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0.3 would mean that there were no Allied troops at all to defend East Africa or the Congo, so the Germans in East Africa could go on a conquering spree. For gameplay reasons if nothing else I'd set the cap at 0.25.
We might also need to consider putting garrisons in key strategic points like Gibraltar and Singapore for the AI's benefit, even though historically the garrision of these places was only 0.16 division.
We might also need to consider putting garrisons in key strategic points like Gibraltar and Singapore for the AI's benefit, even though historically the garrision of these places was only 0.16 division.
On a different note, time for some more ships - the Imperial Russian Navy.
If anyone knows the proper terms in Russian for the different fleets, please chip in!
name = "Baltic Fleet"
leader = Essen
location = 788
Ships
name = "Tsesarevich" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Slava" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Andrei Pervozvanny" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Imperator Pavel I" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Admiral Makarov" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Bayan" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Pallada" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Rurik" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Bogatyr" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Oleg" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Aurora" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Diana" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Rossia" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Gromoboi" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 2
name = "2. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "3. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "4. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "5. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "Baltic Submarine Flotilla"
leader = ?
location = 788
Ships
name = "1. Flotilla" type = submarine model = 1
name = "Black Sea Fleet"
leader = Eberhard
location = 862
Ships
name = "Tri Svititelia" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Rostislav" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Pantelimon" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Evstafi" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Ioann Zlatoust" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Kagul" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Pamiat Merkuria" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "6. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 2
name = "7. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "Black Sea Submarine Flotilla"
leader = ?
location = 862
Ships
name = "2. Flotilla" type = submarine model = 1
name = "Siberian Flotilla"
leader = Schultz
location = 1663
Ships
name = "Askold" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Zhemchug" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "8. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "9. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
***capital ships under construction***
name = "Sevastopol" type = battleship model = 1
[ready November 1914 - Leningrad]
name = "Petropavlovsk" type = battleship model = 1
[ready December 1914 - Leningrad]
name = "Poltava" type = battleship model = 1
[ready December 1914 - Leningrad]
name = "Gangut" type = battleship model = 1
[ready December 1914 - Leningrad]
name = "Imperatritsa Mariya" type = battleship model = 1
[ready July 1915 - Sevastopol]
name = "Imp. Ekaterina Velikaya" type = battleship model = 1
[ready July 1915 - Sevastopol]
name = "Imperator Alexander III" type = battleship model = 1
[ready June 1917 - Sevastopol]
# Sergei Eisenstein film fans note that the Black Sea Fleet ship "Pantelimon" is the Battleship Potemkin under a new name (given by the Tsarist authorities to hide the 'shame' of its mutiny in 1905.)
If anyone knows the proper terms in Russian for the different fleets, please chip in!
name = "Baltic Fleet"
leader = Essen
location = 788
Ships
name = "Tsesarevich" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Slava" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Andrei Pervozvanny" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Imperator Pavel I" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Admiral Makarov" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Bayan" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Pallada" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Rurik" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Bogatyr" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Oleg" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Aurora" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Diana" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Rossia" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Gromoboi" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 2
name = "2. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "3. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "4. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "5. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "Baltic Submarine Flotilla"
leader = ?
location = 788
Ships
name = "1. Flotilla" type = submarine model = 1
name = "Black Sea Fleet"
leader = Eberhard
location = 862
Ships
name = "Tri Svititelia" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Rostislav" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Pantelimon" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Evstafi" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Ioann Zlatoust" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Kagul" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Pamiat Merkuria" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "6. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 2
name = "7. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "Black Sea Submarine Flotilla"
leader = ?
location = 862
Ships
name = "2. Flotilla" type = submarine model = 1
name = "Siberian Flotilla"
leader = Schultz
location = 1663
Ships
name = "Askold" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Zhemchug" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "8. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "9. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
***capital ships under construction***
name = "Sevastopol" type = battleship model = 1
[ready November 1914 - Leningrad]
name = "Petropavlovsk" type = battleship model = 1
[ready December 1914 - Leningrad]
name = "Poltava" type = battleship model = 1
[ready December 1914 - Leningrad]
name = "Gangut" type = battleship model = 1
[ready December 1914 - Leningrad]
name = "Imperatritsa Mariya" type = battleship model = 1
[ready July 1915 - Sevastopol]
name = "Imp. Ekaterina Velikaya" type = battleship model = 1
[ready July 1915 - Sevastopol]
name = "Imperator Alexander III" type = battleship model = 1
[ready June 1917 - Sevastopol]
# Sergei Eisenstein film fans note that the Black Sea Fleet ship "Pantelimon" is the Battleship Potemkin under a new name (given by the Tsarist authorities to hide the 'shame' of its mutiny in 1905.)
