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Chapter CXXVII: Heroes of the Dialectic.
Chapter CXXVII: Heroes of the Dialectic.

The Spanish Civil War had never been an entirely Spanish affair, the country had been a hotbed for foreign intelligence operatives since long before the war had started, however it's internationalisation was still something of a drawn out affair. The summer of 1937 marked the next step in that process, the first official clash between explicitly foreign volunteers. Of course such clashes had already unofficially occurred, for instance in the battles around Almazan in the Spring many of the Republican T-26s had Soviet 'advisers' as crews, while the Boys rifles that kept them out of the town were fired by British 'trainers'. However, by unspoken agreement such clashes had been kept quiet - it served both sides to keep their foreign backers in the shadows. The Valencia Campaign would see that change, when the two sides 'official' foreign volunteer units finally clashed, it would be in a blaze of publicity.

First it is necessary to clear up a bit of terminology, like so many things in the war 'foreign volunteer' was an irregular phrase; I have brave international volunteers come to aid the cause, my allies have imported overseas mercenaries fighting for gold and the thrill of combat, the enemy have sold their soul to foreign invaders come to impose alien ways of life on the country. In truth the overseas troops had more in common than propagandists on either side wanted to admit, starting with the fact that neither set was particularly concerned by Spain in and of itself. The average 'politically' motivated volunteer (as opposed to the adventurers and the desperate) saw Spain as just one battle front in a wider ideological conflict, the actual reality of the conflict in Iberia being less important than the national politics of the volunteer's own country. The volunteers were also (mostly) united in their greenness, while there was a scattering of veterans who had fought in the Great War, or other conflicts, the majority had not and so had to substitute enthusiasm and ideological conviction for training and experience.

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André Marty, pictured in his trademark ill-fitting beret, giving a speech to enthralled International Brigade volunteers in the Summer of 1937. A leading light of the French Communist Party (the PCF, Parti Communiste Français), member of the Secretariat and Praesidium of the Comintern and possessor of a suitably legendary commitment to Communism, he was Stalinist Communist aristocracy and as such had been picked by Moscow as controller of the International Brigades. Unfortunately for the volunteers of the Brigade, Marty was such a loyal Stalinist that he had adopted the paranoia and purging habits of Stalin and brought them with him to Spain. Before the end of the war he would order the execution of at least 500 Brigadiers for treason, cowardice or just a 'lack of doctrinal soundness', countless others being merely imprisoned. He was also responsible for the decision that the volunteer Brigadiers had 'volunteered' for the duration of the war, and so would not be getting their passport or identification documents back until the war was won. This decision was made very shortly after he had overseen many of those documents being packaged up and shipped to Moscow for use by the NKVD.

We begin with the Republicans and the celebrated International Brigades. While never quite as poet heavy as some would claim, at least 80% of the 'Brigadiers' were working class manual labourers, the Brigades did attract the bulk of the literary types who volunteered to fight on the Republican side and so have had more written about them than any other unit in the war. The idea of a Comintern volunteer force had been first suggested by the British and French Communist Parties in the immediate aftermath of the coup, once it became clear a civil war was inevitable. This had not fitted in with the Soviet's diplomatic plans, at that time Stalin still hoped for an alliance with France and Britain to contain Germany, so Soviet aid was kept low profile and government to government, this was felt to be less inflammatory to western political opinion. It was only after the Amsterdam Conference that Stalin abandoned any hope of getting Britain into an alliance and concentrated on France, at which point Maurice Thorez, leader of the PCF, finally managed to push through the plans for the International Brigades. Somewhat ironically the Comintern rubber stamped the order on their creation on the same day that the Soviet Foreign Minister, Maxim Litvinov, was signing up to the League of Nations initiative on non-intervention in Spain. In fairness the initiative just committed the signatories to think about looking at ways to do something about the problem at some point in the future, so this was not quite as hypocritical as it may first seem. Given this background it is unsurprising the Brigades were almost the archetypal Stalinist project; there were quotas and targets for recruits, the subversion of expertise and experience to political diktat and the channelling of youthful energy and enthusiasm towards cynical ends.

