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First off, El Pip Voting Opportunity
The next update is likely to contain explicit aero-engineering and scenes of extreme civil service politics some readers may find disturbing. As part of this I will be banding around phrases such as "Air cooled X-24", "Twin-row radial" and "Ethylene glycol cooled V12". It did occur to me that the meaning of these may not be immediately apparent so I should stick in some words explaining this. However I then considered that if you had got this far without understanding such things, then you may not be that fussed. To settle this debate please vote for one of the following options;

1. Please include some overly-detailed explanation on 1930s aero-engine types and how they were cooled, it will be informing and edifying
2. I am already aware of all I need to know on this subject, so you can just get on with the actual point of the next chapter.

Deadline for voting is the end of Sunday 14th. Tennessee election rules this time, so you can only vote once and should you attempt to vote twice your first vote will be declared null and void.

The hard stuff to be sent in 1938!? :eek: Ooh, Matron! :D
Well, the medium stuff will arrive in '38. Don't want to come on too strong, too soon and get a slap around the face.

HOI4 stuff has been read and nodded at sagely. It still appears to be a game I can live without.

I trully hope that, never mind what happens in Spain, the Brits never, ever, are going to build the Archer.
Heathen. Any tank-destroyer that has a fixed rear-pointing gun has a certain charm about it. While I am forced to concede the world would be a more functional and better place if the Archer never existed, it would be a less eccentrically interesting place.

In HOI4 there is pretty much no reason to get involved as italy that i can see aside from getting the bealaric islands back. I think i might try to avoid the war ebtirely for a bit and just focus on the balkans and africa. Thr axis and allies can go stuff themsevles.

Trouble is, much like RL, y9iu need one of them or both to fight the comintern at some point.
It appears HOI4 has at least modelled that bit correctly; there was no real advantage for Italy in getting involved in the OTL Spanish Civil War either.

To be fair to the British Cabinet pre-WWII, the military always put together their briefings based on the worst-case scenarios and (it appears) never really let anyone in Cabinet know that that was how they were constructing their assessments
My understanding had been that the military leadership that briefed the cabinet was very carefully selected by the civil service, with the implicit agreement of first Baldwin and then Chamberlain, to achieve precisely this.

Yep, they're screwed unless they can hold out long enough to be viable when the Republic falls (highly unlikely, given the balance of forces in that case), or they negotiate a separate peace with the Monarchists (the Carlists did always draw tremendous support from the Basque Country, so it's not impossible),or they back the right horse in the Republican power struggle (ie: not the Stalinists, because that's just going to end badly for everyone not committed to centralization) or the French decide to supply them because the Republic does fall to the Stalinists and they need some sort of buffer state (I could see France, in extremis, recognizing Catalan and Basque independence from a failing Republic, but only if they really feel a) threatened by the Monarchists and b) that the Entente is dead, but that seems like a 0.1% chance at best).

Basically, failing an arrangement with some power that has an interest in splitting up Spain, or a truly astonishing string of successes, they're in a pickle.
An excellent summary of all the ways the Basque are in trouble. The Entente is pretty much dead at this point, but not to the point France feels threatened by Britain, just a realisation that they cannot count on Britain automatically backing France in any future conflict. (Naturally this is all the fault of Perfidious Albion and nothing at all to do with Paris declining to get involved in the Abyssinian War.) So the French backing independent Catalans and Basque is not as unlikely as 0.1%, but it's still very much a long shot.

Sounds like the Basque (both TTL and OTL) and the Kurds (OTL) have similar problems: they just cause headaches that no one else wants to help them deal with.
They also have the problem that they insist on wanting to claim bits of all the surrounding countries. The Kurds want bits of Iran and Turkey, who are the two regional powers most likely to back any separatists for their own strategic reasons, but neither will want to support them because they know that would just store up future problems. That said the Kurdish autonomus region on Iraq seems to be doing well (by the low standards of Iraq) so maybe there is some hope. All the Basque need to do is find some oil and things may start looking up for them.