.3 was just a number I made up. .25 works fine. The idea is to get rid of the huge numbers of easily reinforceable divisions across the world.
Steele
Steele
if you give me your resources and previous work, then I will build a complete German OOB for you. I am sure that your's still has many errors, because you are not able to speak German. So I could do some deeper research then you.
Anyways it would be an honor for me to help you with this mod
Anyways it would be an honor for me to help you with this mod
Originally posted by Deserteur
if you give me your resources and previous work, then I will build a complete German OOB for you. I am sure that your's still has many errors, because you are not able to speak German. So I could do some deeper research then you.
Anyways it would be an honor for me to help you with this mod
Well, I do speak German,
at least in terms of the German military language. I've used http://www.tulip.org/academy/gew/ddrob.htm and to some degree http://www.users.hunterlink.net.au/~maampo/militaer/milindex.html and last but not least, my knowledge of your language to translate this to German. If you have better sources, sure, go ahead and make a better OOB, if you "only" mean that you would like to help and translate, it could wait until the first alpha version.
/Johan
Drawing back on the British troops in India, the 'princely armies' which were volunteered into service were called: Imperial Service Troops and were formed into brigades. They could appear as .3/.25 strength militia divisions.
As an aside, I would downgrade forces as fractions of a divisionh to militia becuase they are isolated battalions which are without proper artillery, staff and other supporting arms which combine to make a division far more than the sum of its rifle strength.
Alternatively they could be a regular infantry which needed to be upgraded to have the equivalent stats of a standard brigade, perhaps being a tech level below the standard, much as the Austrian armies are with Germany after the Anschluss. This would mean that with investment, in heavy weapons and such like they can be brought up to scratch, becuase their infantry is just as good.
As an aside, I would downgrade forces as fractions of a divisionh to militia becuase they are isolated battalions which are without proper artillery, staff and other supporting arms which combine to make a division far more than the sum of its rifle strength.
Alternatively they could be a regular infantry which needed to be upgraded to have the equivalent stats of a standard brigade, perhaps being a tech level below the standard, much as the Austrian armies are with Germany after the Anschluss. This would mean that with investment, in heavy weapons and such like they can be brought up to scratch, becuase their infantry is just as good.
If we can code it, then I'd suggest your second option - a lot of the British troops in the colonies were reinforced (or combined) up to division strength and brought back to Europe to fight in Flanders. However, having to upgrade their tech first is a good idea.
Stephen,
I agree, they were good infantry, but obviuously the absence of heavy equipment is a severe hindrance.
I agree, they were good infantry, but obviuously the absence of heavy equipment is a severe hindrance.
More ships: the United States Navy.
While the ship names and types should be accurate, it was surprisingly hard to find any information on how they were deployed in 1914 - much of what comes below is therefore guesswork, especially for the cruisers. I couldn't find any leader names, either. If anyone has more accurate information please post it!
name = "Atlantic Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 181
Ships
name = "Delaware" type = battleship model = 1
name = "North Dakota" type = battleship model = 1
name = "Florida" type = battleship model = 1
name = "Utah" type = battleship model = 1
name = "Wyoming" type = battleship model = 1
name = "Arkansas" type = battleship model = 1
name = "Maine" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Missouri" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Ohio" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Nebraska" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Georgia" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Louisiana" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Vermont" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Minnesota" type = battleship model = 0
name = "South Carolina" type = battleship model = 0
name = "New Hampshire" type = battleship model = 0
name = "North Carolina" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Montana" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Des Moines" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Chattanooga" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Galveston" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Tacoma" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Cleveland" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Maryland" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Cincinnati" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Raleigh" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Montgomery" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Marblehead" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "New Orleans" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Albany" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "2. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "3. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "Submarine Flotilla"
leader = ?
