The sinking of HMS Warspite is the true tragedy of this update. Clearly the war is now all but lost.
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Thank you, mate. Yes, how is the US going to take on the IJN if it isn't producing any major fleet units?Great update, Bullfilter. There's definitely problems with the production AI in HoI3, and I'm finding it difficult to keep up with all of the problems (like the US only having 5 [!!!!] fleet carriers in 1942, and no new battleships).
The Soviets had the Brits all sticthed up at this point. The Manhattan Project later on, too.I knew we had someone high up in British Intelligence, but definitely did not need to know who it is. Philby seems to be doing a great job.
Quite so. Can never be too careful (as the Brits discovered to their detriment - and the Germans on Enigma).That's definitely the way it should be. No offense to Turkish intelligence, they did not need to know.
And one never sets up an inquiry unless you already know what the answer should be - if there ever is one.A Committee will be set up to examine the request, and of course timing is critical. Such a request would, of course, be very courageous.
Callan is one of the few smart and effective people they have. What will he get up to?This is somewhat annoying. I'm sure the GRU will find a counter to this development, something to do with incriminating a loyal Englishman to put Callan off Philby's trail if I had to guess.
The Balkan situation is in one of its more fluid phases at the moment - and while I have my hopes, I have no idea how it will end up. But I believe Turkey would at least try out one of those mothballed plans to hold Ploiesti and Bucharest for as long as possible if the front were to collapse, if at all feasible.Finally. 50.000 fewer Axis troops to fight! I'm quite surprised that the Turkish papers didn't round up the number of prisoners to 100.000, boasting of 10 captured Divisions.
The Sava river line comes under ever more pressure, but the freed up units from Split should allow for a more solid defence to be set up, even if some territory has to be forgone. An then, once your troops are somewhat rested, we can talk about the next offensive, or maybe an adventure in Libya, or in Sicily?
Romania is worrying, as is Ukraine. Losing Kyiv is a serious blow, though the Dniepr river line hasn't been breached yet. The Eastern front is stabilising nicely. Let's hope we manage to cut supplies to some of the Japanese units, and have our own little Siberian encirclement party.
The British are losing on the ground in SE-Asia, the only reason the Japs aren't winning more quickly, is that the whole peninsula is covered in thick jungle, which could hide more Allied fighters, so they're having to be slow and methodical about their offensive.
Despite her excellent war-record (OTL and TTL), HMS Warspite was a great war era Battleship, a very good one, but still. Mutsu is more modern, has bigger guns, better armour etc. If I was the 1st Lord of the Admiralty, and someone asked me if I was prepared to trade Warspite for Mutsu, I would do so in a heartbeat. I'd prefer not losing Warspite, but if the reward is sinking Mustu, I think it's worth the sacrifice. And of course, it's revenge for Mutsu sinking Profitern...
Good tip re supplies and Split: will see how it goes, but am hoping throughput improves as battle damage to infra is repaired and the new logistic lines become mature.If you continue to have supply issues at the front, it would be wise to ship supplies from Turkey, directly to Split. Of course, it depends on whether you have the convoys to do so, and on whether the Italian navy is very active in the Adriatic.
The battle in the shadows between Comintern and Allied spies is right up my alley, and I will use any means in my power to try and counter Callan's operations in the UGNR, alongside SITH and Kaya's boys, of course.
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You're very welcome, as always. Hope the bike accident fall-out is getting better now.Thanks for a nice wrap up of the month, a lot of questions for the future to answer indeed![]()
Always good to have an expert on hand for these things! Interesting snippet.This is interesting because the name of the organization and the English translation of it is as you write, but you may have noticed the abbreviation is a little different because when it was first being formed in the dying phase of the Ottoman Empire its name was milli âmâle hizmet (service to national goals, sounds stupid but I guess back then they didn't know better).
OK, you asked: it is not what many may think (ie providing a filter for all the bull one hears and sees).By the way, what's the story behind your nickname if you want to share?
Glad you did! They came up in my reading of histories at the time and how Stalin was aware of quite a few 'secrets' the Allies thought they were concealing or revealing to him, which he had to pretend to be surprised at or inscrutably let pass by, with them thinking he hadn't understood the translation or its significance (like with the atomic bomb revelation at Potsdam, I think it was IIRC). They will be used in 'alt-historical parallel'.I really liked this new thread. Being a fan of cold war spy thriller tropes and aesthetics, I'm sure there'll be more good stuff to come from this storyline![]()
Just melted away - but they have caused plenty of distraction for such a small group, I think. Perhaps they will return later.They should've gone for the railway! Damn it!
