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Really? The Marines, Army, and Navy would be surprised to learn that... as I think we brought it over from the English "Huzzah!"
There's also a wide disparity in how "Oorah" is pronounced... from a more apt pronunciation of the word, to a gruzzled "AAAaareh" to what basically amounts to a dog barking.
Really? The Marines, Army, and Navy would be surprised to learn that... as I think we brought it over from the English "Huzzah!"
There's also a wide disparity in how "Oorah" is pronounced... from a more apt pronunciation of the word, to a gruzzled "AAAaareh" to what basically amounts to a dog barking.
the US armed forces may have brought it from the english but they in turn brought it from the turks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oorah_(Marines) it seems there are other theories as well but i think the huzzah, hurrah, hurray etc all originated from proto turkic/mongolic "vur" or "vur ha" which would sound somewhat like how you described it.
Sadly I have never seen the Germans "roll up into a ball". And sadly I fear you will be on the defensive for a very long time. Unless the Allies REALLY slam into Europe with a massive invasion I fear the German might will be totally on you before Spring.
They may well be - but we always expected and will welcome the challenge! No glory without pain. [OOC: and I want the Axis AIs to make a genuine game of it. I really have no idea whether we'll be sitting in the Calistar and Iskandar Lines by mid-year or not! ]
Considering we were all rather worried Rhodes would be used as a staging round for bombing, naval bases and the base for an invasion of Turkey, I think Syria is a very serious hole in current defences. However many troops are there right now (probably not that many but enough to be annoying), they could be bolstered by Axis troops (probably Italians and Saudis, as well as the rest of the Vichy army) relatively easily from Arabia and if a transport slips past the British (who knows what they are going to do now). We need troops on the border at the very least and we need eyes watching that place carefully. I don't know yet what the terrain or utilities are around and in Syria but its currently the gap in our armour and the Axis have to be looking for one given the Eastern Front.
As mentioned by others below, I think there's time with Vichy Syria. We'll cook them slowly, but can react quite quickly if we need to. They are still neutral, while the Italians in Rhodes (curse the garlic-munchers) were a live threat. Which we ended up deciding to ignore anyway.
Ok, this is tricky. Fighting here will be hard and long winded, and if the enemy gets entrenched, pulling them out is going to be painful. We can assume basically no help from the British and expect at the very least Vichy and Arabian troops by the end of the year there. So...ideally you'd want mountain troops, armour and lots of planes to take this on. We have some reserves and maybe some troops that need the experience but we also don't have that many soldiers to spare. Provoking the Vichy into war against Anatolia directly may only speed up an invasion we aren't ready to repel.
It depends I guess on the British. They now have the excuse and capacity to take out the entire middle east and conquer it all or fill it with their own puppet states. Will they? I don't know. I think we all suspect that they'll do jack though, in spite of it making no sense in this regard. They can definitely take the peninsula and Syria with all their troops and allies in the area, and it would lock down a very messy front before it threatens the Canal, India or their oil.
Which means they probably wont even let Iraq fight these guys. We're probably on our own here so we need to pick our fights. Syria is threat number one simply because of location, even though Saudi Arabia is probably more threatening in the long run.
I guess that's the timescale we're working with then. If no troops or defences in Syria by then, take it just to be safe and sure. If they have got troops there...then we need to start building defences or prepare for a fight.
Per Diskoerectko's comments, we'll be taking another look at Saudi Arabia later in the month. I'd not be expecting any precipitate action out of a Chamberlain-led UK in the near future. And even if they do take some more ground in the Middle East - well Uncles Ismet and Joe may decide to liberate it for the proletariat some time in the longer term!
We'll see. I think if they'd been able to take Norway though, they would have by now. Unless they're laying off deliberately to keep Chamberlain in power as long as they can. A Sealion would be a bold option given their already very substantial eastern front. But one never knows.
Ah, and it all looked to be going so well. Unfortunately I believe they are correct in this. We need to be ready to fall back and pray the US will save Europe and the Russians can secure their own borders.
