Yep, I know RP, my BB is horrific because of the reconquest of Brittany... Oops, sorry, that doesn't count because its me right?
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Well you took Normandy 20 years ago from me, exactly like Cheech took Brittanny from you - So karma wise you had it coming I guess.
I was only warring to get one out of four provinces and a duchy you took like that from me before. And you reacted by repeating the same sort of attack.
I was only warring to get one out of four provinces and a duchy you took like that from me before. And you reacted by repeating the same sort of attack.
RP, I didn't mean to imply that you were doing anything wrong in either of the TOW games. You were playing well, and I enjoyed it even when I lost. (Well, not as much as I would have if I'd won. But still.) What I'm saying is, I didn't get bitter about it.
And as for diplomacy - I do feel it is incumbent on the statesman to ensure that the target of his approaches isn't lying. It's an MP game, broken deals happen all the time. You have to take it into account. I mean, you already know from TOW II that I'm an untrustworthy bastard, right?
I've done this to you before, even. You really should stop taking me at my word when I say I'll go against my own best interest for your sake.
And fairness? I don't see what that has to do with it. You attacked my ally - and while I know you disagree, I feel that England has helped me more than you have. Maybe Dom has a better PR department, I don't know; I'm just telling you how I feel about it. In any case, you attacked my ally, and I judged I would rather have England's friendship than an exhausted England, France, and Flanders, because I would not be able to take advantage of the latter outcome. So - I smashed you. Get your revenge in the next generation, when my king will be much suckier.
Really, I think all this comes down to me lying about my intentions. Well, I know you are bitter about it, but it's a part of the game.
And as for diplomacy - I do feel it is incumbent on the statesman to ensure that the target of his approaches isn't lying. It's an MP game, broken deals happen all the time. You have to take it into account. I mean, you already know from TOW II that I'm an untrustworthy bastard, right?
I've done this to you before, even. You really should stop taking me at my word when I say I'll go against my own best interest for your sake. And fairness? I don't see what that has to do with it. You attacked my ally - and while I know you disagree, I feel that England has helped me more than you have. Maybe Dom has a better PR department, I don't know; I'm just telling you how I feel about it. In any case, you attacked my ally, and I judged I would rather have England's friendship than an exhausted England, France, and Flanders, because I would not be able to take advantage of the latter outcome. So - I smashed you. Get your revenge in the next generation, when my king will be much suckier.
Really, I think all this comes down to me lying about my intentions. Well, I know you are bitter about it, but it's a part of the game.
Wait wait wait now, that is not true, I took Normandy province by province... I almost always do that because the gold is as important to me as anything else and because with the normal fact that I don't do much exanding I can usually absorb the extra BB...
On a completely different subject, I just had a brilliant idea for dealing with RP's rebel problem. Why don't we just edit out the realm disruption events until the area bug is fixed? (And maybe do away with RP's current rebellions.) I mean, we know the event is buggy, it's giving one of our players dis-proportionate amounts of trouble - I, for example, havven't gotten the event even once, though my vassals have - and in general, I think that event is just more trouble than it's worth.
In fact, it's so obvious, I have to wonder why we didn't think of it before.
In fact, it's so obvious, I have to wonder why we didn't think of it before.
Sounds like you had an interesting session. And I support KoMs notion about editing the realm disruption events caused by distance. It is kinda buggy right now.
'Interesting', I'd say, is understating the case just a little, Lurken. Will you be there next week? It seems clear that we need Spain to contain the agressive imperialist nation of France.
Hey ya’ll,
Well I feel I must bare my soul for the sake of the game. I remember why I bought my first Paradox Game. I followed a link from Game Spy about Europa Universlis. Once there I read some AAR’s about the game.
I really loved the stories and wanted to play the game badly. Soon I bought the game and played it a lot. Finally joining my first multi-player game of EU after reading an MP AAR. I loved the game even more.
Ever since then I’ve been snapping up Paradox titles and joining MP games. Finally I managed to build a system worthy of hosting a game, which was Tides of War.
I thoroughly enjoyed it and was proud of the fact that for the most part our game never deteriorated into chaos like so many others. I was shocked when I read other MP threads where games descended into name calling and quick endings.
I never wanted that for the games I hosted and worked to ensure we all got along and played well. I tried to implement rules where we could all enjoy the game and have fun. I emphasized diplomacy as it encourages the players to talk to each other.
Role-Playing added a nice element where players could immerse themselves in the game. I wanted players to look forward to the game and want to play. I find playing with other people to be the best aspect of paradox games. Trying to keep people from crushing you and forming alliances to try and crush others was an amazing aspect that keeps me wanting to play MP.
It seems I have failed. First Duuk quit in a huff, which I chalked up as an aberration. I truly miss Duuk and didn’t like to see him go like that but never expected it to get worse. Well my worst fears have been realized. Reading this thread smacks of the threads I’ve read so many times before.
I’ve known Dom and Prime and KoM for so long. We’ve welcomed new players and I’ve really enjoyed our games together and look back at the past games with true fondness. I fancied our group as a club of period role-playing gamers.
