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Ok I concede the point but I would still rather have us loans than no us loans

Also what are the odds that some of that American money is going straight to Moscow to pay for soviet equipment? I wonder how the public would react to that (the midterms could be disastrous for the incumbents)

It wouldn't swing the election considering internal affairs rules the roost at the moment in us politics. Everyone knows that if they are the ones, or seen to be the ones, that 'ended the Depression' they can coast on that victory for a good twenty years before that fades from public imagination. Now we all know that the Us getting involved in the war, becoming the world's factory and the arsenal of democracy actually works a treat in this case but they certainly don't know that. With the international market still mostly belonging to imperial powers (and the U.K. at least strengthening their grip, unlike OtL) I expect that so long as no one does something stupid (like cut off the Chinese market or bomb pearl harbour), the Americans are not going to war. Yes this was the case in OTL too but this time a presidency actually said that they wouldn't get involved in European affairs and there's no Anglophile in office pushing the country to abandon their neutrality policy which they've held onto for most of the past century.

I'll be honest, what I expect from the US for the next few years is mild tutting over the waste of money (credit or otherwise), the fact that it might (its never going to get confirmed to the public) have partially gone to Moscow and the whole country to stick firmly out of world affairs unless one of two things happen:
1) Japan choose the same insane plan they chose in OTL and openly attack the US.
2) Some Wall Street 'genius' bet much more than mere money on the credit trading system. Like, either a serious amount of money or enough of various other people's to cause another monetary crisis. Then the government may have to force whoever won in Spain to pay up...probably with a mixture of soft and hard diplomacy rather than force though.

That said the Monarchists are certainly a less united bunch, for all his faults (and crimes) Franco had the political nous to parley the German support into making himself the single strong leader the Nationalists wanted. As no-one, except a very few extreme Carlists, actually want an absolute monarchy there is a void at the top of the Monarchist system and no obvious candidate who can fill it.

That said I remain fairly sure most of the US public won't care, if Alf can finally get the US out of the Depression then all will be forgiven, if he can't he is toast almost regardless of foreign policy.

Idk...I guess we could take a side of cheese with our monarchy and suggest (using Churchill as an ambassador of course) that the current British royal family also are related to the old, old ruling family of spin and thus Spain would certainly really like to be not only ruled by their old royals but he part of a world wide empire again.

Yeah...I'd buy that. Though that might just be the CKII player in me (Unify GB. Conquer Ireland. Conquer Iceland. Go after Spain. A powerful strategy).
 
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However on your main point, when the US finds out the Soviets are backing the Republicans it will be fun, particularly if it occurs near an election. That said I remain fairly sure most of the US public won't care, if Alf can finally get the US out of the Depression then all will be forgiven, if he can't he is toast almost regardless of foreign policy.

US opinion at the time supported the Soviets in a hypothetical war against the Nazis. Don't know how'd they'd go up against the Fascist/Monarchist/British/Carlist mess currently in Spain but I suggest minimal with the Depression being issue No 1, 2, and 3.

Also the snarking from the other side of the Tasman has stopped, England must have finally won a game

The Ashes stopped in Sydney with a 4-0 victory to the good guys. Everything after is just opium for the cricketing masses...

Also, apologies for the presentation dais. The inflatable hands were just cheap and tacky. I don't know anyone who thought they were appropriate.

Anywho, I'm currently watching the SA v India tests - which are gripping viewing (although can't work out India's selection policy, if they have one other than Kohli picking his best 10 mates) and trying to avoid T20 and ODI's while waiting for the Sheffield Shield to recommence in February...

But back on topic - Nice update on the International Brigades. Marty deserves everything he gets. I'd like to put a word in for Buenaventure Durruti. Allegedly assassinated by the Communists during the siege of Madrid (but most likely just by stray gunfire), he was a well liked and intelligent commander of an anarchist column. Marty for Durruti would be a good Butterfly.

Also think the Anarchists would be more cooperative than you give them credit for. OTL they engaged with the central government quite openly, something about respecting the wishes of other Spaniards blah, blah, usual anarchist nonsense... I think they would fall increasingly under the French influence TTL.