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Maxim Litvinov, People's Commissar of Foreign Affairs of the Soviet Union, effectively the Soviet Foreign Secretary. Since Hitler's rise to power in Germany the Soviet's main foreign policy objective had been collective security in Europe, which in practice meant securing defensive agreements with the Western Powers. With Stalin distracted by internal matters Litvinov had been given a free hand to pursue this without the usual Politburo oversight, perhaps as a result of this he able to negotiate the 1935 Franco-Soviet Treaty of Mutual Assistance and the related Czechoslovak-Soviet Treaty of Alliance. Initially these treaties had been hamstrung by France's insistence that the Locarno Pact Powers (essentially Italy and Britain) had veto over the mutual defence and military aid clauses being triggered. However after the Abyssinian War Paris had cooled on the idea of tying her foreign policy to either of those nations and was looking at her diplomatic options. The Spanish Civil War offered Moscow a chance to turn Franco-Soviet co-operation on the ground into a more traditional and solid defensive treaty.

Once the creation of the Brigades was agreed by the Comintern the Communist parties of Europe were given their quotas of required manpower and sent to work recruiting, the French PCF taking the lead both in numbers and organisation. The Comintern did not want the best and brightest, high profile leaders and those who had a possible future in Popular Front electoral efforts were to be kept out of the fighting, but equally it was not a complete barrel scrapping exercise. All recruits were interviewed by the local party hierarchy and non-party members were carefully vetted before being sent to Paris, despite these restrictions the Brigades would eventually field the equivalent of two light infantry divisions. The first men arrived at the tail end of 1936 and spent the winter training and equipping, as one of the key instruments of Soviet policy they had first call on the Soviet supply shipments and this, along with their sky high morale, was soon to mark them among the elite units on the Republican side. In the spring campaign they accompanied the PSOE/PCE (PSOE, Partido Socialista Obrero Español, Spanish Socialist Workers' Party / PCE, Partido Comunista de España, Communist Party of Spain) and their T-26s on the drive for Burgos in the spring. After the bloody clash at Almazan the T-26s withdrew to lick their wounds and re-equip, prompting the PSOE/PCE to call the Brigades forward to support their efforts to restart the stalled offensive and regain the initiative.

The formation of the Brigades had been delayed by high politics, or perhaps realpolitk, as Moscow calibrated it's involvement in Spain to match it's wider objectives. The other factions in Spain had not been so limited, the Trotskyist POUM (Partido Obrero de Unificación Marxista , Workers' Party of Marxist Unification) had issued a call for volunteers shortly after the war broke out, despite their limited numbers compared to the Stalinists they still rallied over a thousand volunteers, including a much higher proportion of Great War veterans, these experienced men ended up as the backbone of the elite Lenin Division. The POUM, shunned by the main Republican government and hated by the Soviet backed PSOE/PCE forces, had aligned themselves with the anarchists due to a lack of options, thus the Lenin Division would find itself tasked with clearing out Catalonia alongside the remaining Catalan militias and the anarchist forces. The anarchists themselves were, typically, more divided on the issue of foreign volunteers. The CNT-FAI (CNT, Confederación Nacional del Trabajo, National Confederation of Labour - FAI, Federación Anarquista Ibérica, Iberian Anarchist Federation) leadership generally felt they had enough manpower and really wanted more weapons and supplies. However there was a strong theoretical argument that if someone wanted to fight in Spain, then as anarchists they shouldn't be stopping people from doing so. The issue was resolved on a column by column basis, some accepting foreign volunteers with open arms and others trying to send them back to rally support in their home countries. The shock of the casualties taken during the Catalonia campaign would prompt most columns to accept any half fit volunteer who turned up, if only to help replenish the ranks.

In the next chapter we will turn out attention to those who travelled to Spain to fight for the Monarchist cause, in the main these were not men motivated by a dream of Carlist restoration but by the chance to fight against the Republicans and their backers.

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This started as a quick check of how the international situation would change the International Brigades and then spiralled into this. From the top;

André Marty was that unpleasant, did order at least that many volunteers shot, did ship everyone's passports to Moscow and was a proper hard line Stalinist right till the end. His heroic communist background was his unclear involvement in the mutiny of a French dreadnought in the Black Sea that was supporting the Whites in the Russian Civil War. The mutiny had nothing to do with communist support and everything to do with pay, rations and the crew not being demobilised after WW1. It also wasn't clear how involved Marty actually was, but he ended up being imprisoned by the French government for mutiny so it worked out for him in the end. There is no start to his military talents but he loved to interfere with the operations of the Brigade, this didn't end well in OTL and won't end well in Butterfly.