I never meant to make you feel bad Dom, I didn’t want Prime to give up and didn’t realize I was pissing you off because of it. Cheech I understand about the rule or the lack there of, again a major over sight on my part. Sterk amazed me this past game and I had great hopes for the game. Dom, please reconsider; I know you are angry and a lot of that is my fault.
If there is any way we can salvage this game, I’m all ears. I want the game to be fun for all. I really like this game I truly wanted to go all the way with it, but it seems I may be grasping at something that’s just not tenable.
Well I feel I must bare my soul for the sake of the game. I remember why I bought my first Paradox Game. I followed a link from Game Spy about Europa Universlis. Once there I read some AAR’s about the game.
I really loved the stories and wanted to play the game badly. Soon I bought the game and played it a lot. Finally joining my first multi-player game of EU after reading an MP AAR. I loved the game even more.
Ever since then I’ve been snapping up Paradox titles and joining MP games. Finally I managed to build a system worthy of hosting a game, which was Tides of War.
I thoroughly enjoyed it and was proud of the fact that for the most part our game never deteriorated into chaos like so many others. I was shocked when I read other MP threads where games descended into name calling and quick endings.
I never wanted that for the games I hosted and worked to ensure we all got along and played well. I tried to implement rules where we could all enjoy the game and have fun. I emphasized diplomacy as it encourages the players to talk to each other.
Role-Playing added a nice element where players could immerse themselves in the game. I wanted players to look forward to the game and want to play. I find playing with other people to be the best aspect of paradox games. Trying to keep people from crushing you and forming alliances to try and crush others was an amazing aspect that keeps me wanting to play MP.
It seems I have failed. First Duuk quit in a huff, which I chalked up as an aberration. I truly miss Duuk and didn’t like to see him go like that but never expected it to get worse. Well my worst fears have been realized. Reading this thread smacks of the threads I’ve read so many times before.
I’ve known Dom and Prime and KoM for so long. We’ve welcomed new players and I’ve really enjoyed our games together and look back at the past games with true fondness. I fancied our group as a club of period role-playing gamers.
I never meant to make you feel bad Dom, I didn’t want Prime to give up and didn’t realize I was pissing you off because of it. Cheech I understand about the rule or the lack there of, again a major over sight on my part. Sterk amazed me this past game and I had great hopes for the game. Dom, please reconsider; I know you are angry and a lot of that is my fault.
If there is any way we can salvage this game, I’m all ears. I want the game to be fun for all. I really like this game I truly wanted to go all the way with it, but it seems I may be grasping at something that’s just not tenable.
Trav, every game has its troubles, and we can make it through these. Really, the biggest problem is the lack of RP (roleplaying that is). I am probably one of the guiltiest parties when it comes to this, and I will try to work on it some more. Losing this war has made me realize that sometimes it is fun to be the underdog and most certainly to have to constantly be fighting to stay on top. Now, I've experienced being the underdog in EU2 quite often (I basically play only Poland in that game), but it's very different in CK, because the underdogs actually stand a chance.
But, basically, I think more roleplaying would make the game so much better, with less powergaming and a lot more feeling. I remember in a game of mine (Kingdoms from Scratch), I invaded England for no other reason than his insulting of the Polish nation and Krakow (my king was proud). That was a very fun war, and neither player came out of it with any ill will towards the other player. Of course, England hated me for sacking London, as did the entire Rose dynasty (it was the ruling family of England, edited characters). The Piasts were quelled however, for they had gotten their revenge, for the time being. Just an example, but again, roleplaying makes a game much more fun.
But, basically, I think more roleplaying would make the game so much better, with less powergaming and a lot more feeling. I remember in a game of mine (Kingdoms from Scratch), I invaded England for no other reason than his insulting of the Polish nation and Krakow (my king was proud). That was a very fun war, and neither player came out of it with any ill will towards the other player. Of course, England hated me for sacking London, as did the entire Rose dynasty (it was the ruling family of England, edited characters). The Piasts were quelled however, for they had gotten their revenge, for the time being. Just an example, but again, roleplaying makes a game much more fun.
Trav, I feel exactly the same like you do. I fail to see how you are responsible for other players throwing the game-rules, roleplaying and diplomacy out of the window though. It cannot be asked of you to play schoolteacher during the game - we are all grown-ups and should be expected to play the game by its rules.
If roleplaying doesnt get better then "If you do that I am going to spend the rest of the game $#%# you up as much as I can" and diplomacy doesn't get better then "I don't mind what I said - now I am doing this", we would be better of playing HOI where these problems don't exist.
If roleplaying doesnt get better then "If you do that I am going to spend the rest of the game $#%# you up as much as I can" and diplomacy doesn't get better then "I don't mind what I said - now I am doing this", we would be better of playing HOI where these problems don't exist.
hello, i just wanted to apologize for not showing up to play when i said i would, my computer died a couple of weeks ago and it took me a while to fix it.
sorry.
have a nice game.
sorry.
have a nice game.
You are still welcome to join Josi, allthough I think we aren't really advertising the game atm. I am not sure if we, or who are still continueing to play.
