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Most of Metz province in HOI was french at the time, also, if Mtez is german, then it gives them an exellent opportunity to attack belgium from the south, which they of course never did...


Allenby: My god! You mean that there are only three german subs?
Is there any way of sliding my research in here?

Also, to comfort you, if the library is open today, I´m off to see if I can find some Swedish commanders, which you are desperately short of.
 
Um... in case you hadn't realised, each sub unit in HoI and TGW represents approximately TEN submarines...

Germany had about 30 U-boats in January 1914, hence the three units. :)
 
ForgottenImmort said:
If so, how do you like the pictures?
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Yes, actually - a couple or so we already have, but the one of General Birdwood is definately worth putting in :)


Zuckergußgebäck said:
Also, to comfort you, if the library is open today, I´m off to see if I can find some Swedish commanders, which you are desperately short of.
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Jolly good then :)
 
Regia Marina (+ various)

Here is the Regia Marina order of battle, August 1914 (sorry for some possible imprecisions in the translation), as listed in: Franco Micali Baratelli, ‘La Marina Militare Italiana nella Vita Nazionale’, Mursia, Milano, 1983:

1) Comando in Capo dell’Armata Navale (High Command of the Armata):
-Corazzata (battleship) R.N. Regina Margherita;
-III Squadriglia Cacciatorpediniere ‘Cigno’ (3rd Destroyer Squadrilla ‘Cigno’).


2) Squadra da Battaglia (Battle Squadron)

I Divisione (1st Division):
-Corazzate (battleships) R.N. Dante Alighieri, R.N. Giulio Cesare, R.N. Leonardo da Vinci;
-Incrociatore Corazzato (battle cruiser) R.N. Nino Bixio;
-I Squadriglia Cacciatorpediniere ‘Animoso’ (1st Destroyer Squadrilla ‘Animoso’);
-II Squadriglia Cacciatorpediniere ‘Impavido’ (2nd Destroyer Squadrilla ‘Impavido’).
II Divisione (2nd Division):
- Corazzate (battleships) R.N. Vittorio Emanuele, R.N. Regina Elena, R.N. Roma, R.N. Napoli;
-Incrociatore Corazzato (battle cruiser) R.N. Quarto;
-V Squadriglia Cacciatorpediniere ‘Nembo’ (5th Destroyer Squadrilla ‘Nembo’).
IV Divisione (4th Division):
-Incrociatori Corazzati (battle cruisers) R.N. Pisa, R.N. Amalfi, R.N. San Giorgio, R.N. San Marco, R.N. Marsala;
-III Squadriglia Cacciatorpediniere ‘Artigliere’ (3rd Destroyer Squadrilla ‘Artigliere’).

Divisioni Aggregate (Aggregatd Divisions):
III Divisione (3rd Division):
-Corazzate (battleships) R.N. Benedetto Brin, R.N. Emanuele Filiberto, R.N. Amm. Di Saint-Bon;
-Incrociatore Protetto (medium cruiser) R.N. Agordat;
-VI Squadriglia Cacciatorpediniere ‘Euro’ (6th Destroyer Squadrilla ‘Euro’).
V Divisione (5th Division):
-Incrociatori Corazzati (battle cruisers) R.N. Vettor Pisani, R.N. Varese, R.N. Francesco Ferruccio, R.N. Carlo Alberto;
-Incrociatore Protetto (medium cruiser) R.N. Libia;
-Topediniere (light destroyers): 6 units.

Siluranti a Disposizione del Comando in Capo (Torpedocrafts Available to HQ):
-II Squadriglia Cacciatorpediniere ‘Airone’ (2nd Destroyer Squadrilla ‘Airone’);
-V Squadriglia Cacciatorpediniere ‘Calipso’ (5th Destroyer Squadrilla ‘Calipso’).
-Navi Ausiliarie (auxiliary ships): 10 units.


3) Ispettorato Siluranti (Torpedocraft Inspectorship)

-Squadriglie Torpediniere (Light Destroyer Squadrillas): IV ‘Carabiniere’, I ‘Olimpia’, VI ’19 O.S.’, VII ’25 A.S.’, VIII ’35 P.N.’, IX ’13 O.S.’, X ’2 P.N.’, XI ’9 P.N.’;
-Squadriglie Sommergibili (Submarine Squadrillas): I ‘Jalea’, II ‘Medusa’, III ‘Nereide’, IV ‘Squalo’ (summing up a total of 20 deployed units).
-Navi Ausiliarie (auxiliary ships): 1 unit.


4) Forze Navali nelle Colonie e Possedimenti (Naval Forces for Colonies and Possessions)

-in Aegean Sea: 1 auxiliary unit;
-in Tripoli: 4 light destroyers, 1 auxiliary unit;
-in Tobruch: 2 light destroyers, 1 auxiliary unit;
-in Red Sea: 3 auxiliary units;
-in Albania: R.N. Dandolo (cruiser or destroyer?), 1 light destroyer, 1 auxiliary unit.