Cos in the end, other countries are only really good for trade and defence. Small regional ones tend to be crap at both compared to big centralised ones you can twist around. Unless the small realm has to exist for some reason and you really don't want them to get any bigger, like the vatican i guess.

France may want that buffer. It seems to be what they go in for all their other european problems right now
Small states are nice and easy to herd and control. Maybe a bit more stable as well, if you draw the boundaries correctly. Or of course you go full Yes Minister and deliberately draw bad boundaries, hoping to make the local too busy fighting themselves to cause problems elsewhere.

well, considering the Basque support for the Carlists, they could after enough fighting, and managing to survive in their own pocket long enough, or if they see that Monarchist victory is imminent, to try to call for self rule under Monarchist protection or something akin to that. After all, it most likely would be the best thing the Basque country can ask for.
The Carlists might go for it if the Basque accepted the King of Spain was also the King of the Basque, everything else being filed under Basque Home Rule. It sort-of worked before so could do again.

The problem will be the rest of the Monarchist coalition, Franco may be dead but the "Rebuild a purer, unified Spain" ideas didn't come from him and so won't die with him. The Falange hated separatists and that is not going to change, as they are both numerous and the route for German arms and advice they cannot be ignored.

France has the advantage that the creation of an independent Euskadi does not threaten her own borders, and ensures the Basques will align with Paris as their bulwark against Madrid. If Spain itself is already hostile to Paris, propping up a Basque nation to weaken it makes actually a lot of sense. If France can afford Britain's potential ire, that is.
There is the French Basque country I suppose, but Wiki claims this was less of a problem after WW1 as there was a degree of 'French' identity forged in the trenches, and the language had started to die out. I'm not sure if the Spanish Basque would happily give up their French Brethren, but as a desperate measure they probably would.

France does need to work out what it's overall policy is. The preferred option, of the British forgetting about the whole Abyssinian War non-joining incident and signing a new Entente, is not happening. The current plan of strengthening the Little Entente is all well and good, but no-one really thinks a collection of Eastern European states is a real replacement for the British Empire. Just assuming Germany will be good from now on may well work in London but no-one in Paris is buying it, so there does need to be a plan, but what?
 
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I vote 1, only 1, and nothing but the 1.
 
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Nice try, Comrade Commissar...I know that all true Party members will vote #1.
 
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As a proud Virginian, what the hell is up with this Tennessee bullshit? Of course, we're keen to vote 1 and since I'm naming myself an elector, only my vote counts!
 
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Heathen. Any tank-destroyer that has a fixed rear-pointing gun has a certain charm about it. While I am forced to concede the world would be a more functional and better place if the Archer never existed, it would be a less eccentrically interesting place.

I must confess that I always had the feeling that the Brits built the Archer to sell it to Italy and France, as they would be more than capable to profit from its peculiar gun positioning during their usual turning the back to the enemy. Any other meaningful use is beyond me...
 
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There is the French Basque country I suppose, but Wiki claims this was less of a problem after WW1 as there was a degree of 'French' identity forged in the trenches, and the language had started to die out. I'm not sure if the Spanish Basque would happily give up their French Brethren, but as a desperate measure they probably would.

Judging from how differently ETA fared historically in Spanish Euzkadi (which faced terror attacks) and French Basque Country (where there was basically none), I think it is a safe move for Paris, and the only option the Basque have. If they side with Paris, the Basques get a sovereign nation plus a powerful ally against Spain. Any other nation only offers them a status quo under Spanish rule. Plus, if Paris is the main ally of an independent Spanish Euzkadi, that should kill what little French-based regionalism there is. Sure, the ETA can still harbour dreams about a trans-Pyrenean Greater Euzkadi, but they can't alienate both France and Spain, or else the two nations will decide they're better off without any independent Euzkadi.
 
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Tennessee election rules this time, so you can only vote once and should you attempt to vote twice your first vote will be declared null and void.

Wait, everyone gets one vote that counts equally towards the end result no matter who they are? My god, you ARE a communist!