All is not lost yet - and a decent fight will make things (and this commentary) more interesting! [OOC: I by no means want to lose the game, but am not 'afraid' to, per se. Win or lose, tough fight = good story! ]
Good point...but the actual threat of them is that British troops are not defending the Middle East for some reason (o at least not very well) and the Iraqi army is away fighting Italians in North Africa. So...the Arabs could do some damage if they called their shots right. At least until the British actually do presumably start trying, which at least here I hope they will.
Have no fear, we'll be keeping a close eye on things. I just very much doubt the Saudis in this ATL are likely to cause too much drama. But if they do, we still have the reserves to be able to react. And to try calling our Soviet friends in if things get too bad.
In-fighting Is good for peacetime stability of the heads of governance...not wartime efforts. Settle 'em down or S.I.T.H. will bury their hatchets for them. You decide where.
I think it's probably pretty realistic - Eisenhower's main job as Supreme Allied Commander was to keep all the Allies (and indeed his own generals) from each other's throats. And these two will never end their feud. It is not in their natures. And Inonu is happy to see them at each other rather than at him. As long as it is kept to words in the sanctity of the Cabinet room, he will tolerate it. Robust exchange of views and all that. But you're right in that they had better not stray into any actually disruptive behaviour.
I almost threw in checking under the table again too, but they were all trying not to draw too much attention to their discomfort in front of their colleagues, so kept it to furtive glances at eye-level.
Glad you like them! I like to do that, especially when I know many of us flit around a lot of different works and sometimes it can be hard to keep up with the detail. If necessary, one can always refer to the last little section of the previous post for a scene setter.
Yes, I don't know how long this period of relative calm will last for: very much in unknown territory now. And yes, Vito very much needs Mikey now. You will see in the next update that Vito must make personal promises he may not like to have to make. But of course, Mikey wouldn't be bound to any personal oaths given ...
All: Thank you (and others to whose posts I responded to earlier) for all your comments and continued readership and interest! In the spirit of keeping things moving, the next episode is written, just needs that final edit and post!
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Chapter 104: A Nightingale Sang (6 to 15 December 1940)
Chapter 104: A Nightingale Sang (6 to 15 December 1940)
(3:59 min) Vera Lynn tries to keep the spirits of Chamberlain’s Britain up in a long, sad and cold lead-up to Christmas 1940.
Recap: It is a sad time for the Allies, with the recent loss of France. The United States sends moral support and embargoes the Axis, but it is the Soviet-Turkish led Comintern pact that carries the main fight against the surging Axis powers. The true time of test, trial and tribulation on Talking Turkey is too soon to be tackled [proudly brought to you by the Albanian All-Alliteration Almanac™, 1940 edition].
6 Dec 40 – Locarno (or is it Lugano?), Switzerland
Ambassador 'Vito' Ceylan is sitting in the back seat of his limousine, First Counsellor Tom Heygan by his side, as they drive south from Zurich. “So, what is this place we’re meeting at, Tom? Is it a set-up?”
“The Hotel Belvedere in Locarno, Your Excellency. Our guys have looked it over. It seems safe. The Vatican is guaranteeing it as neutral ground, through the Bank. They hold too much of the Tattaglias’ money for the Mafiosi to want to risk a double-cross.”
“OK. But I thought we were going to Lugano.” He hands Tom a postcard.
“Well, I’ve been told it’s Locarno, Boss. Two different places. That’s what it says on the map. And this leaflet for the Hotel that Vatican banker Bianchi sent us. Locarno, with an ‘r’. It's meant to be smaller and more picturesque."
“Ah, you say Locarno, I say Lugano.” Vito is vaguely exasperated – though it is probably his nerves causing this impatience. His recent near-death experience and the actual death of his eldest son at the hands of Tattaglia goons would give even the hardest man a little pause for thought.
“These Swiss, they have to make the town names so confusingly similar! But I guess we can’t call the whole thing off.”
“No, boss, you’re right. And you did call for these talks.”
“Yes, I’ll see what I can get out of it – but they will demand plenty in return.”
“I know, Boss, but you have been given wide powers to negotiate, not just on clandestine matters, but as the ranking Turkish diplomat left in Europe, outside London.”