Will think about it.Here I want to revisit my single cav or mil brigade marauding of the transsiberian railway by going through Sinkiang behind enemy lines. If there's anything we can spare it can be worth a shot.
Me too. Not quite the Destruction of Army Group Centre, but a good enough start!I assume Germany will have trouble replacing over 40 thousand soldiers and, more importantly, have trouble replacing those Divisions.
Russia is not too bad - the rate of retreat is slowing down again. I think. I hope! But Romania has deteriorated a bit of late. Not sure what I may be able to do about it, directly or indirectly. They do still have a lot of Soviet EFs under command - though not sure how well they are able to support them.What worried me is the rest of the Front. As Turkey makes gains the rest of the line seems, mostly, being pushed in.
Yes, they are going to be a big, ugly fungal growth in the east for a long time yet, I fear! Of course, with your new AAR, you may be considering them in a different light now.And while the Japanese seem to be reaching the end of their supply "leash" against the USSR, they seem to pushing back the UK in Asia and having no trouble in the Pacific. *sigh*
I think it does help. They are not doing that well, and like in OTL, we do still want the Axis distracted. And in the final phase, if things need to get 'Unthinkable' in order to secure the New World Order, perhaps we may just take some of it back. Though I hope it doesn't come to that.On the other hand the UK seems to be doing well in Africa. But, not to sound like downer, does that help the Comintern?
Nailed it!And here we see a classic example of that famous British diligence in all things!![]()
Yes, I'm doing things as close to 'adapted reality' as I can, but will always claim some alt-hist author's license if and when necessary. Two have already appeared - will see if any of the others do too. Depends on their OTL activities of the time.Interesting to see how once again OTL and ATL converge. Will we eventually see the entire Cambridge Five, I wonder?
Oh Lord. More of the shoehorned references and Shakespearean fan-fiction we've all come to know and love from our beloved authAAR!![]()
Vur Ha!
It will be their fervent aim - we'll see how they do (not played yet - we're back 'up to date' with AAR v gameplay).One sincerely hopes that the troops now freed from the elimination of the Split pocket can now not only reinforce the front lines of the Bulge, but help extend its reach ever closer to Rome and Berlin!![]()
True. I'm hoping the winter, while it may not bring the full Russian Winter effect, will also slow the Germans down right across the whole front.Another way of saying, the fascist scum are no longer able to prosecute a coherent offensive across the entire front. Clearly they are reaching their limit, and it is merely a matter of time and manpower before they are ground into dust!
The US AI (or 'AL' as @Eurasia would call it) has shown itself pretty impervious to all pressure to do much, so this will doubtless be no different.Excellent news, which certainly reduces pressure on the USA to do something in the Pacific. Is this for better, or for worse?
I think it's a goer!In light of this and the following naval report, I wholeheartedly endorse making a Turkish landing in western Libya. More below.
Just so long as the Japanese don't eventually get past Burma and into India - that's starting to get a little too close to a Second Front for Turkey that I would like.I believe Rangoon should be able to hold for quite some time. The forces there can be supplied comfortably by sea, and the Japanese will struggle to maintain their supply chain through the thick Burmese jungles.
Well, with what has happened over there, I think it has sought asylum and ended up taking over the US in my game!Who let the USA AI out of @Eurasia's AAR again?![]()
Yes, I think the modest Turkish surface fleet may now be larger than whatever small Italian navy remains! If we are attacked by air, I'm hoping I can escape in time to prevent anything being sunk. I may even station the main battle fleet offshore for a while to see what it might provoke, so as not to risk troops or transports while doing it.The lack of any more significant losses by the Italians I believe confirms that they have no significant naval presence in the Mediterranean, right on time for a Fall landing and offensive in Libya for the Turkish heroes! I do believe that a fleet of transports escorted by the bulk of our surface fleet will be more than enough to get the job done. My only concern here is whether the Italians may still have some naval air power they could bring to bear to disrupt our landings - which would pose a serious problem, since we lack access to the British air base on Malta to provide air cover for our forces.
Have had one set since they joined the war - they never responded to it directly (though they did give us those Marine EFs, separately).I wonder if it might make sense to set some US objectives in the Balkans? They should have an easier time landing forces in allied territory than making landings across the Pacific against a substantial enemy navy, and those forces could greatly accelerate the falls of Rome and Berlin.