The International Brigades are about two months late compared to OTL, the Comintern probably don't like being told to shut up and wait but will do it, because Moscow told them to. This will mean more 'leakage' of volunteers to other factions who are getting organised, but with France officially on-side with the Republicans it will be easier to organise so those two factors net out. Total number of Brigadiers is about OTL and with that they managed 20,000 volunteers active at once (hence ~2 divisions). In OTL the Comintern/Moscow agreed the International Brigades at the same time as Non-Intervention Committee was meeting, so it seemed apt to carry that over with the dates changed.

In a more character driven, or more Soviet, AAR Maxim Litvinov would be worth a chapter or two on his own. Soviet foreign policy was 'Collective Security for much of the 1930s as Litvinov was allowed to freelance policy while Stalin focused on the domestic. This allowed him to run a pro-League of Nations, collaborative and alliance focused foreign policy despite it being the exact opposite of the official Comintern line at the time (which was 'The revolution is imminent, no co-operation with anyone but the revolutionary vanguard, etc). Must have made for some fun meetings. That aside he was the son of a Jewish banking family, one of the organisers of the famous Tbilisi bank raid in 1907, annoyed Stalin several times but still somehow ended up dying of old age.

The Trotskyist 'Lenin Division' is OTL, didn't get quite that many volunteers but with the International Brigades being delayed it is picking up some extra. It did get much more experienced volunteers in OTL, they formed the shock troops of the Lenin Division, if they can get some proper equipment from Catalonia and avoid being purged they will make more of an impact than they did historically.

The CNT-FAI were a bit funny about volunteers in OTL, they wanted people to stay in France and agitate to get Paris to join on the Republican side but felt they had to make an effort to be true to their anarchist values. As France is already on side they've softened a bit TTL, particularly given the losses they are taking, but as with all things related to the anarchists in Spain it would vary between columns.
 
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Marty, the Butcher of Albacete...

Here is a man who should not have died in his bed. I hope some POUM Brigadiste/Overzealous Tchekist/Monarchist patrol will set things right
 
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Update at top of page. It was such a tempting opportunity I had to take it, responses to earlier comments below.

Yes but in a two party system all he had to do was be better than Hoover (the other party's guy), also I dispute your claim that even an idiot could have lead an economic boom, an idiot would have had some kind of moral neutrality (quite pleased I worked that in) and not have sold any weapons or materials to the bloodthirsty Europeians, say what was the Republican position on that at the time? (no seriously what was it?)
The Republican position was complicated, but it was never going to oppose selling things to Europe. Selling things on credit and lend-lease, trickier but would probably have happened. After all they did nominate Wendell Willkie, who was definitely interventionist and in favour of supporting Britain/France, as candidate in the 1940 election.

Urgh, not another conspiracy theory...;)
One of the many reasons I decided not to be a historian was I couldn't face a lifetime of correcting popular but incorrect historical views/conspiracy theories. The idea of having to, for example, repeatedly explain that the Maginot Line actually worked as intended at a fairly reasonable cost just seemed too grim.

An alternate conspiracy theory (I think I read it in John Costello's The Pacific War) was that Churchill knew through radio interception and code-cracking that the IJN was going to strike, and kept mum about it.
Well I know that Allied intelligence in Europe and Africa was very good to the point of being unrealistically good at times, but not sure about the Pacific, especially at that time when they'd basically withdrawn from fighting there.
No idea if Costello got it right. IIRC, he said that at a time when the US government was still unsure the early news of the raid were confirmed, some US official (can't remember who, and I lost the book so cannot check it out) was having a meeting with some British one (can't remember that one either) and was surprised to have the Briton pledging support against Japan. Costello concluded the British government seemed to have all the confirmation it needed, as if he expected the strike. Oh well, we sure love our conspiracies, don't we, they make things both more interesting and, I suppose reassuring, as things always happen for a reason. I suppose it is more comforting than to think our world is just one blunder away from catastrophe. nd well, they can make for good fiction books from time to time.
As always with a good conspiracy theory there are a few facts at the base of this. The British had broken the Japanese Naval Code JN-25 as early as 1939, it's even in the British official history of the war, but the US hadn't. However, Japan had changed part of the code a few days before the Pearl Harbour attack, though the change didn't help much as the code had been re-broken by January 1942, there are published decrypts in the Australian national archive to prove it.