“But I must make concessions to these murderous pezzo-novante. I don’ like it, but must do it, for the sake of the country and the family - to have Mikey by my side again. We will need him here before this war is done.”
“Here we are boss.”
The Belvedere Hotel in Locarno. Not Lugano. Or Lugarno.
Ceylan’s car arrives at the front of the venerable hotel and he is helped out. He must still use a walking stick. As he limps towards the hotel’s entrance in the cold evening air, he hears a nightingale sing … he pauses for a moment to listen to its song, then proceeds into the Hotel Belvedere.
The outcome of the meeting held that evening was written up by Tom Heygan and sent back to Ankara via coded transmission. A transcript of the report follows.
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Record of Discussions: Locarno Meeting, 6 December 1940
The Turkish ‘diplomatic' contingent sat on one side of the table, Ambassador Vatan ‘Vito’ Ceylan leading the Turks, supported by First Counsellor (‘Consiglieri’) Timur ‘Tom’ Heygan. On the other side, Philip Tattaglia led, with chief henchman Carlo Rizzi at his side. The conference room was arranged as ‘neutral ground’ by a senior officer of the Vatican Bank – Signor Marco Bianchi (a Calabrian, as he noted when he introduced himself). He explained this conflict between two of the bank’s most lucrative clients was ‘bad for business’ – the Bank wants it settled.
Bianchi sat at the head of the table, the Turkish party to his left (right on the photo), the Tattaglias opposite.
Ceylan thanked Bianchi for convening the meeting and then opened the negotiation. He addressed Bianchi rather than speaking to Tattaglia directly.
“How did things ever get so far? I don't know. It was so - unfortunate - so unnecessary. Tattaglia lost a son - and I lost a son. We're quits. And if Tattaglia agrees, then I'm willing to - let things go on the way they were before...”
“We're all grateful to Ambassador Ceylan for calling for this meeting. We all know him as a man of his word - a modest man - he'll always listen to reason...” opined Bianchi, trying to broker the peace.
“Yes, Signor Bianchi - he's too modest.” Philip Tattaglia is clearly not in a conciliatory mood. “He represents the Turkish Government which had Immobiliare in its pocket and refused to share …”
Philip Tattaglia at the Locarno Meeting.
“When - when did we ever refuse an accommodation?” Ceylan projected the voice of reason. “All of you here know me - when did I ever refuse? Just once. And why? Because Lucchesi and the Sicilian crime families and the Fascists were going to sabotage the deal to destroy us, murdering the Pope and seeking to assassinate our Presidents – on three different occasions! And I believed that - then - and I believe that now.”
“Times have changed, Ambassador,” Bianchi interjected. “It's not like the Old Days - when we can do anything we want. A refusal to share in the profits is not the act of a friend. If Turkey has all of Immobiliare, then they must share the investments, or let us others use them. It must let us draw the water from the well. Certainly, Turkey can present a bill for such services; after all - we are not Communists.” This draws laughter from the Tattaglia side, though the Turks were less amused.
“I hoped that we would come here and reason together. And as a reasonable nation Turkey is willing to do whatever's necessary to find a peaceful solution to these problems...” Ceylan nodded towards Bianchi.
“Then we are agreed,” stated the Vatican banker. “The investment of Immobiliare funds will be permitted - but controlled. And there will be peace.”
“But I must have strict assurance from Ceylan,” interrupted Tattaglia. “As time goes by and his position becomes stronger, will he attempt any individual vendetta? I hear mention of someone called the ‘Kelebek Kompositor’; that he may have travelled to Europe recently.”
“Look - we are all reasonable men here; we don't have to give assurances as if we were lawyers ...” observed Bianchi.
Ceylan raised his hand politely to interrupt Bianchi and at last talked to Philip Tattaglia directly.
“You talk about vengeance - is vengeance gonna bring your son back to you? Or my boy to me? I forgo the vengeance of my son. But I have selfish reasons.” He stood, with Tom Heygan’s assistance: he is not yet fully recovered from his earlier shooting, which he had the forbearance and dignity not to refer to. “My youngest son, a former officer of the Turkish Army, was forced to go into hiding because of this vendetta.”