location = 204
Ships
name = "1. Flotilla" type = submarine model = 1
name = "Atlantic Reserve Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 177
Ships
name = "Iowa" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Kearsarge" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Kentucky" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Illinois" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Alabama" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Wisconsin" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Mississippi" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Idaho" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Brooklyn" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Colombia" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Minneapolis" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. TB Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "2. TB Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "3. TB Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "Caribbean Squadron"
leader = ?
location = 204
Ships
name = "Virginia" type = battleship model = 0
name = "New Jersey" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Connecticut" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Rhode Island" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Kansas" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Michigan" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Chester" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Birmingham" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Salem" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "4. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "Pacific Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 92
Ships
name = "California" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Tennessee" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "South Dakota" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Washington" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "West Virginia" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Colorado" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "St Louis" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Milwaukee" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Charleston" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "5. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "Asiatic Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 1804
Ships
name = "Saratoga" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Pittsburgh" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Denver" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "6. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 2
***capital ships under construction***
name = "Texas" type = battleship model = 2
[ready March 1914]
name = "New York" type = battleship model = 2
[ready April 1914]
name = "Nevada" type = battleship model = 2
[ready March 1916]
name = "Oklahoma" type = battleship model = 2
[ready May 1916]
name = "Pennsylvania" type = battleship model = 2
[ready June 1916]
...and that completes the navies of the major powers!
Now we just need to do the minor countries, like Sweden
While the ship names and types should be accurate, it was surprisingly hard to find any information on how they were deployed in 1914 - much of what comes below is therefore guesswork, especially for the cruisers. I couldn't find any leader names, either. If anyone has more accurate information please post it!
name = "Atlantic Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 181
Ships
name = "Delaware" type = battleship model = 1
name = "North Dakota" type = battleship model = 1
name = "Florida" type = battleship model = 1
name = "Utah" type = battleship model = 1
name = "Wyoming" type = battleship model = 1
name = "Arkansas" type = battleship model = 1
name = "Maine" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Missouri" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Ohio" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Nebraska" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Georgia" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Louisiana" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Vermont" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Minnesota" type = battleship model = 0
name = "South Carolina" type = battleship model = 0
name = "New Hampshire" type = battleship model = 0
name = "North Carolina" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Montana" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Des Moines" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Chattanooga" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Galveston" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Tacoma" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Cleveland" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Maryland" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Cincinnati" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Raleigh" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Montgomery" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Marblehead" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "New Orleans" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Albany" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "2. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "3. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "Submarine Flotilla"
leader = ?
location = 204
Ships
name = "1. Flotilla" type = submarine model = 1
name = "Atlantic Reserve Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 177
Ships
name = "Iowa" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Kearsarge" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Kentucky" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Illinois" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Alabama" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Wisconsin" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Mississippi" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Idaho" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Brooklyn" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Colombia" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Minneapolis" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. TB Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "2. TB Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "3. TB Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "Caribbean Squadron"
leader = ?
location = 204
Ships
name = "Virginia" type = battleship model = 0
name = "New Jersey" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Connecticut" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Rhode Island" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Kansas" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Michigan" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Chester" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Birmingham" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Salem" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "4. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "Pacific Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 92
Ships
name = "California" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Tennessee" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "South Dakota" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Washington" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "West Virginia" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Colorado" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "St Louis" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Milwaukee" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Charleston" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "5. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "Asiatic Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 1804
Ships
name = "Saratoga" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Pittsburgh" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Denver" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "6. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 2
***capital ships under construction***
name = "Texas" type = battleship model = 2
[ready March 1914]
name = "New York" type = battleship model = 2
[ready April 1914]
name = "Nevada" type = battleship model = 2
[ready March 1916]
name = "Oklahoma" type = battleship model = 2
[ready May 1916]
name = "Pennsylvania" type = battleship model = 2
[ready June 1916]
...and that completes the navies of the major powers!
Now we just need to do the minor countries, like Sweden
Originally posted by Johan Elisson
Well, I do speak German,
I've used http://www.tulip.org/academy/gew/ddrob.htm and to some degree http://www.users.hunterlink.net.au/~maampo/militaer/milindex.html and last but not least, my knowledge of your language to translate this to German. If you have better sources, sure, go ahead and make a better OOB, if you "only" mean that you would like to help and translate, it could wait until the first alpha version.