It appears HOI4 has at least modelled that bit correctly; there was no real advantage for Italy in getting involved in the OTL Spanish Civil War either.

Yeah...as it turns out (I'm probably not going with the option but just as a test to see how naval invasions worked...) you could actually take over both as Italy, you'll just lose most of your air force in the process and seriously piss off everyone aside from Germany. And since your army is now in two great defensive regions against France, they'll busy themselves throwing their armies at you instead of fighting Germany's push through the Maginot line, meaning that we lose slightly more men whilst Germany gets an easy French victory. Now a strong Germany is generally good for Italy whether I'm in their party or not...but that seems a little unfair.

Small states are nice and easy to herd and control. Maybe a bit more stable as well, if you draw the boundaries correctly. Or of course you go full Yes Minister and deliberately draw bad boundaries, hoping to make the local too busy fighting themselves to cause problems elsewhere.

Well in either case you'd need a big and trustworthy foreign office to handle the issues that would cause. And going off the Yes Minister example, they'll sell everyone and their grandmother for a bit of oil and an airport into the country so 'trustworthy' is a bit of a stretch. The latter idea seems to smack of 'we effed up massively and now some really clever people have thought of a way around the massive problem' which doesn't sound like an idea I'd back as a first choice...

France does need to work out what it's overall policy is. The preferred option, of the British forgetting about the whole Abyssinian War non-joining incident and signing a new Entente, is not happening. The current plan of strengthening the Little Entente is all well and good, but no-one really thinks a collection of Eastern European states is a real replacement for the British Empire. Just assuming Germany will be good from now on may well work in London but no-one in Paris is buying it, so there does need to be a plan, but what?

I mean, it's better than the British Empire not showing up and being satisfied with sinking the Axis fleet in exchange for Europe dying under Hitler's boot. Them being in the Alliance doesn't really mean anything in terms of in-game universe stuff aside from maybe naval support, which they'd do anyway. HOI GB has always seemed to me as a very calculating coward who is perfectly happy to watch the rest of the world burn so long as they control the sea and the random bits of earth that they started the game with. It also acts like a military dictatorship, throwing away troublesome officers with 'operations' into Holland every so often and somehow being unable to find support for them from the hundreds of manpower that they have stored up in the Home Islands.


Vote for 1. Cos it's not porn without detail (there's a quote for the censor box).
 
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I vote 1, only 1, and nothing but the 1.
Clear and concise. I like it. :)

Nice try, Comrade Commissar...I know that all true Party members will vote #1.
You have the test Comrade. This time.

As a proud Virginian, what the hell is up with this Tennessee bullshit? Of course, we're keen to vote 1 and since I'm naming myself an elector, only my vote counts!
Tennessee apparently has even stricter voting laws than Virginia (accordingly to literaly minutes on google) so they won this time. Should we ever repeat this I will utilise Virginian Electoral Laws, once a suitable bit of electoral homage is established.

I must confess that I always had the feeling that the Brits built the Archer to sell it to Italy and France, as they would be more than capable to profit from its peculiar gun positioning during their usual turning the back to the enemy. Any other meaningful use is beyond me...
Come on Kurtie! If the Archer had been destined for French or Italian service it would have had far more reverse gears... ( :D )

Judging from how differently ETA fared historically in Spanish Euzkadi (which faced terror attacks) and French Basque Country (where there was basically none), I think it is a safe move for Paris, and the only option the Basque have. If they side with Paris, the Basques get a sovereign nation plus a powerful ally against Spain. Any other nation only offers them a status quo under Spanish rule. Plus, if Paris is the main ally of an independent Spanish Euzkadi, that should kill what little French-based regionalism there is. Sure, the ETA can still harbour dreams about a trans-Pyrenean Greater Euzkadi, but they can't alienate both France and Spain, or else the two nations will decide they're better off without any independent Euzkadi.
As you say it is the only option the Basque have and it does make sense for them, you also make a strong argument that it would be a safe move for France to make if the circumstances were right. But at the moment (and perhaps never) I don't think it would be a good move for Paris to make.