Vito Ceylan. “Is vengeance gonna bring your son back? Or my boy to me?”
“I wish to make arrangements to bring him here to Switzerland safely - cleared of any threat on his life. But I'm a superstitious man - and if some unlucky accident should befall him - if he should get shot in the head by a police officer - or if he should hang himself in a jail cell - or if he's struck by a bolt of lightning - then I'm going to blame some of the people in this room. And that, I do not forgive.”
“But, that aside, let me say that I swear - on the souls of my grandchildren - that I will not be the one to break the peace that we have made here today.”
Ceylan approached the head of the table. Tattaglia did the same. They embraced as Bianchi looked on and the others applauded. It would be peace.
Keep your friends close – and your enemies closer!
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Meanwhile, as events play out in Locarno, a package arrives in Ankara for Perse. Something to lighten up the mood – for some, anyway!
Entertainment News, US. The comedy film Go West starring the Marx Brothers is released. It is the tenth Marx Brothers film, in which Groucho, Chico, and Harpo head to the American West and attempt to unite a couple by ensuring that a stolen property deed is retrieved.
BJ Guildenstern arranges for a copy to be sent to Perse in Ankara with a note, suggesting the Turks may again want to use it as 'Marxist' propaganda. He thinks she may be amused - and is right. But Tom Rosencrantz is definitely not amused. For him, it is being too flippant about one of his Communist idols. Typical capitalist! Perhaps he may also be a bit jealous, too.
7 Dec 40
A production update shows all upgrade (increased for now due to recent advances) and reinforcement requirements are being fully met. Supplies are healthy, so none are being stockpiled. The new mountain division is in full training. The CO of their training school, Lieutenant Colonel Diskoerekto, has begun their training by teaching them a Komando marching song as they slog up the hills in their combat kit.
Diskoerekto, for services rendered and it being a time of war when all patriots must rally to the colours, you have been promoted to run the MountainKomando Training School. Vur Vur!
And the expensive – perhaps foolish, but dearly coveted by Chief Örlungat – TAC wing has begun a slow production cycle with the small amount of excess capacity left over. And it doesn't use too much manpower. More industrial capacity will become available later. Longer term, not only may they be useful for hitting the Fascist-Imperialists, but after that there are also the Capitalist-Imperialists to think about. Turkey vows it will be ready for that challenge, no matter how far in the future it may lie!
At 7am, the Soviets advise they have lost the province of Semska Mitrovica, which they had briefly held. Their short offensive has thus ended, with any gains being surrendered back to the Axis. Turkey remains hunkered down on its well-entrenched Yeniçeri Line.
9 Dec 40
Another Afghan spy is apprehended. And never seen again. Meanwhile, another research advance is made: this is part of the plan to not simply boost the capacity of the six (experienced and well-used) cavalry brigades of the Turkish Army, but mainly to allow the eventual indigenous production of MOT brigades. And maybe even MECH infantry one day. Attention switches to cavalry small arms again.
10 Dec 40
A new militia brigade is raised. Given the decision to hold the defence forward, it is placed in the important port and air base of Tirane, in the Albanian GNR.
11 Dec 40
A quiet period at the front is broken by the resumption of Axis air raids (the Hungarians again), on Timisoara. 141 men are killed in three raids.
12 Dec 40
The air raids continue, three more of them killing another 257 troops in Timisoara.
13 Dec 40
Hungarian attention switches next to the old battlefield of Ada, with two air raids killing 105 troops there.
15 Dec 40
After a break on 14 December, the Hungarians restart their raids on Ada with a vengeance, with three raids killing 421 Turkish troops there. However, in the almost two weeks since the fall of France, there has been no ground combat in the Turkish sector (other than the Soviets advancing and then retreating in former Yugoslavia) and no reports yet, on any part of the Eastern Front, of large increases in German numbers, nor of any panzer divisions. But it was always expected these would take some time to make their way over, so there is no complacency.
As Inönü glances through his daily news clippings, there is one piece that grabs his attention: another ham-fisted attempt by the potato-chompers to win over the French people. It is so risible and inept that he suspects the infamously foolish and insulting Deputy Führer Rudolf Hess may be behind it! It is just the kind of silly and counter-productive ploy he would advocate. He is truly a bumbling bratwurst-for-brains buffoon!
