Well the village did a really lousy job.Randakar, THE_SPLIT, and Jonti-h agree there was never a game as easily won as this.
Щэяэшоlf Victory
Why did you do the outing yourself?Here was my last scan list before my death.
1. Scan Randakar/Back up The_Split
2. Scan The_Split/Back up Arkasas
3. Scan Arkasas/ Back up Dutchguy
My god, I was close.
It indeed was a really, really bad village performance; it would have been a different game if most of the villagers hadn't been zombies.Congrats packmates! Worst village performance in a long, long time though.
Good job, wolves.
Interesting... nice job Randy in winning twice
It's not fair that Randakar counts twice for parity![]()
Bah, wolves were cowards. Hunting me night 1, just shameful.
I would complain about having been hunted, but I was trying to pretend to be the seer anyway. It worked, evidently.
Here was my last scan list before my death.
1. Scan Randakar/Back up The_Split
2. Scan The_Split/Back up Arkasas
3. Scan Arkasas/ Back up Dutchguy
My god, I was close.
Congrats packmates! Worst village performance in a long, long time though.
Figures. Ah well, congrats to the wolves. Also, I found the talk about Kaisersohaib of being guaranteed goodie and deserving autolynch quite hypocritical once you took into account that there were what, 3-4 players who couldn't be seers since Euro started the game so fast that they couldn't have sent the first night scan orders. I don't know if wolves took advantage of this or not. Still, no excuse for the abysmal job done by JL and village.
Also what were you thinking Nautilu? First you TIE on day 1 and costs us a day to parity---then you pull from your arse the most stupid argument I have ever seen, votes me and then leaves and don't come back to see the analysis. We actually had a chance of turning it around, since as I wrote yesterday I actually wanted to switch to jonti, but that could never happen because you just at random decreed that the JL wanted me lynched. When you are the one deciding tho hangs, you cannot just vote random before there has really been analysis---that costed ud the game.
marty99;17946658 Nautilu's snipe to create a tie said:You forgot the part where Nautilu posts for the first time in 36 hours, pulls an argument from his arse that says I am suspicious, because I was sleeping during deadline, decrees that the JL wants be dead because of it and then goes AFK for the rest of the day. That sealed the fate of the village, since without all villagers we would never be able to hang a wolf---and I think we very well could have got jonti.
Jonti? I thought jonti was by far the least obvious, personally, and madchemist agreed, as he picked split and randy, but had skobelev as the third wolf. Split and randy were quieter, as they are when they're baddies, but jonti's nearly impossible to tell unless you put him in a pressurising situation (and even then, still damn hard) which didn't happen this game.You forgot the part where Nautilu posts for the first time in 36 hours, pulls an argument from his arse that says I am suspicious, because I was sleeping during deadline, decrees that the JL wants be dead because of it and then goes AFK for the rest of the day. That sealed the fate of the village, since without all villagers we would never be able to hang a wolf---and I think we very well could have got jonti.
Yes. I ended up just AFK'ing out of the game after skobie announced his absence from the thread. The game was pretty much over at that stage.
The cymsdale hunt was me sending in a random.org hunt list (after rerolling it a few times, granted, because I didn't want certain people such as you and madchemist at the top of it), the other hunts were just 'hmm, he looks like a seer!' type hunts.
On the last day the village has the best chance to find a wolf simply because of the shortness of the suspect list, but if the village decides to use that day to basically go AFK the odds of actually using that day productively just go way down.
Good analysis takes time, getting a feel for how everyone in the game is actually feeling about the situation is hard and takes a lot of talking, and if even one villager decides to just not listen or be away all day they won't be able to change their vote accordingly either.
I'd love to know what Cody was thinking doing the outing himself.
SPLIT wanted to hunt him there and then, but we went for Madchem because he acted more seerish and I didn't believe anyone could be that kamikaze.
I can only assume he thought "lol no one in history has ever done anything this clever" thinking we wouldn't believe he could be the seer.
But the thing is, wolves often hunt the spokesman even if they don't believe him to be the seer, as it disrupts the JL so much. I'm not sure if you guys thought Cody was the seer at some later point, but at first Split was definitely arguing to hunt him simply because he was the spokesman anyway
Nautilu's snipe to create a tie, (which should have been more penalised really, he just had the good fortune to revenge vote someone who got outed and thus semi-cleared him), Cody's early outing, and Kaiser's in my opinion necessary auto-lynching all really burnt the village's chances here.
Tips for future games:
Don't say you didn't get a role pm in the thread, especially if the GM explicitly said in the thread that villagers will not get a pm.
Don't snipe at the last minute to create ties that could lose a day to parity, especially without any justification.
Don't do outings early, and most certainly don't do them if you're the seer.
Do follow my vote-switches.(Seriously, whenever I'm a villager the village pretty much always wins when they're used, and when I'm a wolf the seer can just scan me.)
Jonti? I thought jonti was by far the least obvious, personally, and madchemist agreed, as he picked split and randy, but had skobelev as the third wolf. Split and randy were quieter, as they are when they're baddies, but jonti's hard to tell unless you put him in a pressurising situation (and even then, not by a whole lot) which didn't happen this game.
