Thank you for that kindness.We wish you good health and the best luck in the world.
Always...Make It Great.
- 1
Thank you for that kindness.We wish you good health and the best luck in the world.
A jet assisted Lancaster dropping a bucket of sunshine on Berlin and Tokyo would be an outstanding way to end this AAR and it is very much the ending I am rooting for.Or was your comment indicating that their spending every resource and effort on the Bomb to deploy it as soon as possible against Germany and Japan? That might get them back into everyone's good graces...and earn them the everlasting hatred of a lot of people but then again, that seems to be the British way.
A jet assisted Lancaster dropping a bucket of sunshine on Berlin and Tokyo would be an outstanding way to end this AAR and it is very much the ending I am rooting for.
I'd be amazed if it happens, but if it turns out the British AI has been spending all it's IC and Leadership on rushing nuke and jet technology I may take back some of the nasty things I've said about Paradox's (in)ability to code a decent AI.
They did use Lancastrians (the civilian conversion of the Lancaster) for trials of the Nene engine, first test flight was in1946 and managed to fly London to Paris on only it's jet engines. Looked a lot like this;A jet assisted Lancaster doing the trip in one go is a bit of a stretch though...
Did they ever attempt to put jets on the thing? What did the wings look like on that?![]()
They did use Lancastrians (the civilian conversion of the Lancaster) for trials of the Nene engine, first test flight was in1946 and managed to fly London to Paris on only it's jet engines. Looked a lot like this;
![]()
Realistically that's what I'd expect a nuke equipped Lancaster to look like (maybe not with the two jet engines); streamlined nose, remove the turrets and armour, and throw in some more fuel tanks. Same approach as the Silverplate B-29s. The first Lancastrians were converted direct from war surplus Lancasters, they could shift 3.5t of mail and 10 passengers over 4,000 miles, good enough for Hong to Tokyo and back with a healthy margin. It was definitely doable.
You guys just made my day!Very strong wings on that bird. Cool photo and plane. Thanks!
Compared to this, Syria has only few resources, so if Turkey can take it with a single Division it might be good to take it to avoid a possible later stab in the back. But if you need to weaken the Yeniceri line or fall back to the fortresses to free up troops for Syria, it's definitely not worth it. As a follow up, I support the idea of taking Madagascar as a Comintern base in the Indian Ocean, especially as it can be easily supplied through Persian ports. But again, only if that doesn't detract from your capacity to hold the Axis back on the Yeniceri line.
The Cabinet will soon make its views clear on defensive options: but in general, they will sell themselves dearly, but not to destruction! The Motherland must survive to reap the ultimate certainI think a preparation for a quick retreat to the fortified lines and defence in depth would be your best course of action Milli Cef
Dear dear things are beginning to look a bit grim with Vichy France and Saudi Arabia joining the Axis. Does that give them an oil boost?
Many thanks.Great update!
The 'Turf for the Turks' refrain may it into the either the Glorious Truth or one of Perse's propaganda posters, eventually.I admit, in times such as these, when Naahzies swarm over the innocent fields of France and our supposed friends and supposed French allies leave them for death, the temptation for despair in evident. With the Romanian front stagnant, with promises of increased German reprisal forthcoming (resplendent in the blood of France) and our Russian comrades pressed on two fronts, it may seem li,e the war has taken a dark turn for the glorious republic.
But it is not so!
This merely indicates the weakness inherent to the Axis powers! Bolstering their ranks with any number of weak and untested nations spawned from the desert. This is not a blow but an opportunity to our cause, especially as the British in their infinite imperial wisdom have decreed they shall not be fighting them even as they threaten the brave Iraqi homeland that has done so much of their fighting for them! We must now and for always hold this mantra dear: TURF FOR THE TURKS! Arabia lies open and ready for the taking, and who knows? With the British in their infinite imperial wisdom so apparently uncaring for their subjects, perhaps even Iraq may one day choose to join us of their own accord.
Again, this is a blow and a great one to our cause but it must be remembered that though the French were grave and though they aided us by diverting bullets and tanks, they were not our friends. They are imperialist (though posing some wisdom other than Britain's own unique kind) and have suffered the fate of all unjust empires. Still, the eastern front, the real front of the war, will now become far worse in fighting and bloodshed. Still again however, have new chances arisen for our great nation to seize upon!
Syria is now open for the taking! The liberation of the downtrodden native shall be at our hands! The next strike in our fight to retake the 'Middle East' as those foolish westerners call it.
And even further afield, now our ancient lands in Northern Africa are up for grabs as well. Turf for the Turks!
Turf for the Turks!
...we don't care about Asia.
Ah, but of course they view fighting their own wars 'impossible'. It is part of the Brtishman's character to hide behind several other nations and at the end of it all proudly dance victory parades atop their corpses! No more! We shall work with their empire for now yet the time will come when they shall be brought low by a world tired of their games, a workforce tired of doffing their caps and a parliament that cannot maintain economic policy to save their own skins!