Right on, brudder.Not a moment too soon. We need to reinforce our battle line and figure out how to bail Romania out again.
Yeah, that's not gonna happen, unfortunately. I can't even set them objectives. I wonder whether, if we eventually do get the Germans on the ropes, whether they'll ever try to land on the mainland in force. I'm doubting it, but you never know.If only the British could send a fleet and army in. Then again, it appears they've spent the whole war building nothing but ships and planes so they might not have an army left save for the stuff left from initially spawn and colonial stuff currently under attack. Very peculiar AI strategy given how we've seen previous evidence that they have the capacity to be a serious ally on land too if they want to be.
You're right, the 'Romania Question' is back front and centre again. The Turkish High Command will be wondering what they can - or should - do, which will partly be governed by events and whether things stabilise themselves again without more (in addition to the limited eastern Romanian deployment) direct Turkish involvement. Or another counter-offensive to distract, once the resent button had been pressed.Err, actually what we need to do is figure out how best to save Romania again, and if we can't, figure out how to retreat properly, and where to.
If we can keep pushing northwards, that should pull the armies thrusting through Romanian back, or we can get a little further North and then turn right and try to flank the whole invasion force. It depends on how many troops are left in the south outside of Romania now we removed 50k from there...and how many in Romanian lands on top of that?
If the Axis still outnumber us, then we need to try to distract them for a bit to relieve pressure, or trick them into attack fortified positions instead of carrying on into Romania. If we have parity with them, for no way ATM least, we should try to manoeuvre that to our advantage.
But of course!Looks like he's doing Shakespeare again as well.
I feel it - one of the ships I made an Airfix model of as a kid. But we will carry on!The sinking of HMS Warspite is the true tragedy of this update. Clearly the war is now all but lost.
Great to have you back again!Oh wow! RL kept me struggeling with reading and even more making a comment, but now I'm up-to-date again.
Mixed emotions with the great success around Split but significant losses in Romania.
For the story RasaUrs was at a troop visit in Siberia via train and horse, so the travelling took some time, of course.
Was my first guess actuallyOK, you asked: it is not what many may think (ie providing a filter for all the bull one hears and sees).![]()
Wow, great story! I'm sorry for his passing, may heaven be his eternal residence. Who knew bilabial stop consonants sounding like each other when shouted would come back as a nickname decades later? Life's interesting.Now, the secret is out!
They're not having any IC related supply issues tied to loss of industrial provinces, right? If that is the case maybe it can be rectified by just sending them some.Russia is not too bad - the rate of retreat is slowing down again. I think. I hope! But Romania has deteriorated a bit of late. Not sure what I may be able to do about it, directly or indirectly. They do still have a lot of Soviet EFs under command - though not sure how well they are able to support them.![]()
Budapest-Wien-Prague-Berlin would be a nice itineraryIt will be their fervent aim - we'll see how they do (not played yet - we're back 'up to date' with AAR v gameplay).
You're right, the 'Romania Question' is back front and centre again. The Turkish High Command will be wondering what they can - or should - do, which will partly be governed by events and whether things stabilise themselves again without more (in addition to the limited eastern Romanian deployment) direct Turkish involvement. Or another counter-offensive to distract, once the resent button had been pressed.
I think it makes more sense to follow the OTL strategy of securing Libya first. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the USA in vanilla HoI3 does not have a decision for Operation Torch, right? So it's unlikely the AI will ever work up the gumption to launch an invasion and it will fall to Turkey to do that - unless we want to allow the British to take all of Libya, denying the Comintern vital airbases and staging areas for a Sicily invasion. While of course a Sicily invasion against the Italy AI can probably be pulled off without those elements, it does make the job harder and frankly (OOC) I prefer the more realistic approach anyways.It might be that the AI would choose to not value Libya very highly anymore... We might be forced into a situation where we combine a few of our previous doctrines (RAW and the Strategic Defensive Lines) to rapidly grab Sicily and then defend it (in Messina) from the inevitable Italian counter attack.
While this reasoning makes sense, I think a European conquest as easily defensible as Sicily also means Axis will also have easy time defending against us trying to springboard from there. That's why I'm advocating instead a plains beachhead surrounded by cities/mountains to grab and hold, and later use as a springboard.It might be that the AI would choose to not value Libya very highly anymore... We might be forced into a situation where we combine a few of our previous doctrines (RAW and the Strategic Defensive Lines) to rapidly grab Sicily and then defend it (in Messina) from the inevitable Italian counter attack.