The Republicans are relatively favourable to federalism and a greater degree of regional autonomy, but that is within the context of a single Spain. Backing the Basque and/or the Catalan would lose France the support of the rest of the Republican movement and risk starting a 3 way Civil War that would only benefit the Monarchists. But certainly something to bear in mind if the war develops not to the advantage of the main Republican faction.

Wait, everyone gets one vote that counts equally towards the end result no matter who they are? My god, you ARE a communist!
No a communist election would be Moscow Rules, as explained by Stalin; "It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes."

Well in either case you'd need a big and trustworthy foreign office to handle the issues that would cause. And going off the Yes Minister example, they'll sell everyone and their grandmother for a bit of oil and an airport into the country so 'trustworthy' is a bit of a stretch. The latter idea seems to smack of 'we effed up massively and now some really clever people have thought of a way around the massive problem' which doesn't sound like an idea I'd back as a first choice...
Divide and rule was just the default option for the Foreign Office, they couldn't help themselves. I do suspect that's (one of) the reasons why so many former colonies ended up with Federal setups with strong individual states (South Africa, Canada, Australia, Nigeria, etc) when the UK famously was almost the opposite. Keep the local politicians fighting amongst themselves and not worried about London was the plan. Not saying it worked or was a good plan, but it was the civil service's plan and they were damn well going to do it.

I also note that Paradox's legendary failure to even pretend to understand anything to do with the sea continues. I would like to follow a HOI4 AAR or two after the naval-focused DLC comes out to see how badly they've cocked it up, but I cannot imagine having enough time to do so. :(


Voting Results
As I'm sure you all already knew it was a clean sweep for "Please include some overly-detailed explanation on 1930s aero-engine types and how they were cooled, it will be informing and edifying". So that is what you are going to get you lucky, lucky people.
 
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I also note that Paradox's legendary failure to even pretend to understand anything to do with the sea continues. I would like to follow a HOI4 AAR or two after the naval-focused DLC comes out to see how badly they've cocked it up, but I cannot imagine having enough time to do so. :(

Well if you like you can watch the italisn navy get sunk all over again by player incompetence whenever i get to fighting a country with one.
 
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II'm delighted you've enjoyed these works and look forward to perhaps coaxing some additional posts out of you once you have caught up. :)

Finally caught up! Finding time to read is hard when you got Exams to write...
But I'm afraid my, for the standards of my surroundings pretty vast, knowledge of history and techporn is far lacking in comparrison to the likes you find here. So I propably will just stick to being a reader and don't try and discuss a lot here. Even though be aware that I will continue to follow TBE! ;)

Sad that I missed out the opportunity to vote. But actually either way is fine with me, as said, there was a lot of techstuff that I didn't quite understand but rolled on with it. Still interesting to read that, broadened my horizon and so on.

Sadly now I will have to adjoust my pace to your majestic one... anyone got a good read for the meantime for me?
 
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I'd be remiss if I didn't recommend "Talking Turkey" by Bullfilter, or his excellent "Civis Romanus Sum". Of course, there's also mine... ;)
 
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I'd be remiss if I didn't recommend "Talking Turkey" by Bullfilter, or his excellent "Civis Romanus Sum". Of course, there's also mine...

Would also recommend Bulfilter if you want loads of updates in a week. The man is a production machine. Wraith's is good too if you want tons and tons of detailed research writeups like Pippy here.

I also have a HOI AAR on right now but it is literally in the planning stages, since its my first game ever. If you want to put your strategy hat on and become an unofficial fascist advisor, you can join the rest. Apparently here are a disturbing amount of people on the forum willing to make sure Italy takes over the world...
 
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Come on Kurtie! If the Archer had been destined for French or Italian service it would have had far more reverse gears... ( :D )

And they would have not needed a gun (why a gun? as if they were ever to be in position to fire it...), so it would be even faster.
 
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Wraith's is good too if you want tons and tons of detailed research writeups like Pippy here.

Did not realize that people considered my work to be heavy research write ups!
 