France is down but we are ascendant! Remember again comrades, Turf for the Turks! Turf for the Turks! Turf for the Turks...and Bugger the British!
We'll see if the British AI is that smart.A wise move from London, if the last few years have shown anything it is that you should never trust Turkey, giving them military access would have been the height of foolishness. This way the British are free to annex Saudi at their leisure and so acquire a replacement for the oil reserves lost when Turkey annexed Persia. Cunning.
We don't need more distractions at present. This mess will be Britain's to sort out for now. But we'll soon see they have a bit more on their hands in the region than we first realised.The big threat with the Saudi's joining the Axis is their position right within the African territories of the Allies and that the Soviets might get worried about them and start moving units about, that they don't have to, and weaken other Fronts.
Too true.Well I suppose at least then it means they're cleaning up one of their own massive mistakes for a change but I don't think the UK of this time period is going to keep that for very long. The Allies and the rest of Europe are going to be pissed at them once this war is over from the way they've treated their own side. There's good military strategy and then there's this. Letting France die like that when we know that a bit of British help can keep them in the war (or in Bullfilter's case, let them win!) for years longer than they did is just awful, especially as this means that if the Axis lose the war, the Comintern are going to have free reign over Europe (the UK on its own does not have the capacity to retake France through naval landings, and I don't see anyone else lining up to help them after this).
Disgraceful behaviour.
These views have been provided to Cabinet. Their decision will be known soon.Also Yeah, the Arabian peninula is hotting up. Who else would quite like watching Turkey try to fix it? They cannot possibly mess it up more than the Empires did.
But it is very well considered, especially coming from the good offices of the GRU!Well, a lot of advisers have gone before me, but here is my contribution...
Yes, this is sound - guarding those resources - including leadership, manpower and industrial capacity - was one of the deciding factors in establishing the forward defensive line. Even if the exposure to enemy air power has been a drain.I believe that Turkey should continue to hold on to the Balkan territory behind the Yeniceri line as long as possible. Hopefully you never have to give it up as German Panzer reinforcements suffer from winter weather and the loss of the Destiny modifier. There are a lot of resources in that area, and pulling back to your fortified lines will very likely mean the eventual surrender of Romania.
Compared to this, Syria has only few resources, so if Turkey can take it with a single Division it might be good to take it to avoid a possible later stab in the back. But if you need to weaken the Yeniceri line or fall back to the fortresses to free up troops for Syria, it's definitely not worth it. As a follow up, I support the idea of taking Madagascar as a Comintern base in the Indian Ocean, especially as it can be easily supplied through Persian ports. But again, only if that doesn't detract from your capacity to hold the Axis back on the Yeniceri line.
Strong points, noted by the Cabinet.Alternatively, if Turkey can manage to get transports to the Persian gulf, it might be possible to land a single Division in Ad Damman and have it march to Ar Riyad in short order. The Saudi army is bound to be weak, obsolete, as well as distracted by the Allies. This means that a quick victory might give us more precious oil... It's not as if the British will be so smart as to drop some paratroopers into their capital... You could also just take Ad Dammam, and sit on all that sweet oil while the British deal with the Saudi government... There is no way the Allies will be able to take that from you without declaring war, so you should be safe in doing so.
We have to remember Vito Ceylan's favourite recipe for revenge here ... and he also looks forward to a new 'chef' coming to help him in his time of need.On the Tattaglias, I can't wait to see what Turkish intelligence comes up with to avenge the slain 'Diplomat'
SkitalecS3
Madagascar will wait for now. As for the rest, all will soon be revealed.Again, I support the capture of turf in the Middle East and Africa but no further afield than that. Arabia is the biggest gamble I think since it's closer and more doable than Madagascar which means you might be tempted to attack way before you were ready, whereas the island is so far away that an attack can only happen if you really thought and planned for it.
Thanks. I think it is a combination of being smaller and having only minimum control (hardly any, really) of the major alliance partner. Big decisions - like dragging them into a war - I can engineer, but with the objective setting system so haphazard, the rest is just seat of the pants, as you say.Impressive update, as ever! I'm enjoying the seat-of-the-pants feel that comes from playing a regional versus a great power.
And here is a short teaser for the next episode, from Ogel's intelligence analysts, re the Tube Alloys Project discussion between El Pip and TheButterflyComposer:
Another unforeseen effect of the French defeat has been the release of the previous French occupation of Ethiopia. While the Ethiopian Government remains in exile, Petain has given up French rights to that country, which is now substantially back in Axis hands. There is no information on what, if any, Ethiopian forces are now (or again) in play. Britain still surrounds the country on most sides, occupies some Ethiopian territory in the east and remains in control of Italian Somaliland. Confusingly, Vichy now controls Djibouti, but Free France still retains control of the strip of Italian land around Edd. As noted previously, Syria is Vichy controlled, while Saudi Arabia is now an Axis member, so at war with the Allies (including Yemen and Oman) and the Comintern.
A terrain map of Vichy Syria (which includes Lebanon) is also provided – much of it is difficult, with mountains, desert and hills.