News Report: Paris, Occupied France. The ashes of Napoleon II are brought from Vienna to Paris, exactly one hundred years to the day since the retour des cendres when Napoleon Bonaparte's repatriated remains were interred at Les Invalides. The move is meant as a gesture of reconciliation on the part of Hitler, but a popular joke among the French goes that the Parisians would have preferred coal to ashes.
When Napoleon I abdicated on 4 April 1814, he named his son as Emperor. However, the coalition partners that had defeated him refused to acknowledge his son as successor; thus Napoleon I was forced to abdicate unconditionally a number of days later. Although Napoleon II never actually ruled France, he was briefly the titular Emperor of the French in 1815 after the fall of his father. When his cousin Louis-Napoléon Bonaparte became the next emperor by founding the Second French Empire in 1852, he called himself Napoleon III to acknowledge Napoleon II and his brief reign.
Napoléon François Charles Joseph Bonaparte (b. 20 March 1811 d. 22 July 1832) or “Napoleon II”. The return of (most of) his remains must have been a wonderful morale booster for the people of occupied France. They are reportedly barely able to contain their joy and gratitude for Hitler’s gesture. Ahem.
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World Combat Round-up
It being the middle of the month, the Milli Şef receives an overview of recent development in the key operational theatres.
While the Turkish sector has been relatively quiet now for the last two weeks, there has been plenty happening with the Soviets and in Romania. By midnight on 15 December, the Soviets still hold Debrecen in Hungary, though it is now an exposed salient. They have expanded their significant bridgehead in Poland and to its north. The Germans have (as earlier reported) retaken Memel, though the Soviets are confident that a counter-attack currently in progress will win it back soon. But, as has been the case for months, gains and losses along the front are roughly even.
And a report of air action along the front over the last week shows where the fighting has been most intense. In the far north, the Soviets have been contesting the skies with fighters based out of the former Baltic states. And supporting their own combat operations with offensive ground strikes in Poland and defensive missions in the north.
The Iraqis have resumed the advance in Libya and are not far off Tripoli now.
And we can infer from this air action report that the British are providing some intense air support for an attack on Misurata.
In the re-opened Ethiopian front, the British now look to take over the running after the French withdrawal.
Things have slowed down in the Far East. But while there are no more inroads into Soviet territory since the beginning of the month, Japan and its puppet allies continue to advance in Mongolia. It seems they are trying to knock them out of the war. A more detailed examination of the front there (and how those Romanian troops are going) will be made at the end of the month.
Naval Report – as at midnight 15 Dec 40
In the first half of the month, a few more naval losses have been reported. The Soviets have not suffered any more sub losses (still standing at five) but have lost a light cruiser in the Far East.
The Svetlana-class was a class of four light cruisers built for the Imperial Russian Navy (IRN) during the 1910s. Construction was interrupted by World War I, the Russian Revolution and the Russian Civil War. Only Svetlana of the quartet was completed by the Soviet Union as a cruiser. The Svetlana, now renamed Profintern, became fully operational in 1928 and was transferred to the Black Sea Fleet the following year. She was extensively overhauled in the late 1930s and her anti-aircraft armament was greatly augmented. In OTL the ship was renamed Krasnyi Krym upon the completion of her overhaul in 1939. Standard displacement 6,860 t; main armament 15 × single 130 mm (5.1 in) guns; complement 630. Sunk by the IJNS Mutsu (BB) in December 1940. Talk about an overmatch!
The Germans have lost another U-boat flotilla (bringing their sub losses to nine since the start of the war). But the British have had a measure of revenge (pun intended) for the loss of the Revenge-class battleship HMS Ramilles in November.
The KMS Schleswig-Holstein[designated as a BC in-game] was laid down 18 August 1905, launched 17 December 1906, commissioned 6 July 1908. It was already out-dated by the time it entered service, being inferior in size, armour, firepower and speed to the new generation of dreadnought battleships. As refitted in 1939: complement 35 officers and 708 enlisted men; standard displacement 13,200 t; main armament 4 × 28 cm (11 in) guns in twin turrets. Sunk by HMS Hood (BC) December 1940.