Now, onwards to tank pron!

Cheers,
Dury.
 
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US opinion at the time supported the Soviets in a hypothetical war against the Nazis. Don't know how'd they'd go up against the Fascist/Monarchist/British/Carlist mess currently in Spain but I suggest minimal with the Depression being issue No 1, 2, and 3.



The Ashes stopped in Sydney with a 4-0 victory to the good guys. Everything after is just opium for the cricketing masses...

Also, apologies for the presentation dais. The inflatable hands were just cheap and tacky. I don't know anyone who thought they were appropriate.

Anywho, I'm currently watching the SA v India tests - which are gripping viewing (although can't work out India's selection policy, if they have one other than Kohli picking his best 10 mates) and trying to avoid T20 and ODI's while waiting for the Sheffield Shield to recommence in February...

But back on topic - Nice update on the International Brigades. Marty deserves everything he gets. I'd like to put a word in for Buenaventure Durruti. Allegedly assassinated by the Communists during the siege of Madrid (but most likely just by stray gunfire), he was a well liked and intelligent commander of an anarchist column. Marty for Durruti would be a good Butterfly.

Also think the Anarchists would be more cooperative than you give them credit for. OTL they engaged with the central government quite openly, something about respecting the wishes of other Spaniards blah, blah, usual anarchist nonsense... I think they would fall increasingly under the French influence TTL.

Now, onwards to tank pron!

Cheers,
Dury.


Most of that seemed like Aussie socialist rubbish (the Australian cricket team the good guys, come on)

But I agree on to the tank porn (via Spain of course, your not getting out of a monarchist update that easily Pip)
 
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May I make a request that the threadmarks be just quickly updated for the duration? I'm trying to catch up but have to go through a convoluted process to get to the next update.
 
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But if the economy is sort of meh that could still hurt him at the midterms.

Oh and stop teasing the next update and get it done
If the US economy manages to reach a level anywhere near meh that would be a spectacular achievement and be appropriately rewarded by the electorate.

I note with sadness you still haven't accepted the majestic and considered pace of updates on this AAR.

I'll be honest, what I expect from the US for the next few years is mild tutting over the waste of money (credit or otherwise), the fact that it might (its never going to get confirmed to the public) have partially gone to Moscow and the whole country to stick firmly out of world affairs unless one of two things happen:
1) Japan choose the same insane plan they chose in OTL and openly attack the US.
2) Some Wall Street 'genius' bet much more than mere money on the credit trading system. Like, either a serious amount of money or enough of various other people's to cause another monetary crisis. Then the government may have to force whoever won in Spain to pay up...probably with a mixture of soft and hard diplomacy rather than force though.
That would be far too dull. I have plans for the US that are much more interesting than that, still working out the exact details (and worrying about quite how plausible they are) but I hope to involve my bête noire, a few hundred feet of 7⅞ pipe and some mediocre cigars. But that's not going to happen for years yet.

Yeah...I'd buy that. Though that might just be the CKII player in me (Unify GB. Conquer Ireland. Conquer Iceland. Go after Spain. A powerful strategy).
If you are suggesting that Spain should become part of the British empire then I second that (Gibraltar shall remain in British hands though)
While British world conquest is a beautiful thing that would improve everything for all involved, sadly this is not the tale of that magnificent alternate reality.

US opinion at the time supported the Soviets in a hypothetical war against the Nazis. Don't know how'd they'd go up against the Fascist/Monarchist/British/Carlist mess currently in Spain but I suggest minimal with the Depression being issue No 1, 2, and 3.
That's about the shape of it, for the public the Depression is far more important. A very different story for US industrialist though, a small minority of whom were alarmingly fascist. If they find out the extent of Soviet involvement with the Republicans they have been extending credit to, that would be interesting.

But back on topic - Nice update on the International Brigades. Marty deserves everything he gets. I'd like to put a word in for Buenaventure Durruti. Allegedly assassinated by the Communists during the siege of Madrid (but most likely just by stray gunfire), he was a well liked and intelligent commander of an anarchist column. Marty for Durruti would be a good Butterfly.