There's enough facts in there, combined with enough bits that aren't known (exactly when Britain re-broke JN-25, how thoroughly it was broken (every message or just some), did Japan even send radio messages about Pearl Harbour or was it all done face to face, etc), to keep a good conspiracy going for years. The fact most of the key sites were thoroughly destroyed by the war means the documentary record isn't great, which is ideal to explain why there is no actual proof.
 
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Make it two readers...

You would have even more if the forum didn't stop sending notifications once the reader hasn't posted in a 'long time'...

I realized through Atlantic Friend that you had another update out...and discover that actually it's two and four pages of comments.

Good to be back, and what tech porn is next on the agenda?
 
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You would have even more if the forum didn't stop sending notifications once the reader hasn't posted in a 'long time'...

I realized through Atlantic Friend that you had another update out...and discover that actually it's two and four pages of comments.

Good to be back, and what tech porn is next on the agenda?

Well I think the sea plane sidelined the project so hard that it's not coming back from its watery depths just yet (yet much like the whole AAR that is not dead which can eternally lie so it's entered possible it just lies in the South Pacific dreaming)...tractors were also of interest for a while but again, in connection to South America (which may well be termed the black hole of the butterfly universe) so...tanks? If we are going back to the civil war, it must go back to tanks eventually but this civil war, with much more overt and important foreign involvement, might see some more air action too.

Oh, and at some point the British need to offload (I.e. Sell for as much as they can get away with) all their old guns and ammunition because they've ditched it for shiny new metrics. They'd have to be careful how they'd do it though because the global gun market being flooded with that much material all at once would probably ruin it for a good while (though unfortunately it shouldn't slow down the Russians or Germans since every great power of this period made their own kit...unlike today).
 
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Well I think the sea plane sidelined the project so hard that it's not coming back from its watery depths just yet (yet much like the whole AAR that is not dead which can eternally lie so it's entered possible it just lies in the South Pacific dreaming)...tractors were also of interest for a while but again, in connection to South America (which may well be termed the black hole of the butterfly universe) so...tanks? If we are going back to the civil war, it must go back to tanks eventually but this civil war, with much more overt and important foreign involvement, might see some more air action too.

Oh, and at some point the British need to offload (I.e. Sell for as much as they can get away with) all their old guns and ammunition because they've ditched it for shiny new metrics. They'd have to be careful how they'd do it though because the global gun market being flooded with that much material all at once would probably ruin it for a good while (though unfortunately it shouldn't slow down the Russians or Germans since every great power of this period made their own kit...unlike today).

IA IA!! EL PIP FTHGN!!!!
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh EL PIP AAR wgah'nagl fhtagn!!!!!



Still though, its quite an amusing idea of the Great Britain causing a massive stock market crash in weapons industry purely because the market is absolutely flooded by British ammunition nobody actually uses.
 
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You couldn't get rid of Marty, could you, Pip...
 
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The communists seem to be highly incompetent, that checks out

If by some miracle they defeat the monarchists there will be a second civil war over what faction has the right idea of a leftist paradise

But onward to the next part where the monarchists get 500 divisions of German super soldiers and 8 battleships from the Royal Navy

Oh and El Pip a request, on the republican side can you simply call the different factions the socialists, the Stalinists etc instead of whatever jumble of letters they are this week
 
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The communists seem to be highly incompetent, that checks out

If by some miracle they defeat the monarchists there will be a second civil war over what faction has the right idea of a leftist paradise

Well, that much is historical. After all, in OTL, they had this civil war even as they were being defeated.
 
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Good point, will Pip be modelling this within the story?

From what I understand, the various factions on the republican side hated each other almost as much as they hated the fascists and unfortunately, since by the mid point of the war only the idealistic were left (and the soviets, I guess), they started fighting each other as well as the other side. Although a democratically elected government was being attacked by a military coup and some paper thin foreign 'volunteers' essentially invading the country and treating it like a colonial property (which considering it's Spain we're talking about here might be poetic justice), the republicans and their 'allies' did a remarkable job of painting themselves as the bad guys in this war. And then by the end of the war all they had left was the basque region...well, you can guess what happened next.