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Finished rereading this masterpiece. I have to say, it's much more enjoyable that way, some details get forgotten when you've read the relevant update 7 years ago :)

Looking forward to finding out what is much foreshadowed Spanish Venom.
 
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Finally caught up! Finding time to read is hard when you got Exams to write...
But I'm afraid my, for the standards of my surroundings pretty vast, knowledge of history and techporn is far lacking in comparrison to the likes you find here. So I propably will just stick to being a reader and don't try and discuss a lot here. Even though be aware that I will continue to follow TBE! ;)

Sad that I missed out the opportunity to vote. But actually either way is fine with me, as said, there was a lot of techstuff that I didn't quite understand but rolled on with it. Still interesting to read that, broadened my horizon and so on.

Sadly now I will have to adjoust my pace to your majestic one... anyone got a good read for the meantime for me?
Congratulations on catching up! As you may have noticed discussions about things have prompted some of the best (I think) diversions and updates, so always feel free to join in any discussion or start one. :)

I'd be remiss if I didn't recommend "Talking Turkey" by Bullfilter, or his excellent "Civis Romanus Sum". Of course, there's also mine... ;)
Bullfilter writes too quickly and shouldn't be encouraged. Wraith is definitely worth reading.
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Would also recommend Bulfilter if you want loads of updates in a week. The man is a production machine. Wraith's is good too if you want tons and tons of detailed research writeups like Pippy here.

I also have a HOI AAR on right now but it is literally in the planning stages, since its my first game ever. If you want to put your strategy hat on and become an unofficial fascist advisor, you can join the rest. Apparently here are a disturbing amount of people on the forum willing to make sure Italy takes over the world...
Italy does need all the help it can get so definitely join in there if you have the time, I sadly do not as I'm already behind on several things I'm supposed to be following. And writing.

And they would have not needed a gun (why a gun? as if they were ever to be in position to fire it...), so it would be even faster.
In French or Italian service the rear-firing gun on the Archer would be used for boosted performance, firing the shells backwards so they can go forward faster. Helps when running away moving to a new firing position.

Did not realize that people considered my work to be heavy research write ups!
You undersell yourself. Quite aside from the words, which clearly have had thought put into them, your spectacular pictures must take a while to find.

Thanks a lot Wraith and Butterflycomposer, I will look into them. Maybe even this evening, after I've written my last exam for this Summer. :)
Double congratulations on finishing exams, I hope they went well for you.

Finished rereading this masterpiece. I have to say, it's much more enjoyable that way, some details get forgotten when you've read the relevant update 7 years ago :)

Looking forward to finding out what is much foreshadowed Spanish Venom.
I am glad someone has been noticing the Venom, it will be in the centre of something of a malestrom when it emerges triumphantly into the skies.

And thanks for calling this a masterpiece. Obviously you are correct and it's nice when others notice. ( :D ;) )


Top tip - Don't try to move house, it just takes up all the time in the world. Luckily this has not affected update pace in any way. ;)
 
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In French or Italian service the rear-firing gun on the Archer would be used for boosted performance, firing the shells backwards so they can go forward faster. Helps when running away moving to a new firing position.

Yes... but no. Farting would achieve the save effect without wasting ammo. And with the French and Italian guts in action when they see the enemy, two farts are more than enough to reach Mach 1.
 
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Yes... but no. Farting would achieve the save effect without wasting ammo. And with the French and Italian guts in action when they see the enemy, two farts are more than enough to reach Mach 1.

British troops, meanwhile...move inexplicably back whenever asked to fight for their Allies...

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Yes... but no. Farting would achieve the save effect without wasting ammo. And with the French and Italian guts in action when they see the enemy, two farts are more than enough to reach Mach 1.
I see you have worked along side those armies before.This would explain why they never adopted the Archer. :)

British troops, meanwhile...move inexplicably back whenever asked to fight for their Allies...
Rule #3 of British Foreign Policy - Don't get British people killed if you can get foreigners to kill each other instead.
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