5) Forse Navali all’Estero (Naval Forces in Foreign Seas)
-in East (?): 1 auxiliary unit;
-in Far East (?): 3 auxiliary units;
-in navigation: Incrociatore Protetto (medium cruiser) R.N. Calabria.

6) Various (works, contruction, reserve, various duties)
Dipartimento di La Spezia (La Spezia Department):
-Corazzate in costruzione (battleships under construction) R.N. Caio Duilio, R.N. Andrea Doria, R.N. Conte di Cavour;
-Corazzate (battleships) R.N. Sicilia, R.N. Sardegna;
-Navi ausiliarie (auxiliary ships): 11 units.
Dipartimento di Napoli (Napoli Department):
-Incrociatori Protetti (medium cruisers) R.N. Basilicata, R.N. Campania;
-Navi ausiliarie (auxiliary ships): 3 units.
Dipartimento di Taranto (Taranto Department):
-Incrociatori Protetti (medium cruisers) R.N. Etruria, R.N. Coatit, R.N. Tripoli, R.N. Iride, R.N. Bausan (? Not confirmed, might be a destroyer);
-Torpediniere (Light Destroyers): 2 or 3 units (not clear);
-Navi ausiliarie (auxiliary ships): 8 or 9 units (not clear).
Dipartimento di Venezia (Venezia Department):
-Incrociatori Corazzati (battle cruisers) R.N. Giuseppe Garibaldi, R.N. Piemonte;
-Incrociatore Protetto (medium cruiser) R.N. Goito;
-Topediniere (light destroyers): 3 units;
-Navi ausiliarie (auxiliary ships): 2 units.



One year later (1915), but when Italy was still neutral, the ‘Annuario Navale’ (Lega Navale, Roma, 1915), reports the following list of italian ships:

1) Ready Ships:
Battleships: 13
Battle Cruisers: 10
Explorers: 3
Light Cruisers: 10
Destroyers: 33
Light Destroyers (torpedocrafts): 65
Submarines: 20
Auxiliary ships: 48

2) Ships under construction:
-3 Battleships almost ready: R.N. Andrea Doria, R.N. Caio Duilio, R.N. Conte di Cavour;
-4 Battleships starting works in 1914 (probably these were aborted as soon as Italy declared war to Austria-Hungary): R.N. Caracciolo, R.N. Cristoforo Colombo, R.N. Marcantonio Colonna, R.N. Francesco Morosini (8x381 mm naval guns, 29.000 tons, 300 mm armour);
-16 Destroyers just starting works (I ignore wether some were accomplished or not), 3 of them 1540 tons, the others (classes Poerio, Mosto and Pilo) 700 tons.
-8 submarines under construction.


With the occasion, I have found a few names to be added to the italian commanders list:

NAVY
-Amero D’Aste Stella: admiral rank 2 or 3;
-Borea-Ricci: vice-admiral rank 3, or admiral rank 2;
-Savoia-Abruzzi: admiral rank 2 or 3.

ARMY
-Cantore: maj. general rank 2 or 3, commando and offensive doctrine;
-Ameglio: maj. or lt. general rank 2 or 3, commando and/or logistical wizard.

Please note that italian commanders by now are too few, have no specializations, and are even worser in rank than those of WWII! After all, they defeated Austrians on ground, sea and sky, with really little help from other countries.
 
yeah, well I've noticed alot of your pictures don't show up in the game. Like von Bojna, a level 4 austrian lt. general doesn't have his picture show up, but in the pic file it is in there.

If you want any career history of Sukru, Kazim, etc then I can provide it.

I added a new von Sanders pic because I don't like your one, its too european-looking. I like the one with him in a fez better.
 
Most of Metz province in HOI was french at the time, also, if Mtez is german, then it gives them an exellent opportunity to attack belgium from the south, which they of course never did...
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I came roughly to the same conclusion, game balancing reasons, it just looks funky (that is the franco-german border) because the providences are so big. But game playbility is more important that a historical map.
 
Serbia

1914 August

Commander-in-Chief: prince Aleksander
Chief of Staff: vojvoda Putnik

420 597 soldiers - around 250 000 in frontline units, around 150 000 in rear echelon guarding Albanian and Bulgarian border
71 200 horses
65 700 ox



1st Army
Commander: General Petar Bojovic
Chief of Staff: Colonel Bozidar Terzic
Timok Infantry Division I
Timok Infantry Division II (reserve)
Morava Infantry Division II (reserve)
Cavalry Division
Branicevo detachment

2nd Army
Commander: General Stepa Stepanovic
Chief of Staff: Colonel Vojislav Zivanovic
Sumadia Infantry Division I
Danub Infantry Division I
Mixed Division I
Morava Infantry Division I
3rd Army
Commander: General Pavle Jurisic-Sturm
Chief of Staff: Colonel Dusan Pesic
Drina Infantry Division I
Drina Infantry Division II (reserve)
detachments guarding Drina river:
Obrenovac detachment 6 infantry battalions
1 cavalry troop
2 artillery batteries
Sabac detachment 8 infantry battalions
1 cavalry troop
2 artillery batteries
Loznica and Lesnia detachments 6 infantry battalions
1 cavalry troop
3 artillery batteries
Ljubovije detachment 2 infantry battalions III
1 artillery battery
Debelo Brdo detachment 1 infantry battalion III
Jadar Chetnik detachment
Commander: V. Popovic
500 chetniks
Rudnik Chetnik detachment
Commander: V. Tankosica
500 chetniks