My understanding is that tempers have cooled sufficiently that nobody is quitting, which is good. And there are now three kingdoms available, namely Rus, Germany, and Bohemia, though I don't recommend Germany; it's getting its ass kicked by Bohemia these days, if you can believe it. But anyway, you are still welcome to join, Josiman.
RP, can I suggest that you don't get mad, but instead get even? You might want to take note of the excellent advice contained in your sig. And for what it's worth, I was indeed roleplaying; specifically, I was roleplaying an evil, conniving bastard who had his own reasons for wanting Flanders to go for England. Because of the uproar and hurt feelings, I am not following through on those reasons (to wit, Luneburg and Bremen). But I wasn't lying for the mere joy of it.
Incidentally, Sterk, let me just note how much I appreciate your cool. You are making less noise over an entire Kingdom, than is being generated in the West over half a Duchy.
RP, can I suggest that you don't get mad, but instead get even? You might want to take note of the excellent advice contained in your sig. And for what it's worth, I was indeed roleplaying; specifically, I was roleplaying an evil, conniving bastard who had his own reasons for wanting Flanders to go for England. Because of the uproar and hurt feelings, I am not following through on those reasons (to wit, Luneburg and Bremen). But I wasn't lying for the mere joy of it.
Incidentally, Sterk, let me just note how much I appreciate your cool. You are making less noise over an entire Kingdom, than is being generated in the West over half a Duchy.
Hi Guys ^^
I am quiet new to these forums and i really want to play a MP Game in the Valkyrie net but i dont find some ?
So,atleast i came here to ask friendly if i could play with ya ? :rofl:
Would be nice if someone could give me a "Yes" or a "No"
Kind regards the zeroXero
I am quiet new to these forums and i really want to play a MP Game in the Valkyrie net but i dont find some ?
So,atleast i came here to ask friendly if i could play with ya ? :rofl:
Would be nice if someone could give me a "Yes" or a "No"
Kind regards the zeroXero
Any change i could get a little BB reduction? As you see my realm has become somewhat smaller due to that -5000 prestige followed by a massive civil war and then promotion of all my sisters and brothers who then broke and attacked :wacko:
You are more then welcome to join Zero.
Don't try to turn things around KoM both you and Dom cheated and that is what the whole fuss is about.
Trying to put it off like I am some sad guy who is pissed of because he lost half Duchy is not very sportive.
edit: I am sure something can be done Aladar.
Don't try to turn things around KoM both you and Dom cheated and that is what the whole fuss is about.
Trying to put it off like I am some sad guy who is pissed of because he lost half Duchy is not very sportive.
edit: I am sure something can be done Aladar.
About me to show up on this sunday is slim at best.
Guys....I call for a grouphug! C'mon! GROUPHUG!
And Aladar....I know that your current situation stinks. But...it will get better. You hold the kingtitles of most the rebellious lands. When your king dies, and your new one get enough prestige, they will return. Just hold on Aladar.
And again guys....love. I love you all, you all are great players. Remember....there is just under 200 years left. Plenty of time to get even.
Guys....I call for a grouphug! C'mon! GROUPHUG!
And Aladar....I know that your current situation stinks. But...it will get better. You hold the kingtitles of most the rebellious lands. When your king dies, and your new one get enough prestige, they will return. Just hold on Aladar.
And again guys....love. I love you all, you all are great players. Remember....there is just under 200 years left. Plenty of time to get even.
Robtimus Prime said:
I would like to know how we cheated please? I stand by the fact that I was attacked, had an entire duchy taken and retaliated by doing the same because not a signle person would say a damn thing for me, when it happened to me. Considering that I am "out to destroy your game" I want the five provinces I gave you back since those remaining with you would by no means qualify for destroying your game and I have no wish to be contrary...
Yeah thx,but i actually dont have a real idea about the game time you start.
Erm...Anyone knows what time and day it actually is in GMT +1 ?
And,which dukedoms are Opened ?
Cauze i dont want to start with a Kingdom in ya game
Erm...Anyone knows what time and day it actually is in GMT +1 ?
And,which dukedoms are Opened ?
Cauze i dont want to start with a Kingdom in ya game
1 - When I was in a fair war with France you started annexing vassals from the both of us. While our armies where elsewhere occupied and decimated. You absorbed Normandy and its vasals. The consequently disbanded armies made me loose the war to Germany.
2 - You had your sucky king assassinated by KoM because of the huge badboy and negative loyalty this gave you.
3 - You again absorbed a duchy of mine.
4 - KoM annexed my lands pre-peace.
Thats 4 times. France and me attacked you because of the first thing.
Zero the game is at 17:00 CET and Bohemia might be a nice small kingdom to start I think.
2 - You had your sucky king assassinated by KoM because of the huge badboy and negative loyalty this gave you.
3 - You again absorbed a duchy of mine.
4 - KoM annexed my lands pre-peace.
Thats 4 times. France and me attacked you because of the first thing.
Zero the game is at 17:00 CET and Bohemia might be a nice small kingdom to start I think.
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