The Italians have also lost another sub (eight now sunk), along with the 11 destroyer flotillas, 16 transports and now 18 major surface ships lost since they entered the war barely six months ago, with the loss of another light cruiser.
The RM Eugenio di Savoia was part of the fourth group of Condottieri-class light cruisers, also known as the Duca d'Aosta class. Laid down 6 July 1933; launched 16 March 1935; commissioned 16 January 1936. Standard displacement 8,450 t; complement 578; main armament 8 × 152 mm (6 in.) guns in twin turrets. Sunk by the British 56th Destroyer Squadron (DD) December 1940.
Nothing is heard of the French fleet. They appear not to have lost a single naval combat vessel during the war. Turkey awaits an intelligence summary from the British to discover what became of the French Fleet after the capitulation.
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Coming Up: The Turkish Supreme Command will consider a recommendation by LTCOL Diskoerekto of the Mountain Komando School to examine the possibility of a quick knock-out blow against Saudi Arabia. A joint planning team is set the task of examining options. The winter seems to have brought on a quieter period at the battlefront and in the Secret War. But such short periods of respite never last for long – do they? The Comintern waits with some trepidation for the rumble of German panzers to intrude upon the relative quiet of the winter lines in the east. In North Africa, the Italians appear to be in danger of being thrown out of their colonial holdings.
Veteran soldiers on both sides of the line take advantage of whatever quiet they can find to tend to their entrenchments, check the barbed wire and other obstacles, try to keep warm (at least the Turks have been issued winter equipment and clothing) and sleep. So long as their officers and NCOs let them! And gripe and complain a lot, of course. Once they stop doing that, the officers know they are in trouble!
great episode as always and YESSS for the promotion I'm honored to be the commander of the world renowned Eğirdir Dağ Komando Okulu ve Eğitim Merkezi Komutanlığı! (Probably known by then as the Eğirdir Dağ Talimgâh Birliği) That is an institution on the coast of lake Eğirdir with all the mountains and different difficult climate conditions can be found there.
in August 30 1941 my boys will perform some cheesy but difficult ass shows for the victory day parade if they won't be in some mountain or desert shedding their blood for the motherland and the great cause!
THE STRONG! THE BRAVE! THE READY! VUR VUR DAĞCI KOMANDO!!!
great episode as always and YESSS for the promotion I'm honored to be the commander of the world renowned Eğirdir Dağ Komando Okulu ve Eğitim Merkezi Komutanlığı! (Probably known by then as the Eğirdir Dağ Talimgâh Birliği) That is an institution on the coast of lake Eğirdir with all the mountains and different difficult climate conditions can be found there.
in August 30 1941 my boys will perform some cheesy but difficult ass shows for the victory day parade if they won't be in some mountain or desert shedding their blood for the motherland and the great cause!
THE STRONG! THE BRAVE! THE READY! VUR VUR DAĞCI KOMANDO!!!
An excellent update and I like what Vito is doing in Locarno
An aside: I served with the Turkish army when my Regiment was the UN force in Cyprus (UNFICYP) in mid 90s. The Greeks were a shower of shit-the Turks extremely disciplined and well ordered. We all knew that if it had kicked off they would absolutely have wiped the floor with the Greeks
A question for you @Bullfilter : what is this question about a 3 Brigade Divisions? The game seems to set them up as 8 brigades but everyone says 3 brigades is much better and I am wondering why? British Army in my day had 4 Brigade Divs (1st, 7th and 20th Armoured + a support Brigade) but back in WWII days consisted of 8 Brigades + which might be why the game opts for that. Thoughts?
Excellent! You will have seen the way I play the characters with others - it's a kind of informally agreed thing: in game he's my character, but inspired by your 'position' and comments. Basically, a lot of the time it means comments you might make come out in advice to the Cabinet etc. But beware, it's not a role-playing game, so the character has signed his rights over to me . You can plausibly deny anything he says. I'll treat it like the rest of the 'commentator characters' in the AAR.
