Well, I'm on ICQ, and no-one else is. 
Did I get the wrong time, or something? I think the server downtime screwed this one over.
Did I get the wrong time, or something? I think the server downtime screwed this one over.-
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King of Men said:Well, I'm on ICQ, and no-one else is.
Agree, couldn't check squat 'cause the server was down. So we will just have to aim for next weekend? Right?
Until then we can hope for an eastern power to join. Or is that just me?
Hey ya'll,
We'll be on Vnet this game until everyone gets ICQ...
Hope to see ya'll there.
Traveler
We'll be on Vnet this game until everyone gets ICQ...
Hope to see ya'll there.
Traveler
I'm sorry that I missed the game. I can only blame myself. I hope that you all had a good time. Besides in my tired brain I thought it was Saturdays. Not Sundays. Silly me.
Don't worry, Lurken, we didn't start the Great Game, we just messed around a bit with an old save we had lying around.
So, next week we start, right? 1100 EST, be in Vnet sharpish or we will start without you. Kle, where the devil are you? We haven't heard from you since forever. Jarkko, could you please post something? We would love to have you playing.
So, next week we start, right? 1100 EST, be in Vnet sharpish or we will start without you. Kle, where the devil are you? We haven't heard from you since forever. Jarkko, could you please post something? We would love to have you playing.
The reason I haven't posted is that I was last week in reservist training (in a cave some 50 meters below surface), but now I am back Sorry I didn't mention it in this thread before I left.
England suits me fine.
Sorry I didn't mention it in this thread before I left.England suits me fine.
King of Men said:
Roger wilco! I will be there unless some unmentionable monster eat me up, or something similar.
Welcome back, Jarkko! Looks like we have the makings of a truly Great Game. If Kle can play also, we'll have most of Europe covered.
Is Traveler playing Poland in this game? If so, then I believe I'm taking England, right?
i would not mind playing, i like playing as Byzantium but it appears that that is out of the question so i guess i will play as Brandenburgthe only problem is that me and sterkarm played quite a bit over the summer and developed a competitive nature over Germany and poland lol if he even remembers. any way i wont mind playing as brandenburg my ICQ is :224-117-472
Oh i must know if we are going to play through vicky why not go the whole way and play through to HOI2 ?? i know theres no export patch but if we all sat down we could tweak the 1936 scenerio enough i would love this
Oh i must know if we are going to play through vicky why not go the whole way and play through to HOI2 ?? i know theres no export patch but if we all sat down we could tweak the 1936 scenerio enough i would love this
...Yes, I most certainly remember. You were a random V-net sub for my Poland and sabotaged my nation. You released all possible vassals and DOWed everyone around and gave them territory. I don't consider that a competitive nature. I call that getting backhanded revenge for my straightforward and fair war against you.
However, I'd be willing to forgive and forget, if you play responsibly in this game. But don't expect any mercy just because you're a Duke. If ever Germany should falter for just a year or so... the Piast dynasty would be none too unhappy to have Berlin in their possession.
However, I'd be willing to forgive and forget, if you play responsibly in this game. But don't expect any mercy just because you're a Duke. If ever Germany should falter for just a year or so... the Piast dynasty would be none too unhappy to have Berlin in their possession.
Welcome, Hohenzollern. While it's Trav's game and his call, I'm sure you'll be welcome as a German duke. Now, if only Kle would post, we'd have a truly excellent game, with all the positions filled.
On a different subject : Rules. Do we need a rule for when a war is so badly lost that the player has to give in? This was a problem in SatNight, but perhaps we could just agree to act like gentlemen. RP suggested a rule against marrying Agnes d'Aquitaine; personally I think this is a little unnecessary, as that's just good gameplay. And besides, every neighbour of the offender ought to dogpile him. Or just assassinate any sons of the union. Finally, should we adopt Sterk's Crusade limits, different Crusade limits, or just the usual balance-of-power considerations? I'd like to hear from all the players on this; myself, I'm in favour of some limits, but a bit weaker than what Sterk proposed. Say, perhaps, max three anti-pagan wars per decade, rising to six if you're a crusader.
As for the rule against grabbing King and Duke titles, perhaps we could say that you can't grab the titles of an excmmunicated King or Duke? If you accumulate enough prestige to grab the title of someone who didn't get excommed, you should be allowed to do something with it.
On a different subject : Rules. Do we need a rule for when a war is so badly lost that the player has to give in? This was a problem in SatNight, but perhaps we could just agree to act like gentlemen. RP suggested a rule against marrying Agnes d'Aquitaine; personally I think this is a little unnecessary, as that's just good gameplay. And besides, every neighbour of the offender ought to dogpile him. Or just assassinate any sons of the union. Finally, should we adopt Sterk's Crusade limits, different Crusade limits, or just the usual balance-of-power considerations? I'd like to hear from all the players on this; myself, I'm in favour of some limits, but a bit weaker than what Sterk proposed. Say, perhaps, max three anti-pagan wars per decade, rising to six if you're a crusader.
As for the rule against grabbing King and Duke titles, perhaps we could say that you can't grab the titles of an excmmunicated King or Duke? If you accumulate enough prestige to grab the title of someone who didn't get excommed, you should be allowed to do something with it.
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King of Men said:
Well, Sterk's comments on Crusading limits is from a past world, aka 1.04. In betas holding too many non-christian provinces will be a major pain in the butt, and if anybody wants to try it, then go ahead IMO
I've seen Sterk and others crash their kingdoms/duchies/counties during vanilla 1.04, so by all means do not deprive away one tool to crash people themselves that has been provided in the betas It is still as easy to grab the land in wars, the problems arise when you try to keep the land, and doing a expansionistic start will end in a catastrophe As for the rule to not grab excommed players titles, I like it. Excommed AI sure, but not players.
I also suggest, nay, I actually demand
a no-edit rule. A total and utter ban on edits. Edits will eventually lead into all sorts of trouble.
I believe that the original Crusades Rules are very good at depicting the reality of those wars.
On the subject of claims, I think that claiming titles should only be from excommed characters and/or with good RPing in AARs and game. If you fabricate a just cause for the claiming it should be okey.
On the subject of claims, I think that claiming titles should only be from excommed characters and/or with good RPing in AARs and game. If you fabricate a just cause for the claiming it should be okey.
i got a friend who thinks he might play he's just checking his schedule so theres another possible player
Hehe, so you in effect propose the exact opposites from my suggestionsLurken said:
Well, I do not wish to be rude, but I do not think I a game where the heir of a King is excommed so that his title can be grabbed when the old king dies; there will always be enough "RP-reasons" for that (for example, let us assume I as England and papa-controller want to grab the title of France; the heir of France is sceptical -> Excomm, or he married a new wife just 15 days after the previous died -> Excomm, etc etc). I've played a few CK MP's and EU2 MP's, and there will always be "RP-reasons" which in fact are only gamey-rule-twisting IMO. Excomming a player is bad enough, and if Excomming is the only way to grab a title from a player, then that is not something I would find very enjoyable or good RPing.
Uhm, sorry guys I didn't know we were supposed to start our game last sunday... I tought that we were waiting for Jarkko, right? Anyways, I was busy with school work and didn't have the time to check these boards so frequently. I'll be there this sunday.
Jarkko Suvinen said:Hehe, so you in effect propose the exact opposites from my suggestions
Excomming a player is bad enough, and if Excomming is the only way to grab a title from a player, then that is not something I would find very enjoyable or good RPing.
Okey, I see your point. Apperantly you have more MP wisdom, then me. So I will back down.