Also think the Anarchists would be more cooperative than you give them credit for. OTL they engaged with the central government quite openly, something about respecting the wishes of other Spaniards blah, blah, usual anarchist nonsense... I think they would fall increasingly under the French influence TTL.
The still-not-dead Durruti is going to face a choice soon, does he carry on leading his increasingly large column or does he stay in Barcelona to help the revolution. If he went for it I'm sure he'd easily get elected to the Generalitat, but would he want to stay in the field instead?

On the anarchists that's not the impression I got. Their co-operation seemed to be driven by a combination of force (they need to get more weapons, supplies, proper tank and air support, etc which the Soviet backed Central Government had) and the anarchist leadership slowly losing faith in their philosophy working during a war (I was not exaggerating the problems of co-ordinating anarchist columns). I did read something about the divisions between the anarchist and the anarcho-syndicalist wings of the CNT, but there comes a point where I draw a line. And that was the point.

Most of that seemed like Aussie socialist rubbish (the Australian cricket team the good guys, come on)

But I agree on to the tank porn (via Spain of course, your not getting out of a monarchist update that easily Pip)
The Australian cricket team are never the good guys, that is one of the universe's lodestars. They could play the Genocidal Communist Dictator's XI and still have neutrals hoping they lose.

There will of course be the Monarchist update, I couldn't skip it - it contains one of my favourite Spanish butterflies. Quite possibly no-one else reading it will notice or care, but I will and that's the main thing.

May I make a request that the threadmarks be just quickly updated for the duration? I'm trying to catch up but have to go through a convoluted process to get to the next update.
It takes a surprising amount of time to do threadmarks, I know this as I was trying to race through and only got up to Chapter XL. I'll try and get the rest finished over the next few days.
 
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I thank you for your efforts, sir!
 
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The problems with a genocidal Comunisim dictator XI are two fold, 1 I doubt that you could find 11 communist dictators worldwide let alone genocidal ones (I assume you would raze the dead), and secondly their two top batsmen (Stalin and Mao) would stop to argue the true marxest-Leninist philosophy every time they crossed and would get run out (but I hear that Kim Jon Un got figures of 10-0 off 1.4 overs in his first game)

On a British world conquest, Britain wouldn't be occupying other countries, oh no, they would instead be putting the legitimate monarch on the throne (and if that monarch happened to listen to his British 'advisors' that was his choice
 
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I thank you for your efforts, sir!
It's an ongoing effort, but I've got to Chapter 49.

The problems with a genocidal Comunisim dictator XI are two fold, 1 I doubt that you could find 11 communist dictators worldwide let alone genocidal ones (I assume you would raze the dead), and secondly their two top batsmen (Stalin and Mao) would stop to argue the true marxest-Leninist philosophy every time they crossed and would get run out (but I hear that Kim Jon Un got figures of 10-0 off 1.4 overs in his first game)
Razing the dead is assumed. Mass Murdering Communist First XI would look like this I imagine;
  • Stalin
  • Mao
  • Pol Pot
  • Kim Jong-il
  • Kim Il-sung
  • Tito
  • Lenin
  • Gheorghe Gheorghiu-Dej (Romanian dictator and oversaw construction of the slave labour built Danube-Black Sea canal, known as the "Death Canal" as he deliberately planned to use his enemies as slave labour and then work them to death)
  • Mengistu Haile Mariam (Killed 750,000 people in the Ethiopian Red Terror)
  • Khorloogin Choibalsan (Mongolian dictator, did a Stalinist style purge of Mongolia, pretty much wiped out Mongolian Bhuddism)
  • Lê Duẩn (Vietnamese dictator after Ho Chi Min, set up the Vietnamese Gulag and 'Re-education camps' which were exactly as pleasant as they sound, plus the usual famines and starvation)
I'll admit it did take a bit of work to find the last few, but Communism has killed a hell of a lot of people in everywhere it's been tried. So I got there in the end.
 