If anything, they're more screwed in this timeline since the evil soviet empire is very pulically supporting their cause whilst the good, king, wise, wonderful peaceloving (history book writing, culturally dominating) British government is helping out those poor little monarchists who just want to be ruled by the rightful king, dammit! After all, its jolly good fun to have a king isn't it? Anyway, I think the roles might actually get reversed in this timeline. With the frencha nd Russians helping them out and weeding out partisan parties, the republicans actually will probably have a more unified front than, say, the other side who are composed of fascists, monarchists, commonwealth backed and Axis backed troops and even some moderates thrown in for luck.

So as in many situations like this, it seems likely that once this civil war ends the victors will start killing each other because of ideaological differences. God...it is like the peninsula war all over again.
 
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From what I understand, the various factions on the republican side hated each other almost as much as they hated the fascists and unfortunately, since by the mid point of the war only the idealistic were left (and the soviets, I guess), they started fighting each other as well as the other side. Although a democratically elected government was being attacked by a military coup and some paper thin foreign 'volunteers' essentially invading the country and treating it like a colonial property (which considering it's Spain we're talking about here might be poetic justice), the republicans and their 'allies' did a remarkable job of painting themselves as the bad guys in this war. And then by the end of the war all they had left was the basque region...well, you can guess what happened next.

If anything, they're more screwed in this timeline since the evil soviet empire is very pulically supporting their cause whilst the good, king, wise, wonderful peaceloving (history book writing, culturally dominating) British government is helping out those poor little monarchists who just want to be ruled by the rightful king, dammit! After all, its jolly good fun to have a king isn't it? Anyway, I think the roles might actually get reversed in this timeline. With the frencha nd Russians helping them out and weeding out partisan parties, the republicans actually will probably have a more unified front than, say, the other side who are composed of fascists, monarchists, commonwealth backed and Axis backed troops and even some moderates thrown in for luck.

So as in many situations like this, it seems likely that once this civil war ends the victors will start killing each other because of ideaological differences. God...it is like the peninsula war all over again.


Yes but in freedom patriot loving America it may be seen more like this:

The evil British after their King was defeated by George Washington were forced to stop oppressing America with their taxes and their unelected King (yes only the person who gets the second most votes can be in charge). But now the British are trying to oppress the Spanish (through an unelected puppet King) by deposing the elected Spanish government. America must not let this stand and team up with the French backed republicans (who might have helped a little bit during the revolution) to stop the vile British from oppressing another people (and make a ton of money selling weapons in the process)
 
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Yes but in freedom patriot loving America it may be seen more like this:

The evil British after their King was defeated by George Washington were forced to stop oppressing America with their taxes and their unelected King (yes only the person who gets the second most votes can be in charge). But now the British are trying to oppress the Spanish (through an unelected puppet King) by deposing the elected Spanish government. America must not let this stand and team up with the French backed republicans (who might have helped a little bit during the revolution) to stop the vile British from oppressing another people (and make a ton of money selling weapons in the process)

What, getting the American people to want to emerge from isolationism, to fight in another country's civil war, on the side of the communist, against the British? With no oil or gold there to peak their interests?

Nah...they might kick up a diplomatic fuss but we all know how much that is worth now ( Very little) . Back then, it was even weaker than that.
 
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What, getting the American people to want to emerge from isolationism, to fight in another country's civil war, on the side of the communist, against the British? With no oil or gold there to peak their interests?

Nah...they might kick up a diplomatic fuss but we all know how much that is worth now ( Very little) . Back then, it was even weaker than that.


No no no no you misunderstand me I don't mean sent troops that would be expensive and the Republican president wouldn't want to have a deficit (how things have changed)

But America can do other things (like selling weapons, providing funding, resource embargoes etc etc) I believe the term is soft power, the OSS (if it exists) can also make trouble (those aeroplanes are so bad at avoiding mountains)

In other good news England looks poised to win the 1st ODI, and New Zealand beat Parkastan by almost 200 runs yesterday
 
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No no no no you misunderstand me I don't mean sent troops that would be expensive and the Republican president wouldn't want to have a deficit (how things have changed)

But America can do other things (like selling weapons, providing funding, resource embargoes etc etc) I believe the term is soft power, the OSS (if it exists) can also make trouble (those aeroplanes are so bad at avoiding mountains)

In other good news England looks poised to win the 1st ODI, and New Zealand beat Parkastan by almost 200 runs yesterday

In this case the US getting involved by selling arms to one side doesn't matter because everyone is selling arms, and the European ones are cheaper and more plentiful because it's outdated stock. And it's the late 30's. The US military and arms trade are rubbish right now, they don't have anything to send except money. And theyre already doing that through loans because the republicans don't have any money or anything that can be used as money left. Depending on how much the us lent them, they might be in for an unpleasant time when the monarchists (or whoever on the right) win, because they aren't honouring the loans the us gave to the other side. Essentially, the US has involved itself just enough to screw itself over when their chosen side loses.
 