That guy in the fifth picture looks so done with that officer's shit. I can sympathize, being Infantry myself.
@Asantahene, you might be mixing up a Battalion with a Brigade. Max number of Brigades (without Superior Firepower tech) is four. They went to battalions in HoI4 to better reflect how troops were assigned to divisions.
It is the opinion of this American Soldier that a quick strike on the Kingdom is possible: generally, the forces--since they're Axis--are focused towards Iraq or Oman. Landing a Cav (or other speedy) unit in Jeddah and conducting a rapid approach march to Riyadh usually topples them, as they only keep their HQs in the city.
A question for you @Bullfilter : what is this question about a 3 Brigade Divisions? The game seems to set them up as 8 brigades but everyone says 3 brigades is much better and I am wondering why? British Army in my day had 4 Brigade Divs (1st, 7th and 20th Armoured + a support Brigade) but back in WWII days consisted of 8 Brigades + which might be why the game opts for that. Thoughts?
@Asantahene, you might be mixing up a Battalion with a Brigade. Max number of Brigades (without Superior Firepower tech) is four. They went to battalions in HoI4 to better reflect how troops were assigned to divisions.
Was about to say something similar (though not knowing how the HOI4 system dealt with it). So at the moment, my standard combat div is essentially triangular (3 x INF bdes) plus an arty ‘bde’. Eventually going to a five bde div structure (as noted by Wraith above - needs a tech I don’t have yet) I can either add another inf bde or more specialist weapons (engr or AT bdes, for my money). Very nice for a mech div: you can go tank/mech/mech/TD/SP arty, or or tank/tank/mech+ for an armd div.
The UK could declare war the next expect turkey to, you know, fight for them. And you wouldn't have much choice but to do it. Cunning little weasels, aren't they?
“But I must have strict assurance from Ceylan,” interrupted Tattaglia. “As time goes by and his position becomes stronger, will he attempt any individual vendetta? I hear mention of someone called the ‘Kelebek Kompositor’; that he may have travelled to Europe recently.”
"Perhaps you could explain why everyone, including my own ratwhisperers, seem so terrified of a Turkish agent. We Europeans have been led to believe that the whole Service is merda."
"Perhaps you could explain why everyone, including my own ratwhisperers, seem so terrified of a Turkish agent. We Europeans have been led to believe that the whole Service is merda."
Not completely bad (they did manage to eventually foil the Great Conspiracy, where they were up against Germany, Japan, Italy and most of the Mafia to both survive and get their revenge - and Immobiliare), but quite evenly matched. I like my “good” guys to have to do it tough and never be assured of winning, or doing so without the risk of suffering important casualties.
I'm genuinely surprised Ogel is still in a job, he has enough internal rivals you'd have thought they would have capitalised on his incompetence. When the cabinet find out how much Vito gave away they are going to be deeply pissed off, to be brutally honest full control of Immobilari is worth far more than all of Turkish Intelligence put together. Letting that happen has got to be a sacking offence.
That said he may survive as the cabinet is too busy sacking Örlungat - Yak-4s! There are worse planes on the Eastern Front, but not many. I'm sure the Soviets are trying very hard to dump all their dangerously useless designs on Turkey, but that's no reason to keep buying them. Serious words need to be had with the Örlungat and, ideally, a competent replacement lined up.
I'm genuinely surprised Ogel is still in a job, he has enough internal rivals you'd have thought they would have capitalised on his incompetence. When the cabinet find out how much Vito gave away they are going to be deeply pissed off, to be brutally honest full control of Immobilari is worth far more than all of Turkish Intelligence put together. Letting that happen has got to be a sacking offence.
I almost explicitly mentioned it in the feedback after the last Cabinet meeting, but will now: if you look at the screen with the Cabinet on it, there actually isn’t any alternative provided to Ogel: it is a job for life! And (like in the movies, where this was judge and police influence rather than Immobiliare, as I’ve scrambled the timelines) they intend to sell any influence dearly - making even more money by charging the others a premium than they would have made just using it for their own projects alone. Perhaps it was even part of their plan all along? Ceylan was given authority in advance to make that concession and it was Inonu himself that gave the authorisation, so he and Ogel are safe. Quite apart from the game not letting me sack the latter, even if I wanted! And there is a plan for eventual revenge on all these pezzonovante (when isn’t there? ) and getting Mickey safely to Zurich is part of it. But it will be dined on cold.