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  • Stalin
  • Mao
  • Pol Pot
  • Kim Jong-il
  • Kim Il-sung
  • Tito
  • Lenin
  • Gheorghe Gheorghiu-Dej (Romanian dictator and oversaw construction of the slave labour built Danube-Black Sea canal, known as the "Death Canal" as he deliberately planned to use his enemies as slave labour and then work them to death)
  • Mengistu Haile Mariam (Killed 750,000 people in the Ethiopian Red Terror)
  • Khorloogin Choibalsan (Mongolian dictator, did a Stalinist style purge of Mongolia, pretty much wiped out Mongolian Bhuddism)
  • Lê Duẩn (Vietnamese dictator after Ho Chi Min, set up the Vietnamese Gulag and 'Re-education camps' which were exactly as pleasant as they sound, plus the usual famines and starvation)

I would like to point out that most of them used the word 'communist' and 'socialist' but weren't in the strictest sense. However, language is also shaped by its usage and thus since pretty much every 'communist' leader had also been a mass-murdering dictator and best and at worst that but also stark raving mad as well...I suppose it is fair to say that being a self-labelled communist leader is a bit of a warning sign to say the least.
 
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I did read something about the divisions between the anarchist and the anarcho-syndicalist wings of the CNT, but there comes a point where I draw a line. And that was the point.

You draw lines!?!

I await the Durruti post with interest...

The Australian cricket team are never the good guys, that is one of the universe's lodestars.

Lucky this AAR started after the 1932-33 tour of Australia then. Coverage of Bodyline would have really stretched your fantasies... ;)

Dury.
 
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They will play the all time brutal monarch/dictator first XI for the Ashes (of Karl Marx)
The Monarchist/Dictator team is made up of

•Gengis Khan - an opener and a handy right hand bat (average 42.4, SR 48)
•Atilla the Hun - the second of the nomad openers, can quickly accumulate runs but struggles with consistency (average 34.6, SR 64)
•General Franco - a classy batsman especially when backed up by Hitler and Mussolini (average 43.4 SR 44)
•Adolf Hitler - the team captain and best batsman, a bit of a grammar nazi at press conferences (average 65.4, SR 56)
•Steve Smith - annoying good, has been described as the second coming of Christ (until the ODIs start anyway) (average 63.76 SR 55.8)
•Benito Mussolini - player Hitler based his style on, often playes stupid shots (average 32.2 SR 54)
•Jozef Tiso - wicket keeper batsman, rumoured to believe that the ball is Czech (spit) and take great pleasure in hitting it (average 28.2 SR 62)
•Ivan the Terrible - spin bowler, bamboozles opponents with his (Russian) orthodox spin (best figures 7-44)
•Emperor Hirohito - seam bowler, rips through opposition batting lineups with his Devine Wind bowling technique, roumour has it he is only a puppet for a group of ambitious IPL owners (best figures 6-55)
•Vladimir Putin - seam bowler, another Russian bowler, likes to annex his opponents wickets (best figures 9-22)
•Shaka Zulu - seam bowler, an attempt to add some genuine South African pace, struggles in English conditions (best figures 5-62)

•Donald Trump - the twelfth man, considered an honorary member of the all time brutal monarchist/dictator first XI
 
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You draw lines!?!

I await the Durruti post with interest...



Lucky this AAR started after the 1932-33 tour of Australia then. Coverage of Bodyline would have really stretched your fantasies... ;)

Dury.

You Auzzies do not have the moral high ground here, we still remember the underarm bowl (and we are still pissed)
 
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You Auzzies do not have the moral high ground here, we still remember the underarm bowl (and we are still pissed)

How many times do I have to remind you, 1 dayers don't count...
 
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I would like to point out that most of them used the word 'communist' and 'socialist' but weren't in the strictest sense. However, language is also shaped by its usage and thus since pretty much every 'communist' leader had also been a mass-murdering dictator and best and at worst that but also stark raving mad as well...I suppose it is fair to say that being a self-labelled communist leader is a bit of a warning sign to say the least.
They were communist though. Hammers and sickles everywhere, gulags, repressive secret police forces, terrible hats. You don't get much more communist than that. Any 'strictest sense' definition is just about trying to keep the ideology free from being contaminated by it's blood soaked consequences.

You draw lines!?!

I await the Durruti post with interest...