/Johan
ok then. could you please send me your current OOB to my email address? I have sent it to you via private message.
Some of the minor navies now. Unfortunately, I have a complete lack of leader names, and some of the fleet names are a bit dodgy too. The ships should be correct, though.
OTTOMAN EMPIRE
name = "Ottoman Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 873
Ships
name = "Heireddin Barbarossa" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Torgud Reis" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Hamidieh" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Medjidieh" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "2. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
***capital ships under construction***
name = "Resadiye" type = battleship model = 1
[ready August 1914]
See also my post in the "Events" thread for the Sultan Osman I (battleship type 1), Yavuz Sultan Selim (battlecruiser type 1) and Midilli (cruiser type 1).
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SWEDEN
name = "Svenska Marinen"
leader = ?
location = 654
Ships
name = "Svea" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Göta" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Thule" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Oden" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Thor" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Niord" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Dristigheten" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Äran" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Wasa" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Tapperheten" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Manligheten" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Oscar II" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Fylgia" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "2. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "3. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "4. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "Submarine Flotilla"
leader = ?
location = 2160
Ships
name = "1. Flotilla" type = submarine model = 1
***capital ship under construction***
name = "Sverige" type = battleship model = 0
[ready May 1917]
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DENMARK
name = "Søværnet"
leader = ?
location = 594
Ships
name = "Peder Skram" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Herluf Trolle" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Olfert Fischer" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Iver Hvitfeldt" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Heimdal" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Geiser" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Hekla" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Valkyrien" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "2. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "Submarine Flotilla"
leader = ?
location = 594
Ships
name = "1. Flotilla" type = submarine model = 1
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NORWAY
name = "Sjøforsvaret"
leader = ?
location = 664
Ships
name = "Norge" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Eidsvold" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Harald Haarfagre" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Tordenskjold" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Viking" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "2. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "3. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
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NETHERLANDS
name = "Koninklijke Marine"
leader = ?
location = 550
Ships
name = "De Zeven Provincien" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Kortenaer" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Marten H. Tromp" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Holland" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Zeeland" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Noord Brabant" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "2. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "East Indies Squadron"
leader = ?
location = 1950
Ships
name = "Koningin Regentes" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "De Ruyter" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Hertog Hendrik" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "3. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "West Indies Squadron"
leader = ?
location = 283
Ships
name = "Jacob van Heemskerck" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Friesland" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Gelderland" type = cruiser model = 0
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BELGIUM
No ships (other than transports)
OTTOMAN EMPIRE
name = "Ottoman Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 873
Ships
name = "Heireddin Barbarossa" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Torgud Reis" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Hamidieh" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Medjidieh" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "2. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
***capital ships under construction***
name = "Resadiye" type = battleship model = 1
[ready August 1914]
See also my post in the "Events" thread for the Sultan Osman I (battleship type 1), Yavuz Sultan Selim (battlecruiser type 1) and Midilli (cruiser type 1).
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SWEDEN
name = "Svenska Marinen"
leader = ?
location = 654
Ships
name = "Svea" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Göta" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Thule" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Oden" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Thor" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Niord" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Dristigheten" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Äran" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Wasa" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Tapperheten" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Manligheten" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Oscar II" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Fylgia" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "2. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "3. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "4. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "Submarine Flotilla"
leader = ?
location = 2160
Ships
name = "1. Flotilla" type = submarine model = 1
***capital ship under construction***
name = "Sverige" type = battleship model = 0
[ready May 1917]
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DENMARK
name = "Søværnet"
leader = ?
location = 594
Ships
name = "Peder Skram" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Herluf Trolle" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Olfert Fischer" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Iver Hvitfeldt" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Heimdal" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Geiser" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Hekla" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Valkyrien" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "2. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "Submarine Flotilla"
leader = ?
location = 594
Ships
name = "1. Flotilla" type = submarine model = 1
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NORWAY
name = "Sjøforsvaret"
leader = ?
location = 664
Ships
name = "Norge" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Eidsvold" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Harald Haarfagre" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Tordenskjold" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Viking" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "2. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "3. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
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NETHERLANDS
name = "Koninklijke Marine"
leader = ?