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No no no no you misunderstand me I don't mean sent troops that would be expensive and the Republican president wouldn't want to have a deficit (how things have changed)

But America can do other things (like selling weapons, providing funding, resource embargoes etc etc) I believe the term is soft power, the OSS (if it exists) can also make trouble (those aeroplanes are so bad at avoiding mountains)

In other good news England looks poised to win the 1st ODI, and New Zealand beat Parkastan by almost 200 runs yesterday

as Composer said, Currently USA is still in its own Splendid Isolationism, and in most parts sees Europe as a place they have no right to go mess around in, and any possible American embargo's on anywhere outside of the sphere of monroe doctrine would be seen as act of aggression by most of Europe, and no doubt would cause a public outrage for the US Public who want not to mess around in rest of the world.

Also keep in mind that American Arms selling onto foreign soil was strictly regulated and would not start in full, insane, american styled mass industrial production until the start of the 2nd World War due to various states and congress limits on arms manufacturing at the time.
 
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Ok I concede the point but I would still rather have us loans than no us loans

Also what are the odds that some of that American money is going straight to Moscow to pay for soviet equipment? I wonder how the public would react to that (the midterms could be disastrous for the incumbents)
 
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Marty, the Butcher of Albacete...

Here is a man who should not have died in his bed. I hope some POUM Brigadiste/Overzealous Tchekist/Monarchist patrol will set things right
For a man with so many enemies he led a charmed life, you would hope he isn't so luck again.

You would have even more if the forum didn't stop sending notifications once the reader hasn't posted in a 'long time'...

I realized through Atlantic Friend that you had another update out...and discover that actually it's two and four pages of comments.

Good to be back, and what tech porn is next on the agenda?
The unreliable forum notification system strikes again! Welcome back, you join at a time when we are attempting to drag things back on course.

After we see the Monarchist volunteers we will be staying in and around Spain to discuss tanks, aeroplanes and various related subjects.

Well I think the sea plane sidelined the project so hard that it's not coming back from its watery depths just yet (yet much like the whole AAR that is not dead which can eternally lie so it's entered possible it just lies in the South Pacific dreaming)...tractors were also of interest for a while but again, in connection to South America (which may well be termed the black hole of the butterfly universe) so...tanks? If we are going back to the civil war, it must go back to tanks eventually but this civil war, with much more overt and important foreign involvement, might see some more air action too.
Butterfly Effect lives in the watery depths, none of this direct and to the point nonsense around here. But yes tanks and planes will be the next techporn, many and varied types of both are being shipped to Spain as both sides backers are forced to ratchet things up a bit.

Oh, and at some point the British need to offload (I.e. Sell for as much as they can get away with) all their old guns and ammunition because they've ditched it for shiny new metrics. They'd have to be careful how they'd do it though because the global gun market being flooded with that much material all at once would probably ruin it for a good while (though unfortunately it shouldn't slow down the Russians or Germans since every great power of this period made their own kit...unlike today).
As the British Army knows (and the Treasury suspects), changing rifle calibre is not a quick, easy or cheap exercise. OK it can be quick if you hurl enough money at it, but so can most things. As they haven't even made the official decision yet, it's just a trial with the Fusiliers attached to the MotorRifle Battalions, if a big change from 0.303" happens it is going to take a good few years and I suspect most of the old rounds and rifles end up in warehouse as 'War Emergency Reserves' and such like. I don't doubt they would happily sell rifles and ammunition to anyone interested, I'm just not sure there is anybody in the market for a meaningful amount of either who doesn't want to build their own factory.

IA IA!! EL PIP FTHGN!!!!
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh EL PIP AAR wgah'nagl fhtagn!!!!!

Still though, its quite an amusing idea of the Great Britain causing a massive stock market crash in weapons industry purely because the market is absolutely flooded by British ammunition nobody actually uses.
I concur with both of those sentiments.

You couldn't get rid of Marty, could you, Pip...
The random number generator has already killed Franco, can't have too many baddies die off or things get dull. I can look into Marty having a different fate from OTL if that's any help.