Lucky this AAR started after the 1932-33 tour of Australia then. Coverage of Bodyline would have really stretched your fantasies... ;)
I draw lines now, if I don't I end up down mad rabbit holes (like flying boats to take the Rhodesian football team to an alternate Buenos Aries World Cup).

They will play the all time brutal monarch/dictator first XI for the Ashes (of Karl Marx)
The Monarchist/Dictator team is made up of

•Gengis Khan - an opener and a handy right hand bat (average 42.4, SR 48)
•Atilla the Hun - the second of the nomad openers, can quickly accumulate runs but struggles with consistency (average 34.6, SR 64)
•General Franco - a classy batsman especially when backed up by Hitler and Mussolini (average 43.4 SR 44)
•Adolf Hitler - the team captain and best batsman, a bit of a grammar nazi at press conferences (average 65.4, SR 56)
•Steve Smith - annoying good, has been described as the second coming of Christ (until the ODIs start anyway) (average 63.76 SR 55.8)
•Benito Mussolini - player Hitler based his style on, often playes stupid shots (average 32.2 SR 54)
•Jozef Tiso - wicket keeper batsman, rumoured to believe that the ball is Czech (spit) and take great pleasure in hitting it (average 28.2 SR 62)
•Ivan the Terrible - spin bowler, bamboozles opponents with his (Russian) orthodox spin (best figures 7-44)
•Emperor Hirohito - seam bowler, rips through opposition batting lineups with his Devine Wind bowling technique, roumour has it he is only a puppet for a group of ambitious IPL owners (best figures 6-55)
•Vladimir Putin - seam bowler, another Russian bowler, likes to annex his opponents wickets (best figures 9-22)
•Shaka Zulu - seam bowler, an attempt to add some genuine South African pace, struggles in English conditions (best figures 5-62)

•Donald Trump - the twelfth man, considered an honorary member of the all time brutal monarchist/dictator first XI
I may have mentioned here, or elsewhere, Hitler managed to play cricket once during WW1 against some British POWs. The score wasn't recorded but the German team lost and Hitler was left disillusioned with the sport and felt it needed improvements to make it properly Germanic (no pads, harder balls, that sort of thing). There is, I feel, an excellent AAR in that Point of Departure. Instead of being crap Hitler somehow scrapes a result, or at least plays well in defeat, this imbues him with the spirit of cricket and history takes a turn from there.

You Auzzies do not have the moral high ground here, we still remember the underarm bowl (and we are still pissed)
There is no depths to which Australian cricketers will not sink. Most of the rule changes since the 19th century have been designed to stop Australians cheating (probably).

How many times do I have to remind you, 1 dayers don't count...
Is this because England are up 2-0 in the series, you can't say it doesn't count just because you are losing
Oh dear 3-0 now, does this make ODIs count even less?
They will only matter when Australia start winning them, which I'm sure we all hope won't be for many, many decades.
 
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Test matches count. County and Shield Cricket and whatever passes for 1st class matches in NZ count.

As I said, the rest is just Opium for the masses!

Now, back on topic - you're boring our American friends...
 
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I may have mentioned here, or elsewhere, Hitler managed to play cricket once during WW1 against some British POWs. The score wasn't recorded but the German team lost and Hitler was left disillusioned with the sport and felt it needed improvements to make it properly Germanic (no pads, harder balls, that sort of thing). There is, I feel, an excellent AAR in that Point of Departure. Instead of being crap Hitler somehow scrapes a result, or at least plays well in defeat, this imbues him with the spirit of cricket and history takes a turn from there.
No doubt this is here to imply that in this time line that Hitler will have a full fledged Teutonic Cricket team that will cause the Prussians and the Anglo to reform their age old friendship of disliking Russians and French and a formation of a Channel Pact that will be forged through football and cricket hand in hand on both battlefield and on the sport stadium. :p :p :p
 
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No doubt this is here to imply that in this time line that Hitler will have a full fledged Teutonic Cricket team that will cause the Prussians and the Anglo to reform their age old friendship of disliking Russians and French and a formation of a Channel Pact that will be forged through football and cricket hand in hand on both battlefield and on the sport stadium. :p :p :p

Don't forget a shared distrust of anyone slightly colored...

:p
 
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