location = 550
Ships
name = "De Zeven Provincien" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Kortenaer" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Marten H. Tromp" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Holland" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Zeeland" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Noord Brabant" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "2. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "East Indies Squadron"
leader = ?
location = 1950
Ships
name = "Koningin Regentes" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "De Ruyter" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Hertog Hendrik" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "3. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "West Indies Squadron"
leader = ?
location = 283
Ships
name = "Jacob van Heemskerck" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Friesland" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Gelderland" type = cruiser model = 0
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BELGIUM
No ships (other than transports)
what is to be done with the Resadiyeh and Sultan Osman I? They were being built in British shipyards, and someone made an interesting post in the events section concerning their seizure by the Admiralty. If they are put in the Turkish construction list, when they are completed, the player will be forced to comission them in Turkish shores, which, considering the background to the situation would hardly be realistic.
It may not seem important enough to make as an event but I think special attention should be made to what happened.
It may not seem important enough to make as an event but I think special attention should be made to what happened.
The rest of the European navies.
PORTUGAL
name = "Portuguese Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 975
Ships
name = "Adamastor" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "São Gabriel" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Almirante Reis" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Republica" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
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SPAIN
name = "Spanish Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 959
Ships
name = "España" type = battleship model = 1
name = "Pelayo" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Infanta Isabel" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Emperador Carlos V" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Princesa de Asturias" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Cataluña" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Rio de la Plata" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Estramadura" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Reina Regente" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
***capital ships under construction***
name = "Alfonso XIII" type = battleship model = 1
[ready August 1915]
name = "Jaime I" type = battleship model = 1
[ready December 1921 - would have been late 1917 but delayed by war]
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GREECE
name = "Greek Fleet"
leader = Kondouriotis
location = 891
Ships
name = "Averof" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Helle" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Hydra" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Spetsai" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Psara" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "2. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
***capital ships under construction***
name = "Kilkis" type = battleship model = 0
[ready June 1914]
name = "Limnos" type = battleship model = 0
[ready June 1914]
name = "Salamis" type = battleship model = 2
[ready March 1915 - see below]
Kilkis and Limnos were bought from the USA, so this could be represented by an event if desired rather than just putting them in the Greek construction pool. (They were originally called Mississippi and Idaho)
Salamis was being built in Germany, and construction was cancelled by the Germans after war began. Again, this could be an event.
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BULGARIA
name = "Bulgarian Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 869
Ships
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
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RUMANIA
name = "Maritime Division"
leader = ?
location = 761
Ships
name = "Elisabeta" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
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The Montenegran navy consisted of the Royal Yacht Rumija, which was armed, but doesn't exactly merit a unit of its own in HoI
As previously explained, Switzerland, Luxemburg and Serbia didn't have navies...
Neither did the Vatican. (though in previous centuries, the Pope's navy under Admiral Colonna did defeat the Ottomans... Those days were gone by 1914, sadly.)
PORTUGAL
name = "Portuguese Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 975
Ships
name = "Adamastor" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "São Gabriel" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Almirante Reis" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Republica" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
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SPAIN
name = "Spanish Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 959
Ships
name = "España" type = battleship model = 1
name = "Pelayo" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Infanta Isabel" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Emperador Carlos V" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Princesa de Asturias" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Cataluña" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Rio de la Plata" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Estramadura" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Reina Regente" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
***capital ships under construction***
name = "Alfonso XIII" type = battleship model = 1
[ready August 1915]
name = "Jaime I" type = battleship model = 1
[ready December 1921 - would have been late 1917 but delayed by war]
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GREECE
name = "Greek Fleet"
leader = Kondouriotis
location = 891
Ships
name = "Averof" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Helle" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Hydra" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Spetsai" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Psara" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "2. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
***capital ships under construction***
name = "Kilkis" type = battleship model = 0
[ready June 1914]
name = "Limnos" type = battleship model = 0
[ready June 1914]
name = "Salamis" type = battleship model = 2
[ready March 1915 - see below]
Kilkis and Limnos were bought from the USA, so this could be represented by an event if desired rather than just putting them in the Greek construction pool. (They were originally called Mississippi and Idaho)
Salamis was being built in Germany, and construction was cancelled by the Germans after war began. Again, this could be an event.