That said he may survive as the cabinet is too busy sacking Örlungat - Yak-4s! There are worse planes on the Eastern Front, but not many. I'm sure the Soviets are trying very hard to dump all their dangerously useless designs on Turkey, but that's no reason to keep buying them. Serious words need to be had with the Örlungat and, ideally, a competent replacement lined up.
I know, I know, but Orlungat wants an Air Force, with TAC, and other than no-tech Mk1 ‘Blenheims’, there is literally no other choice - no-one else is selling licenses.
@Asantahene, you might be mixing up a Battalion with a Brigade. Max number of Brigades (without Superior Firepower tech) is four. They went to battalions in HoI4 to better reflect how troops were assigned to divisions.
ok so in HOi4 there are seemingly 8 slots on the left and 4 on the right (or is it the other way round?). I presume the 4 slots are for Brigades and the 8 slots for Battalions? It doesnt really explain in the manual or Wiki
Was about to say something similar (though not knowing how the HOI4 system dealt with it). So at the moment, my standard combat div is essentially triangular (3 x INF bdes) plus an arty ‘bde’. Eventually going to a five bde div structure (as noted by Wraith above - needs a tech I don’t have yet) I can either add another inf bde or more specialist weapons (engr or AT bdes, for my money). Very nice for a mech div: you can go tank/mech/mech/TD/SP arty, or or tank/tank/mech+ for an armd div.
thanks mate-still trying to get the hang of it all and noticed a lot of chatter in the forums and Wiki about switching down to 3 Bde structure-there doesnt seem much point in having a 3 Battalion structure as that would be vastly underpowered-I will stick to the triangular format that you mention methinks
ok so in HOi4 there are seemingly 8 slots on the left and 4 on the right (or is it the other way round?). I presume the 4 slots are for Brigades and the 8 slots for Battalions? It doesnt really explain in the manual or Wiki
There are 5 x 5 slots on the right (as one looks at it, at least there used to be. Not entirely sure with the new expansion--I've not played it enough) for "line battalions" while the five on the left are for support battalions.
As for back in HoI3, we only have a total of five slots, though that fifth comes with the tech. Depending on what the situation is, sometimes a 4xINF is best (especially for "special forces" brigades: Mountaineer, Paratroops or Marines), but in general 3xINF 1xCMBT SPT (ART, AT, AA, ENG, etc) is most flexible. 2xINF and 2x CMBT SPT can be used in a pinch but sacrifices significant organization and morale boosts. For Armored divisions, the "small" build is ARM, MOT/MECH, SP-ART, ENG/AC (AC gives a speed boost), with the "big" having an extra MOT/MECH brigade.
I'm genuinely surprised Ogel is still in a job, he has enough internal rivals you'd have thought they would have capitalised on his incompetence. When the cabinet find out how much Vito gave away they are going to be deeply pissed off, to be brutally honest full control of Immobilari is worth far more than all of Turkish Intelligence put together
I agree. We've seen exactly two competent people involved with intelligence who reliably got stuff done. One of them is dead and the other is an OP max level GMPC we can't use that often. Everyone else struggles to defeat the dregs of Imperial Intelligence and the French police. Unless they've been rubbish on purpose to mess with everyone and then there'll be that scene from godfather one coming up where they kill literally everyone in their way in one go. Even then, not sure how they pull that off without the army or most of SITH being smuggled into Italy to do such a thing. Or we could become terrorists and start planting bombs everywhere.
Of course this is all academic if the defence line breaks in Yugoslavia. I do really hope one day that the Turks make it into Italy though...although at the same time I sorta don't want them to because they'll massacre a lot of people if they do so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oorah_(Marines) it seems there are other theories as well but i think the huzzah, hurrah, hurray etc all originated from proto turkic/mongolic "vur" or "vur ha" which would sound somewhat like how you described it.