In general, the AIs can definitely have the exclamation BULLfilter thrown at them. Though I must say the Axis hasn’t been doing too bad a job in this game, given the challenges presented. As for the UK and the US (largely, except for the marine EFs and all that lend lease): BULLFILTER!Was my first guess actually
Wow, great story! I'm sorry for his passing, may heaven be his eternal residence. Who knew bilabial stop consonants sounding like each other when shouted would come back as a nickname decades later? Life's interesting.
Come to think of it, the AI of HoI3 is like that pool filter. Needs constant and tiresome attention, doesn't really work as intended, but still creates fun memories
They're not having any IC related supply issues tied to loss of industrial provinces, right? If that is the case maybe it can be rectified by just sending them some.
Budapest-Wien-Prague-Berlin would be a nice itinerary![]()
The whole Balkan Front is quite dynamic at the moment. And you will see in the next chapter that the Axis AIs are quite determined to steal operational initiative from me ... how well they succeed and how Romania fares in this next little period will prove enlightening - in the short term anyway.Given that I've been one of the aggressive expansion lobby this entire AAR in Yugoslavia, Persia, campaign plans for sicily and north africa etc it's a bit strange to not be promoting more attacks now we know the axis have nothing in the med to stop us moving troops around...
Thing is though, I'm also a firm promoter of keeping Romanian troops in the war for as long as possible so we really do need to pull back a little from our aggressive line of thinking and figure out how to stablise their front again. Now this might well mean an aggressive campaign into the north, trying to flank the german armies in the east or landing in italy to make the AI freak out but our main concern underlying our plans should be the preservation of romania and our west flank, cos we have shown repeatedly that so long as we have that, we can hold the axis off in Yugoslavia.
Edit: as a brief aside, the russians infecting british intelligence through Cambridge graduates isn't the first time this has happened. In fact, since the british have a long (700 years+) history of recruiting their spies from Cambridge, this happens quite a lot.
Could be, but Sicily remains on the back burner for now. As to Libya - no spoiler, no pack drill!It might be that the AI would choose to not value Libya very highly anymore... We might be forced into a situation where we combine a few of our previous doctrines (RAW and the Strategic Defensive Lines) to rapidly grab Sicily and then defend it (in Messina) from the inevitable Italian counter attack.
Sicily and Libya can indeed be linked (though Tunisia is even closer ...) But the next period provides some more info on Bengasi, so we’ll see where that leads and what the Italians may be up to in response to the current British offensive via Tobruk. Plus events in the Balkans may have an impact on any proposed Med excursions - and whether any tag to Italy is merited (my first impulse in this particular game though is not to ‘actively tag’ to either friend or foe and let the AIs do what the game lets them).I think it makes more sense to follow the OTL strategy of securing Libya first. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the USA in vanilla HoI3 does not have a decision for Operation Torch, right? So it's unlikely the AI will ever work up the gumption to launch an invasion and it will fall to Turkey to do that - unless we want to allow the British to take all of Libya, denying the Comintern vital airbases and staging areas for a Sicily invasion. While of course a Sicily invasion against the Italy AI can probably be pulled off without those elements, it does make the job harder and frankly (OOC) I prefer the more realistic approach anyways.
@Bullfilter: It may be worth tagging to an Axis nation for the exclusive purpose of giving Italy some defensive objectives along the mainland and Sicilian coasts, just to see if it may help the AI learn how to defend itself if we end up invading Italy by sea. Italy traditionally forgets that naval invasions are possible and forgets to garrison her ports, as with most of the maritime nation AIs.![]()
As above, the short term will shed a little more light on this. I just wish I had the joint capacity of the Allies in OTL 1943-44 for air supported amphibious operations. But it’s still only mid-1942 Turkey in the middle of a desperate land war with Germany and its Axis lackeys, with a largely dormant UK and US ... limits my power projection and follow-up capacity a little bit for such grand adventures. Perhaps in 1943 ...While this reasoning makes sense, I think a European conquest as easily defensible as Sicily also means Axis will also have easy time defending against us trying to springboard from there. That's why I'm advocating instead a plains beachhead surrounded by cities/mountains to grab and hold, and later use as a springboard.
Libya is an exception because it's lightly defended and probably no Italian supplies ever make there so it's just some experience for our marines and landing craft.
