Automatic. No jump shock effect on it.
No, hence all of the other ASM defenses.
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Automatic. No jump shock effect on it.
No, hence all of the other ASM defenses.
It's certainly worth considering.
The worst that will happen is that he'll waste some size-12 ASMs on us.
Eight minutes forty!
Decoys fire automatically and are unaffected by jump shock (I posted in Steve's forum to find out).
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Neither can our decoys, since they share our Missile ECM.
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I'm now almost curious as to how capable their missile defence is.
I am also curious as to how cheap we could make these puppies, as I suspect we are going to loose a lot.
I am also curious as to how cheap we could make these puppies, as I suspect we are going to loose a lot.
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Another important point is that we can bring our fleet through (using squadron jumps, of course) right at the height of the confusion.
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Sounds like a plan to me.
Question is: do we wait with building for the engine tech, or is it full speed ahead? How many of these do we want and how long does it take to build them?
Question is: do we wait with building for the engine tech, or is it full speed ahead? How many of these do we want and how long does it take to build them?
Not sure the engine tech really makes much difference here? I mean the battle is going to be fought at limited, if not point blank, range, and I assume we would seek to press home the kill rather than attempt to sprint to a longer range?
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I'm prepared to try this with our current tech.
We can certainly start building more missile factories and fighter factories, to speed up the construction of this fighter force.
We can certainly start building more missile factories and fighter factories, to speed up the construction of this fighter force.
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It's marginal, agreed.
We might be able to make the engine a little smaller. Build faster missiles. That kind of thing.
No... their AMMs can't hit our Fighters. Or our Decoys.
These specific anti-JP Fighters.
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That said, with speeds in excess of 80.000 km/s these missiles will hit basically instantly when fired within 400.000 km. AMM may not even have time to respond to these guys.
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Good point.
Also did we include eccm in our missiles?
If so tbey may not even be able to hit.
ECCM in missiles takes the form of decoys, not reduced hit chances. I think that's been mentioned before.
If I'm not mistaken the latest iteration of the size-6 jump point breaker missile has decoys.
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Oh. I misunderstood, then.
Thought missiles could have eccm and hence fully avoid any hits if high enough level.compared to opponent.
Let's go over the Starfire designs with a fine comb.
Military jump drive.
A 150 ton Missile 5 ECM -- AMM fire will miss.
An active search sensor for the Starfires. A little too much range there, maybe -- 133 million km is more than necessary. If we tweak the resolution to match a 7000 ton target -- the smallest military vesssel we've seen from them -- maybe we can shave off a few tons.
Ditto for the fuel capacity. 800 million km -- 13 hours at full power -- is way more than what we expect to have to travel in a jump point assault.
Maintenance life is 2.77 years but I'm guessing those 63 MSP are there to repair things that break during combat, not for long term maintenance.
1 layer of armor -- if we were to invest more tonnage, that's where I'd put it. Though size 18 explosions means it penetrates 4 layers of armor, so anything less than 5 layers is not enough bang for the buck. Then again, I don't see any decoy launchers on these and these are more important to keep alive than the other class due to the fact that these carry the active search sensorss
Speed is excellent. Fast enough to outrun the Sarthes and that's all we need. Though we can always use more.
Because these two desigs are so similar I'm not going to repeat any of the points already made for the Starfire CMD. We can put a little less range on the missile fire control as well maybe, if we are going to reduce the size and resolution of the active search sensor the fire controls should match.
Not sure if that's worth it but then again, we want to build a lot of these so small time savings may add up enough to make it worthwhile.
As for the missiles, whichs is what I initially wanted to get into here. There are two proposed variants.
The SRAM design without ECCM, and the Doppelganger design that has 2 decoys.
However, the proposal is to delay fire until all of the AMM missiles are used up. If the Modron aren't smart enough to hold fire once they realize they have 0 chance of hitting, we can exploit that. And then we won't need the Doppelganger design.
Max range of 18 million km. The sensor and fire control should not exceed that by much. 20 million km should be fine.
.. or 12 million km, even.
I will mention here that we need crew training on these puppies as well. Training percentage affects jump shock duration. Though the plan calls for holding fire anyway until they've exchausted their AMM, it would be nice to have some to cover unforseen eventualities.
Military jump drive.
A 150 ton Missile 5 ECM -- AMM fire will miss.
An active search sensor for the Starfires. A little too much range there, maybe -- 133 million km is more than necessary. If we tweak the resolution to match a 7000 ton target -- the smallest military vesssel we've seen from them -- maybe we can shave off a few tons.
Ditto for the fuel capacity. 800 million km -- 13 hours at full power -- is way more than what we expect to have to travel in a jump point assault.
Maintenance life is 2.77 years but I'm guessing those 63 MSP are there to repair things that break during combat, not for long term maintenance.
1 layer of armor -- if we were to invest more tonnage, that's where I'd put it. Though size 18 explosions means it penetrates 4 layers of armor, so anything less than 5 layers is not enough bang for the buck. Then again, I don't see any decoy launchers on these and these are more important to keep alive than the other class due to the fact that these carry the active search sensorss
Speed is excellent. Fast enough to outrun the Sarthes and that's all we need. Though we can always use more.
Because these two desigs are so similar I'm not going to repeat any of the points already made for the Starfire CMD. We can put a little less range on the missile fire control as well maybe, if we are going to reduce the size and resolution of the active search sensor the fire controls should match.
Not sure if that's worth it but then again, we want to build a lot of these so small time savings may add up enough to make it worthwhile.
As for the missiles, whichs is what I initially wanted to get into here. There are two proposed variants.
The SRAM design without ECCM, and the Doppelganger design that has 2 decoys.
However, the proposal is to delay fire until all of the AMM missiles are used up. If the Modron aren't smart enough to hold fire once they realize they have 0 chance of hitting, we can exploit that. And then we won't need the Doppelganger design.
Max range of 18 million km. The sensor and fire control should not exceed that by much. 20 million km should be fine.
.. or 12 million km, even.
I will mention here that we need crew training on these puppies as well. Training percentage affects jump shock duration. Though the plan calls for holding fire anyway until they've exchausted their AMM, it would be nice to have some to cover unforseen eventualities.
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That was only because of mistakenly thinking amm could hit our missiles, though.
Their AMM can hit our missiles. That's why holding fire is a good idea. The Modron only get to shoot the starhawks down in the initial 10-30 seconds or so. After that they will either be immune, out of range, or targeted by ships waiting for their tubes to reload.
They will still be firing AMM at the starhawks though -- as they've tried against the gunboats. And once that runs out .. it's our turn. And that missile salvo will be impossible to intercept with AMM because there is no more AMM by then.
Of course they will still have the Sarthe's lasers. I guess we could have decoys for that.
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Ecm doesn't work during jump shock?
How do you have a decoys for a gunboat?
Why do you keep interpreting everything people tell you about this issue the other way around? Yes, of course it works during jump shock. Our Starfires don't even get to fire until their jump shock wears off, though.
Decoy launchers. Look at that Starfire-SB design.
ECM on ships is a jammer component that reduces hit chances or detection ranges. (Depending on the type of jammer.)
ECM on missiles is decoy missiles.
Decoys on ships are instead missile-like and are launched from decoy launchers, automatically, even during jump shock. The effectiveness of which is determined in part by the difference in ECM / ECCM tech level.
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