Beirut and Soûr are the key locations [ie VP objectives]. Beirut has some minimal industrial capacity and infrastructure and some (of an indeterminate quantity) energy resources. Soûr has little to recommend it other than being a strategic coastal location. The capture of these two places would increase Turkey’s international prestige [ie add to the VP tally and fill the map out nicely], but otherwise would do little to aid the general war effort. Of course, Vichy remains neutral for now, though clearly in the Axis camp and thus a potential threat.
The Logistics Directorate provides a map indicating Turkish infrastructure leading to Syria – important for both movement and supply considerations. The foresight of the building of the Ankara-Adana railroad is now appreciated. The second stage of construction, which will bring that stretch of four provinces up to the same standard as the rest of the coastal provinces, is due to be completed in March 1941. Timely indeed
“Milli Şef, Prime Minister, colleagues – we have in recent weeks become resigned to the turn of events in France. We can only guess how long it may take the Germans to relocate their elite panzer forces to the east, but we must assume they shall do so. Well, we presume they will, unless they foolishly use them to garrison occupied France and the Low Countries rather than using second-line units for that task.”
“So be it. In any case, my advice remains we defend forward for as long as honour demands and our strength permits. But if the collapse of the line looks imminent, I believe we must fall all the way back to our prepared defences, in both the Calistar and Iskandar Lines. There at least we may have a measure of defence against these incessant and infernal Axis air raids, while we assemble our nascent Air Force, which will take quite some time before it may be able to perform a useful role against the Axis on the main front.”
“Thank you, Bayar. The Saudis have oil, to be sure, but the Axis has no easy way of shipping it to where they need it, especially considering the massive casualties the Italian Regia Marina has suffered at the hands of their British counterparts.”
“Of course, Bayar, my apologies. I was just contemplating a pest eradication program.
We have Agent Cennet in place and again free, and Darth Kelebek is en route.” A cloud moves across the sun at this point and darkens the room. Cabinet members look at each other uneasily. Corners, windows and doors are glanced at nervously.
That evening, the ‘Mk.1 Eyeball’ Flotilla arrives off Lebanon. They see a couple of HQ units and an indeterminate number of infantry brigades stationed in Beirut, but details are sketchy.
Definitely agree - the Cabinet is in alignment with this correspondent’s views.For whatever the word of a wartime correspondent is worth, I'll add my two cents.
My contacts in the Vichy regime and local postings in Syria seem to be of the consensus opinion that Vichy prefers to remain neutral, and while they remain Axis-aligned there is a strong anti-war sentiment among Vichy leadership. The French under Vichy rule have lost their stomach for war after over so many months of hard, grinding warfare against the schnitzel-sniffers and it would be difficult indeed to force them out of peace even against a less-dominating foe such as the Glorious Union (long may it stand, comrades!). Thus, while there is wisdom in guarding the Syrian border, I do not believe based on my sources that there is any imminent threat from this front. If the Axis do attempt to force the issue, perhaps by usurping the Vichy government, in that case we will have sufficient lead time to prepare defenses along that border before either the Germans or italians can prepare forces for the new Syrian front - let alone insert them into that theater under the watchful eye of the Royal Navy!
In light of this, I believe that a single full infantry division at the Syrian border is an adequate guard force, to be deployed only once there are no other pressing needs along the Yeniceri Line. Any ideas of offensive action should wait until the Axis is well and truly on the back foot in Europe, at which point it should pose no difficulty for Turkish high command to spare a few more divisions to commence an offensive operation in Syria.
(From a game mechanics perspective: if I recall correctly, Vichy France has very high neutrality when formed, which does not go down at a notably high rate. So it is unlikely that they will be able to join a faction or declare war on anybody before certain other historical events take their course.)
Thanks for the comment, extra material and suggestion re the Saudis.great episode as always. a lot of new juicy stuff, a new MTN div (yaayy go mountaineers!!!)
It snows ever so lightly
Commandos are in dire straits
There's an operation tonight
Oh paratrooper commando
Strike, strike mountaineer commando!
regarding the pacifity of vichy, syria can be in the backburner for a time but saudis? that's a big snake to become which needs to be decapitated before it finds its footing. i believe it only has 1 vp province and a quick amphibious strike across the hormuz straits with the surplus CAVs at hand might be enough to break its spine. maybe the Mk1 eyeball can go and take a look what's there?
great episode as always. a lot of new juicy stuff, a new MTN div (yaayy go mountaineers!!!)
It snows ever so lightly
Commandos are in dire straits
There's an operation tonight
Oh paratrooper commando
Strike, strike mountaineer commando!
regarding the pacifity of vichy, syria can be in the backburner for a time but saudis? that's a big snake to become which needs to be decapitated before it finds its footing. i believe it only has 1 vp province and a quick amphibious strike across the hormuz straits with the surplus CAVs at hand might be enough to break its spine. maybe the Mk1 eyeball can go and take a look what's there?
OORAH CADENCE!