The communists seem to be highly incompetent, that checks out

If by some miracle they defeat the monarchists there will be a second civil war over what faction has the right idea of a leftist paradise

But onward to the next part where the monarchists get 500 divisions of German super soldiers and 8 battleships from the Royal Navy

Oh and El Pip a request, on the republican side can you simply call the different factions the socialists, the Stalinists etc instead of whatever jumble of letters they are this week
Schism and fighting each other over who has the correct punctuation in the manifesto is the hard left's favourite hobby, the Spanish communists are no different in that regard.

I think the issue is that the Republican side was a mess of over-lapping factions with similar names and descriptions. To make it worse many of them had sub-factions, it's never going to be clear. The jumble of letters didn't change so I went with that as being at least slightly consistent throughout the war.

Well, that much is historical. After all, in OTL, they had this civil war even as they were being defeated.
Good point, will Pip be modelling this within the story?
If it happens then yes, but it's far from certain the conditions for it will occur. It would be a bit odd if, despite all the changes, things still happened in the same way.

From what I understand, the various factions on the republican side hated each other almost as much as they hated the fascists and unfortunately, since by the mid point of the war only the idealistic were left (and the soviets, I guess), they started fighting each other as well as the other side. Although a democratically elected government was being attacked by a military coup and some paper thin foreign 'volunteers' essentially invading the country and treating it like a colonial property (which considering it's Spain we're talking about here might be poetic justice), the republicans and their 'allies' did a remarkable job of painting themselves as the bad guys in this war. And then by the end of the war all they had left was the basque region...well, you can guess what happened next.
The Red Terror in Spain was very real, maybe (maybe) not as extensive as the White Terror the Nationalists carried out but still well into the mid to high tens of thousands killed. A reaction that both sides were the bad guys in the war wouldn't be that far amiss.

If anything, they're more screwed in this timeline since the evil soviet empire is very pulically supporting their cause whilst the good, king, wise, wonderful peaceloving (history book writing, culturally dominating) British government is helping out those poor little monarchists who just want to be ruled by the rightful king, dammit! After all, its jolly good fun to have a king isn't it? Anyway, I think the roles might actually get reversed in this timeline. With the frencha nd Russians helping them out and weeding out partisan parties, the republicans actually will probably have a more unified front than, say, the other side who are composed of fascists, monarchists, commonwealth backed and Axis backed troops and even some moderates thrown in for luck.
The Republicans are even more fractured than previously because France is present, there is now a non-Soviet source of arms to chase. All the people who reluctantly went along with the Communists just to get supplies can now have their own French leaning faction, while the anarchists have made a better job of Anarchist Catalonia so have enough of a power base to keep some semblance of supply. That's at least three factions who don't like each other right there.

That said the Monarchists are certainly a less united bunch, for all his faults (and crimes) Franco had the political nous to parley the German support into making himself the single strong leader the Nationalists wanted. As no-one, except a very few extreme Carlists, actually want an absolute monarchy there is a void at the top of the Monarchist system and no obvious candidate who can fill it.

Yes but in freedom patriot loving America it may be seen more like this:

The evil British after their King was defeated by George Washington were forced to stop oppressing America with their taxes and their unelected King (yes only the person who gets the second most votes can be in charge). But now the British are trying to oppress the Spanish (through an unelected puppet King) by deposing the elected Spanish government. America must not let this stand and team up with the French backed republicans (who might have helped a little bit during the revolution) to stop the vile British from oppressing another people (and make a ton of money selling weapons in the process)
What, getting the American people to want to emerge from isolationism, to fight in another country's civil war, on the side of the communist, against the British? With no oil or gold there to peak their interests?

Nah...they might kick up a diplomatic fuss but we all know how much that is worth now ( Very little) . Back then, it was even weaker than that.
No no no no you misunderstand me I don't mean sent troops that would be expensive and the Republican president wouldn't want to have a deficit (how things have changed)

But America can do other things (like selling weapons, providing funding, resource embargoes etc etc) I believe the term is soft power, the OSS (if it exists) can also make trouble (those aeroplanes are so bad at avoiding mountains)
President Alf has decreed US policy is Moral Neutrality and that cost him a great deal of political capital. Probably the majority of the public, if asked, would favour a complete embargo on both sides and hoping the whole thing goes away. But Landon did the move at the start of his Presidency and larded up the announcement with lots of talk of "no volunteers, no credit sales" (none of which he can legally enforce) and so on, so he got away with it.