I agree, any thought experiment about future operations also has to take into account how realistic it is resourcewise. I was prioritizing between different European amphibious operation alternatives but of course the real priority should be to stabilize the front and try to make another offensive towards Budapest to threaten all those Axis corps threatening Odessa.As above, the short term will shed a little more light on this. I just wish I had the joint capacity of the Allies in OTL 1943-44 for air supported amphibious operations. But it’s still only mid-1942 Turkey in the middle of a desperate land war with Germany and its Axis lackeys, with a largely dormant UK and US ... limits my power projection and follow-up capacity a little bit for such grand adventures. Perhaps in 1943 ...
In general, the AIs can definitely have the exclamation BULLfilter thrown at them. Though I must say the Axis hasn’t been doing too bad a job in this game, given the challenges presented. As for the UK and the US (largely, except for the marine EFs and all that lend lease): BULLFILTER!![]()
If you already check once in a while if their troops are in supply, no further action (like sending them supplies) is necessary, it would be a waste of resources otherwise.Romania: perhaps, but I generally work on the principle that a human player will spend IC more effectively than the AI of another country ... though I have been tempted to help them out. Will see how they go - as long as they can keep their forces in supply, which I check once in a while.
While this reasoning makes sense, I think a European conquest as easily defensible as Sicily also means Axis will also have easy time defending against us trying to springboard from there. That's why I'm advocating instead a plains beachhead surrounded by cities/mountains to grab and hold, and later use as a springboard.
EDIT: I mean like Taranto and surroundings although Pescara and surroundings fit my description better but being so close to Rome it will be much more heavily defended.
Libya is an exception because it's lightly defended and probably no Italian supplies ever make there so it's just some experience for our marines and landing craft.
Thank you. The happenings of the next week of game time will soon be revealed.I agree with the good mister @Bullfilter. These adventures are worthwhile in future, but for now, priority one must be to maintain Romania - at any cost.
Other than my comment above, Romania is not forgotten! There will be quite a bit on it in the next chapter and a bit of a look at its fundamentals as well. In essence, for a while I've wanted to let it fend for itself with Soviet support as much as possible, as I simply don't have the resources (units or manpower reserves) to defend the whole (remainder) of the country myself and still hold and win along the Adriatic-Sava-Danube Lines. But prior plans to make a last-ditch defence of Ploiesti and Bucharest would, as mentioned above, be very seriously considered: if they become necessary.In all the planning meetings, the Romanian front has always been the weak spot. In fact I would qualify that further and say the Black Sea coast front, since the perceived weakness persists even once one enters into the Glorious Union - as opposed to the "Western" front where multiple chains of defensive terrain have been identified.
Yet keeping Romania out of Axis hands for as long as possible is surely crucial, if only because of oil. Whilst I will not so all other considerations apart from this are distractions - the integrity of the "Western" front is not a distraction - the situation in Romania should be surely becoming the moment of greatest of urgency. It has been proven the Union can more or less effectively resist the Axis in the West. If they cannot do so in Romania and along the coast, then there will be no option but to surrender nearly the entirey of the European portion to the Axis menace.
We have spoken in the past of Timisoara - but Timisoara in the past. Remember Romania! For Wallachia and Moldova! Their time, and the time of the Union, is now.
Perse - over to you for a better slogan![]()
Good points, although the Romanians seem to already be putting Soviet EFs in as depth garrisons and defending north of those two quite determinedly. Again, we'll see what happens later: if Ploiesti (less defensible terrain) is lost, Romania can still be kept in the war by holding Bucharest. A shortened line across to Costanta on the Black Sea could be established if necessary and that sector is quite close and accessible to the Turkish front if forces needed to be switched. Not yet, though.I would say that, if nothing else, slapping down a couple of HARM-boosted divisions in Ploesti and Bucharesti should go a very long ways if worst comes to worst, keeping Romanian divisions in the game and keeping Romanian oil out of Germany's game. Those should give the Romanians enough support to stave off elimination, while the rest of our Glorious Army charges forward!![]()
You will see how events shape and constrain what we can do in the shorter term. Longer term: we'll see what is possible for another offensive if the time falls ripe again as it did with the Adriatic Pocket.I believe if we push north, especially if it's a long (albeit on the narrow side) salient it would completely destabilize the troops facing Romania. Something like a 2 province wide salient between rivers Tisa and Danube.