Uzice Army
Commander: General Milos Bozanovic
Sumadia Infantry Division I
Uzice brigade
Lim detachment
Gornjacki Chetnik detachment
Commander: V. Vemic
500 chetniks
Zlatibor Chetnik detachment
Commander: K. Todorovic
750 chetniks
three detachments covering Drina river





Montenegro

August 1914



Commander-in-Chief: King Nikola
Chief of Staff: General Bozidar Jankovic

HQ in Cetinje

Pljevalja division
Brigadier Luka Gojnic
10 battalions, around 6000 soldiers, east from Pljevalja
Herzegovina detachment
serdar Janko Vukotic
15 battalions, around 15000 soldiers, on border with Herzegovina
Lovcen detachment
divizijar Mitja Martinovic
18 battalions, around 8000 soldiers, in area of Lovcen and Sutorman
Starosrbijanski detachment
Brigadier Radomir Vesovic
13 battalions, around 6000 soldiers, securing Albanian border

Now I know its not janury but I think those levels of troops cant be reached at all in TGW with Serbia so somethings wrong.Also you might wanna make land convoys to Montenegro from Serbia(serbia trained most of montenegros oficers and equiped parts of their army).It might solve the problem of disapearing divisions.
 
There appears to be a few ships missing from the OBs.

Three German cruisers are missing: Mainz and Köln of the Kolberg class launched in 1909 and commissioned not too long after that. I'm not sure why they were left out, but they were both sunk at the Battle of the Bight on August 28th 1914 - that could expain their absense.

Additionally, two Japanese Yodo class cruisers are missing from their OB: Yodo herself and Mogami, launched in 1907 and 1908 respectively. I'll put them into the squadrons with their sister ships, but if anyone has a copy of Conway's hanging around, then the commission dates can be checked, and if anyone has information on where they were in 1914, then that would be a great help.
 
Not sure why the two (three?) German ships were missed out - although Conways spells the second as Cöln, not Köln.

As for the two Japanese ships, however, they've been included in the destroyer flotillas, rather than being rated as cruisers. To quote Conways:
"Rated as dispatch boats, these ships became obsolete with the advent of radio communications... Both were reclassified as gunboats in 1912." They were armed with two 4.7" and four 3.1" guns and two torpedo tubes.
 
StephenT said:
Not sure why the two (three?) German ships were missed out - although Conways spells the second as Cöln, not Köln.
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On that Conway's must be wrong. The city is called Köln so should the ship be.

Marc aka Carn...
 
I would suggest an understrength swedish infantry division with an artillery brigade in Luleå, its name should be:

Kungl Bodens artilleriregemente

also, perhaps a understrenght engineer brigade:

Kungl Bodens ingenjörregemente
 
I think we can use the Kgl. Bodens artilleriregemente.

It simply means: Royal Bodens artillery regiment
 
I'd take out the word 'regiment'. The AI or player could bump it up to full strength which would result in a 15-20,000 strong 'regiment'. Needless to say, that's bonkers.
 
OK, but add this to the name 'Bodens garnison': (A8/Fo 63)

A8/Fo 63 is the official military term for

1. The artillery of Boden
2. The defensive area surrounding it (I.E. Military sector)
 
Zuckergußgebäck said:
OK, but add this to the name 'Bodens garnison': (A8/Fo 63)

A8/Fo 63 is the official military term for

1. The artillery of Boden
2. The defensive area surrounding it (I.E. Military sector)
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Actually, A8/Fo63 was not used since the "Försvarsområde 63" or Fo63 were not introduced until WW2. The term "Försvarsområde" was also used during WW1 and these were named Norrbottens, Gävleborgs, Norra Upplands och Norrköpings Försvarsområden.

During the First World War so was the troops located in the north labeled as "Bodens Trupper" and included I19, A8 and Ing4.

All Swedish Army units were:

I. Armefördelningen (regiments: I11, I16, I24, I25, K5, K6, K7, A3, T4)
II. Armefördelningen (regiments: I4, I5, I12, I21, K4, A6, T6)
III. Armefördelningen (regiments: I9, I15, I6, I17, K3, A2, A10, Ing2, T2)
IV. Armefördelningen (regiments: I1, I2, I3, I10, I26, K1, A1, A9, Ing1, Ing3, T1)
V. Armefördelningen (regiments: I8, I18, I13, I22)
VI. Armefördelningen (regiments: I14, I23, I20, I28, K8, A4, T3)
Bodens Trupper (regiments: I19, A8, Ing4)
Gotlands Trupper (regiments: I27, A7)

Source: Sveriges armeförband under 1900-talet by Christian Braunstein, published 2003.
 
So what do you suggest?
What name should we use?
 
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