In this case the US getting involved by selling arms to one side doesn't matter because everyone is selling arms, and the European ones are cheaper and more plentiful because it's outdated stock. And it's the late 30's. The US military and arms trade are rubbish right now, they don't have anything to send except money. And theyre already doing that through loans because the republicans don't have any money or anything that can be used as money left. Depending on how much the us lent them, they might be in for an unpleasant time when the monarchists (or whoever on the right) win, because they aren't honouring the loans the us gave to the other side. Essentially, the US has involved itself just enough to screw itself over when their chosen side loses.
This is the downside of Moral Neutrality and almost exactly what the Nye Commission warned about in the Merchants of Death investigations - huge loans/credit sales will compel the US to get involved to bail out Wall Street and the big industrialists. Landon's argument is that he told everyone not to do it and in any event Congress didn't pass the legislation he needs to stop it all dead (Alf isn't chasing them over it, but that's a small detail).

as Composer said, Currently USA is still in its own Splendid Isolationism, and in most parts sees Europe as a place they have no right to go mess around in, and any possible American embargo's on anywhere outside of the sphere of monroe doctrine would be seen as act of aggression by most of Europe, and no doubt would cause a public outrage for the US Public who want not to mess around in rest of the world.

Also keep in mind that American Arms selling onto foreign soil was strictly regulated and would not start in full, insane, american styled mass industrial production until the start of the 2nd World War due to various states and congress limits on arms manufacturing at the time.
The Neutrality Act passed in TTL is a bit different, it was passed in 1934 in a rush job to head of the Nye Commission so has more loop holes. However the big loophole is the same one that the OTL 1935 act has, it arguably doesn't apply to a civil war. Relevant text is;

"That upon the outbreak or during the progress of war between, or among, two or more foreign states, the President shall proclaim such fact,"

So as long as the US Government carries on not recognising the Monarchists the Spanish Civil War is not a war for Neutrality Act purposes, hence any shipments are fine. Best I can tell the requirement for export licences on US arms only came in during the 1935 Act and may or may not exist TTL, I've not thought much about it as it's not really relevant. The few symbolic arms sales (company of terrible light tanks) were for cash to the Republicans so would get approved by Alf, the main problem is credit sales of oil, trucks and similar and that loophole was only partially fixed in the 1937 Neutrality Act.
 
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Ok I concede the point but I would still rather have us loans than no us loans

Also what are the odds that some of that American money is going straight to Moscow to pay for soviet equipment? I wonder how the public would react to that (the midterms could be disastrous for the incumbents)
Not many US loans at present, it's mainly credit sales (as per OTL). As these can be admitted and are on a firmer legal footing than OTL, it's only a "Moral Embargo" on Monarchist Spain not a legally enforceable one, the bankers and lawyers of Wall Street have sliced theses IOUs up and produced a market in 'Spanish Credits' . Now at some point loans will come as an option and Paris will come under pressure to guarantee them (much as Britain guaranteed the US loans to the Entente in WW1). If that happens then all the money is going to French firms, no ifs or buts.

However on your main point, when the US finds out the Soviets are backing the Republicans it will be fun, particularly if it occurs near an election. That said I remain fairly sure most of the US public won't care, if Alf can finally get the US out of the Depression then all will be forgiven, if he can't he is toast almost regardless of foreign policy.
 
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Not many US loans at present, it's mainly credit sales (as per OTL). As these can be admitted and are on a firmer legal footing than OTL, it's only a "Moral Embargo" on Monarchist Spain not a legally enforceable one, the bankers and lawyers of Wall Street have sliced theses IOUs up and produced a market in 'Spanish Credits' . Now at some point loans will come as an option and Paris will come under pressure to guarantee them (much as Britain guaranteed the US loans to the Entente in WW1). If that happens then all the money is going to French firms, no ifs or buts.

However on your main point, when the US finds out the Soviets are backing the Republicans it will be fun, particularly if it occurs near an election. That said I remain fairly sure most of the US public won't care, if Alf can finally get the US out of the Depression then all will be forgiven, if he can't he is toast almost regardless of foreign policy.


But if the economy is sort of meh that could still hurt him at the midterms

Also the snarking from the other side of the Tasman has stopped, England must have finally wone a game

Oh and stop teasing the next update and get it done
 
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