But yes, I think you could maybe have got a wolf if Nautilu had been more active.
I'd love to know what Cody was thinking doing the outing himself.
SPLIT wanted to hunt him there and then, but we went for Madchem because he acted more seerish and I didn't believe anyone could be that kamikaze.
Tips for future games:
Don't say you didn't get a role pm in the thread, especially if the GM explicitly said in the thread that villagers will not get a pm.
Don't snipe at the last minute to create ties that could lose a day to parity, especially without any justification.
Don't do outings early, and most certainly don't do them if you're the seer.
Do follow my vote-switches.(Seriously, whenever I'm a villager the village pretty much always wins when they're used, and when I'm a wolf the seer can just scan me.)
(after rerolling it a few times, granted, because I didn't want certain people such as you and madchemist at the top of it)
Jonti? I thought jonti was by far the least obvious, personally, and madchemist agreed, as he picked split and randy, but had skobelev as the third wolf. Split and randy were quieter, as they are when they're baddies, but jonti's nearly impossible to tell unless you put him in a pressurising situation (and even then, still damn hard) which didn't happen this game.
But yes, I think you could maybe have got a wolf if Nautilu had been more active.
Really, I haven't seen the JL spokesman get hunted all that often, but it has happened both times in recent memory that the seer was his own spokesman, oddly enough. I'd say that in most cases, it isn't worth the risk for the seer to do his own outing (I at least had a reason when I did it, since I was about to be lynched that game).
Most decent wolves will hunt the mouthpiece unless they have a lead on who the seer is, it's the way of WW - except big games since there's the whole Doc/GA thing
Especially if the outing comes so early in the game. Hunting more or less randomly could get the seer but it's more likely to get unscanned villager, thus benefiting the JL even more.
I'm not quite sure what 'alibi voting' is supposed to mean as it kind of appeared as a phrase while I was away, and I see it being used in wildly different contexts. But I think it means, most usually, making a vote on a packmate that isn't really dangerous in an attempt to clear yourself. Your vote was dangerous on me, it got me very close to being lynched. Of course, I told you I was fine with it, because I planned a switch anyway, but there was no way for the village to know that, although they could have suspected it.This.
Especially when I voted Marty when there was a real possibility of him getting lynched, alibi voting is one thing but bringing him closer to LK was another.
Sure I had no intention of letting it stand but as vote bending goes that was decent
Randy was a more likely wolf, until he did some analysis.
I'm not quite sure what 'alibi voting' is supposed to mean as it kind of appeared as a phrase while I was away, and I see it being used in wildly different contexts. But I think it means, most usually, making a vote on a packmate that isn't really dangerous in an attempt to clear yourself. Your vote was dangerous on me, it got me very close to being lynched. Of course, I told you I was fine with it, because I planned a switch anyway, but there was no way for the village to know that, although they could have suspected it.
Randy was a more likely wolf, until he did some analysis.
I'm not quite sure what 'alibi voting' is supposed to mean as it kind of appeared as a phrase while I was away, and I see it being used in wildly different contexts. But I think it means, most usually, making a vote on a packmate that isn't really dangerous in an attempt to clear yourself. Your vote was dangerous on me, it got me very close to being lynched. Of course, I told you I was fine with it, because I planned a switch anyway, but there was no way for the village to know that, although they could have suspected it.
(I'm not sure I really like the phrase alibi vote though (not directed at you so much as the general community), or the whole move towards trying to condense concepts into short buzzwords or phrases. Brevity is good and all, but at the same time, using these phrases can end up conflating, confusing or distorting the boundaries between different concepts, and personally I prefer to not use that kind of lingo. Similarly, I hate the way every time someone makes a post that's more than say, 4 sentences (and sometimes even shorter), it's called "analysis" which has pretty much stripped the word of any usefulness in recent years and why I try not to use it. A further example would be people accusing others of 'bandwagoning' when they only have two votes or something - joeb hated that.)
I'm not quite sure what 'alibi voting' is supposed to mean as it kind of appeared as a phrase while I was away, and I see it being used in wildly different contexts. But I think it means, most usually, making a vote on a packmate that isn't really dangerous in an attempt to clear yourself. Your vote was dangerous on me, it got me very close to being lynched. Of course, I told you I was fine with it, because I planned a switch anyway, but there was no way for the village to know that, although they could have suspected it.
I'm not sure I really like the phrase alibi vote though (not directed at you so much as the general community), or the whole move towards trying to condense concepts into short buzzwords or phrases. Brevity is good and all, but at the same time, using these phrases can end up conflating, confusing or distorting the boundaries between different concepts, and personally I prefer to not use that kind of lingo.Similarly, I hate the way every time someone makes a post that's more than say, 4 lines, it's called "analysis" which has pretty much stripped the word of any usefulness in recent years.
I see it as bending the analysis to create an impression of being a goodie.
Back when AOK invented analysis and I got into it, it was incredibly easy to find wolves with a spreadsheet because they would almost never vote each other. Why would they when except in the case of a close vote nobody much checked the vote records? I started putting votes on packmates to break the analysis and soon so did everyone else, rendering the spreadsheet method near useless.