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BULGARIA
name = "Bulgarian Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 869
Ships
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
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RUMANIA
name = "Maritime Division"
leader = ?
location = 761
Ships
name = "Elisabeta" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
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The Montenegran navy consisted of the Royal Yacht Rumija, which was armed, but doesn't exactly merit a unit of its own in HoI
As previously explained, Switzerland, Luxemburg and Serbia didn't have navies...
Neither did the Vatican.
(though in previous centuries, the Pope's navy under Admiral Colonna did defeat the Ottomans... Those days were gone by 1914, sadly.)
Love the flag colors with the names StephenT, quite inventive of you.
A armed royal yacht, huh? I say make it a super battleship and let the world tremble at the might of the armed yacht!
A armed royal yacht, huh? I say make it a super battleship and let the world tremble at the might of the armed yacht!
Allenby,
i agree, I have been thinking about Turkish entry to the war in terms of a event chain. One which would include the Geoben and Breslau and the formation of the Yilderim force. I envisage mistily, a series of events with some potential for variation.
I don't believe the Turkish had much room for manoeuvre.
Alliance with Britain would have been virtually impossible because of the Russian Empire's continual desire for ownership of the Bosporus and Constantinople. Great Britain was effectively appeasing Russia so that pressure on Central Asia could be reduced, but certainly with a great deal of reluctance, as the neutrality of the Bosporus straits was the central theme to British foreign policy in the 19th century. Given the continual antagonism between the Russian and Ottoman Empires, any situation with the two alongside each other would be rather miraculous.
Considering the large German business interest in Turkey, including the Berlin-Baghdad railway and the infamous visit of the Kaiser to Jerusalem in 1898, I would suggest that this situation is evented so that if Turkey is to join any alliance at all, it is almost certain that the player is compelled to join the Central Powers or stay neutral.
Alliance with Britain would have been virtually impossible because of the Russian Empire's continual desire for ownership of the Bosporus and Constantinople. Great Britain was effectively appeasing Russia so that pressure on Central Asia could be reduced, but certainly with a great deal of reluctance, as the neutrality of the Bosporus straits was the central theme to British foreign policy in the 19th century. Given the continual antagonism between the Russian and Ottoman Empires, any situation with the two alongside each other would be rather miraculous.
Considering the large German business interest in Turkey, including the Berlin-Baghdad railway and the infamous visit of the Kaiser to Jerusalem in 1898, I would suggest that this situation is evented so that if Turkey is to join any alliance at all, it is almost certain that the player is compelled to join the Central Powers or stay neutral.
Actually, as stated in Fromkin's A Peace to End All Peace, the Ottoman Empire could have gone either way; it chose Germany because it was able to gain massive concessions from the Germans which it would not have been able to find with the Allies.
Indeed, I've read the book, but still came to the conclusion that Turkey was most certain to join the Central Powers, even though Turkey had been an ally of Great Britain throughout much of the 19th century.
<sings> and now, the end is near... </sings>
All remaining navies:
ARGENTINA
name = "Argentine Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 384
Ships
name = "Almirante Brown" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Independencia" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Libertad" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "25 de Mayo" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "9 de Julio" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Buenos Aires" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "General Garibaldi" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "General Belgrano" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "General San Martin" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "General Pueyrredon" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
***capital ships under construction***
name = "Rivadavia" type = battleship model = 1
[ready December 1914]
name = "Moreno" type = battleship model = 1
[ready March 1915]
# both ships built in the USA
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BRAZIL
name = "Brazilian Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 356
Ships
name = "Minas Gerais" type = battleship model = 1
name = "Sao Paulo" type = battleship model = 1
name = "Marshal Deodoro" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Marshal Floriano" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Bahia" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Rio Grande do Sul" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Almirante Tamandare" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Benjamin Constant" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Republica" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Almirante Barrozo" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "2. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
***capital ships under construction***
name = "Rio de Janeiro" type = battleship model = 1
[ready August 1914]
