arnim) - Antwerpen
4. Ersatz Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 75%)
43. Reserve Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 75%)
18. Reserve Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 75%)
214. Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 75%)
1. Bayerische Reserve Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 75%)
8. Bayerische Reserve Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 75%)
32. Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 75%)
35. Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 75%)
38 Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 75%)
42 Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 75%)

IV Korps (Ilse) - Antwerpen
8. Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 85%)
16. Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 85%)
11. Reserve Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 85%)
44. Reserve Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 85%)
81. Reserve Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 85%)
10. Ersatz Infanteriedivision (Reserve, 85%)


Because to me, that says the same thing but taking up many times more space...