No tribals?

[Ols]

Is a version of Iqta used at all? I can't really think of any cultures that it would fit. Of course, other than the temples can be held and inherited thing, I'm not really sure what exactly differentiates Iqta from Feudal. I thought that a lot of the differences were really due to religion.

Iqta could possibly be applied to extremely exotic cultures beyond the Bone Mountains. Asshai and Yi Ti are possible candidates. It'd be nice to give the area some more personality, especially because there isn't much canon information.

Iqta took on some of the mechanics previously given to Islam. You get to hold temples and have decadence, I think. I'll have to look into exactly what differentiates the two.

 

[blackninja9939]

Iqta could possibly be applied to extremely exotic cultures beyond the Bone Mountains. Asshai and Yi Ti are possible candidates. It'd be nice to give the area some more personality, especially because there isn't much canon information.

Problem with that is we do not want to just give random cultures random differences just for the hell of it, they already have their actual cultural mechanics in place so just giving them a special government type for the hell of it with random differences from normal just cause we make it up is not what we want to do.

 

[Ols]

Problem with that is we do not want to just give random cultures random differences just for the hell of it, they already have their actual cultural mechanics in place so just giving them a special government type for the hell of it with random differences from normal just cause we make it up is not what we want to do.

True. Why do LPs have a different government type to everyone else though? What I'd prefer to do is to simply set a special government type (by renaming that) called feudal for Westeros, and have everything else called "Monarchy". One of the key differences should be that Westerosi should have very low demesne limits and be very restricted in the types of holdings they can have. Essosi Monarchies should be allowed to rule from city holdings, making the transition between republicanism and monarchism seamless. A semi-theocratic configuration for Norvos and possibly Yi Ti could allow for temples and either cities or castles to be held by the ruler, as well as locking in a specific succession type.

 

[blackninja9939]

True. Why do LPs have a different government type to everyone else though? What I'd prefer to do is to simply set a special government type (by renaming that) called feudal for Westeros, and have everything else called "Monarchy". One of the key differences should be that Westerosi should have very low demesne limits and be very restricted in the types of holdings they can have. Essosi Monarchies should be allowed to rule from city holdings, making the transition between republicanism and monarchism seamless. A semi-theocratic configuration for Norvos and possibly Yi Ti could allow for temples and either cities or castles to be held by the ruler, as well as locking in a specific succession type.

The LP government type is done for some special events and to have them be named LPs also you cannot actually tell the difference in game as they have the same government features and localisation. Having a complete duplicate government for Essos called Monarchy with the only change letting them hold castles is kinda pointless, there is no evidence they rule like that unless they are republics, also Norvos is ruled by a Theocracy not a king who also holds temples etc just ruled by their religious head. And Yi Ti is definitely not a theocracy of any kind?

 

[Ols]

The LP government type is done for some special events and to have them be named LPs also you cannot actually tell the difference in game as they have the same government features and localisation. Having a complete duplicate government for Essos called Monarchy with the only change letting them hold castles is kinda pointless, there is no evidence they rule like that unless they are republics, also Norvos is ruled by a Theocracy not a king who also holds temples etc just ruled by their religious head. And Yi Ti is definitely not a theocracy of any kind?

Norvos can't be played, though. Making a 'theocracy' government to make them playable would be logical. The point I was trying to make is that it's worthwhile to consider alternative government types across the map, rather than having every culture play in exactly the same way as the feudal Westerosi. As far as we know, the idea of having a complex system of feudal obligations is unique to Westeros, and isn't the case in despotic Essosi monarchies (which might tend to have a hereditary ruler and an appointed system of governors).

 

[mrstevehazzard]

I wouldn't mind seeing some varied mechanics for both government types and religions, especially for the lesser-known lands in Eastern Essos and Sothyros.

 

[Wandering Sentinel]

The point I was trying to make is that it's worthwhile to consider alternative government types across the map, rather than having every culture play in exactly the same way as the feudal Westerosi. As far as we know, the idea of having a complex system of feudal obligations is unique to Westeros, and isn't the case in despotic Essosi monarchies (which might tend to have a hereditary ruler and an appointed system of governors).

The ruling system of the Byzantine Empire and Holy Roman Empire in real life weren't exactly the same as each other, let alone the Rajas of India or the rulers of Russia, yet all of them are represented by the same feudal system in the vanilla gameplay. The major reason why the Iqta government type exists ingame is probably because it was vastly different than the predominantly feudal nations of Europe. In my opinion, adding a tribal government type to a few places makes sense, but adding a large number of governments with one or two differences adds complexity where it isn't needed. The LP government is the exception rather than the rule: I assume it exists mainly so the king-tier rulers under an emperor-tier ruler are given the title of Lord Paramount instead of King and to generally lock them out of crown laws that would undermine the authority of their liege, usually the Iron Throne, unless given a royal styling.

 

[Ols]

The ruling system of the Byzantine Empire and Holy Roman Empire in real life weren't exactly the same as each other, let alone the Rajas of India or the rulers of Russia, yet all of them are represented by the same feudal system in the vanilla gameplay. The major reason why the Iqta government type exists ingame is probably because it was vastly different than the predominantly feudal nations of Europe. In my opinion, adding a tribal government type to a few places makes sense, but adding a large number of governments with one or two differences adds complexity where it isn't needed. The LP government is the exception rather than the rule: I assume it exists mainly so the king-tier rulers under an emperor-tier ruler are given the title of Lord Paramount instead of King and to generally lock them out of crown laws that would undermine the authority of their liege, usually the Iron Throne, unless given a royal styling.

Probably so, yes. I'd still be interested in seeing Iqta adapted somewhere such as Far Essos or Sothoryos, though.

 

[HandicapdHippo]

Tribals are locked to the Old Gods if I remember correctly. Try to disable that one and see how it goes.

They aren't, tribal's where added with Charlemagne but are not DLC locked, mostly because if they where it would have made everyone who bought the Old gods suddenly unable to play the 90% of pagans who where converted to Tribal when Charlemagne came out.