# Sold to Turkey in January 1914 (then confiscated by Britain.) See Events thread for more details.
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CHILE
name = "Chilean Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 372
Ships
name = "Capitan Prat" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Esmeralda" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "O'Higgins" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Presidente Errazuriz" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Blanco Encalada" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Ministro Zenteno" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Chacabuco" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "2. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "3. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
***capital ships under construction***
name = "Almirante Latorre" type = battleship model = 1
[ready September 1915]
# Sold to Britain in mid-1915, became HMS Canada
name = "Almirante Cochrane" type = battleship model = 1
[ready early 1918]
# Also sold to Britain in late 1917, converted to the aircraft carrier HMS Eagle (completed April 1920)
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PERU
name = "Peruvian Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 335
Ships
name = "Almirante Grau" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Coronel Bolognesi" type = cruiser model = 1
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COLOMBIA
name = "Colombian Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 281
Ships
name = "Almirante Lezo" type = cruiser model = 0
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MEXICO
name = "Mexican Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 238
Ships
name = "Zaragosa" type = cruiser model = 0
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SIAM
name = "Royal Siamese Navy"
leader = ?
location = 1744
Ships
name = "Maha Chakri" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
# Maha Chakri was another armed royal yacht, but this one had four 120mm cannon, ten 6-pounder guns, and a 50mm thick armour-plated deck...
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CHINA
# allocation of ships between fleets is pure guesswork.
name = "Northern Fleet"
leader = Huang Chung Ying
location = 1625
Ships
name = "Hai Chou" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Chao Ho" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "Central Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 1697
Ships
name = "Hai Chi" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Hai Tan" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Southern Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 1704
Ships
name = "Hai Yung" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Ying Swei" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "2. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
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...and that's a wrap.
All remaining navies:
ARGENTINA
name = "Argentine Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 384
Ships
name = "Almirante Brown" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Independencia" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Libertad" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "25 de Mayo" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "9 de Julio" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Buenos Aires" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "General Garibaldi" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "General Belgrano" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "General San Martin" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "General Pueyrredon" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
***capital ships under construction***
name = "Rivadavia" type = battleship model = 1
[ready December 1914]
name = "Moreno" type = battleship model = 1
[ready March 1915]
# both ships built in the USA
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BRAZIL
name = "Brazilian Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 356
Ships
name = "Minas Gerais" type = battleship model = 1
name = "Sao Paulo" type = battleship model = 1
name = "Marshal Deodoro" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Marshal Floriano" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Bahia" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Rio Grande do Sul" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Almirante Tamandare" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Benjamin Constant" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Republica" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Almirante Barrozo" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "2. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
***capital ships under construction***
name = "Rio de Janeiro" type = battleship model = 1
[ready August 1914]
# Sold to Turkey in January 1914 (then confiscated by Britain.) See Events thread for more details.
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CHILE
name = "Chilean Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 372
Ships
name = "Capitan Prat" type = battleship model = 0
name = "Esmeralda" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "O'Higgins" type = cruiser model = 2
name = "Presidente Errazuriz" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Blanco Encalada" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Ministro Zenteno" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Chacabuco" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "2. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
name = "3. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
***capital ships under construction***
name = "Almirante Latorre" type = battleship model = 1
[ready September 1915]
# Sold to Britain in mid-1915, became HMS Canada
name = "Almirante Cochrane" type = battleship model = 1
[ready early 1918]
# Also sold to Britain in late 1917, converted to the aircraft carrier HMS Eagle (completed April 1920)
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
PERU
name = "Peruvian Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 335
Ships
name = "Almirante Grau" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "Coronel Bolognesi" type = cruiser model = 1
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
COLOMBIA
name = "Colombian Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 281
Ships
name = "Almirante Lezo" type = cruiser model = 0
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
MEXICO
name = "Mexican Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 238
Ships
name = "Zaragosa" type = cruiser model = 0
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
SIAM
name = "Royal Siamese Navy"
leader = ?
location = 1744
Ships
name = "Maha Chakri" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
# Maha Chakri was another armed royal yacht, but this one had four 120mm cannon, ten 6-pounder guns, and a 50mm thick armour-plated deck...
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
CHINA
# allocation of ships between fleets is pure guesswork.
name = "Northern Fleet"
leader = Huang Chung Ying
location = 1625
Ships
name = "Hai Chou" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Chao Ho" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "1. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 1
name = "Central Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 1697
Ships
name = "Hai Chi" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Hai Tan" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Southern Fleet"
leader = ?
location = 1704
Ships
name = "Hai Yung" type = cruiser model = 0
name = "Ying Swei" type = cruiser model = 1
name = "2. Flotilla" type = destroyer model = 0
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
...and that's a wrap.