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I’ll bring in Einstein on my side by claiming time is a relative thing: whether it is written over 78 years (as an El Pip AAR, on average ;) ) or a couple, if it’s the same length it still takes the same amount of time to read it.

Both valid methods of course. The advantage of the El Pip approach is that the period described was very recent history when the AAR began, even if it is now buried in the mists of time. :D
 
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Bullfilter writes too quickly and shouldn't be encouraged. Wraith is definitely worth reading.
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You undersell yourself. Quite aside from the words, which clearly have had thought put into them, your spectacular pictures must take a while to find.

Such praise, I might have to just go out and do some writing that I was meaning to do for NaNoWriMo! Also, I'm downright blushing over here.

Top tip - Don't try to move house, it just takes up all the time in the world. Luckily this has not affected update pace in any way. ;)

My suggestion is don't try to keep on a reasonable update schedule getting into a job as a Deputy Sheriff... Of course, my desired pacing has been entirely out of the water anyways, but I try.

Yes... but no. Farting would achieve the save effect without wasting ammo. And with the French and Italian guts in action when they see the enemy, two farts are more than enough to reach Mach 1.

It is known that French and Italian troops broke the sound barrier well before those pesky Americans and their Bell.
 
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Rule #3 of British Foreign Policy - Don't get British people killed if you can get foreigners to kill each other instead.
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So it's not just ignorant fear...but deliberate betrayal.

Ok...

Perfidious Albion indeed.
 
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In French or Italian service the rear-firing gun on the Archer would be used for boosted performance, firing the shells backwards so they can go forward faster. Helps when running away moving to a new firing position.;)

The rear-firing Laffly W15 self-propelled AT did fight well against the Panzers. The concept reminded me of the planned NATO tactic of having mobile AT destroy tanks, then hurry out of the area, and setting another anti-tank ambush a little farther. As for farting, It's the "Guy de Loimbard gambit". ;)
 
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I’ll bring in Einstein on my side by claiming time is a relative thing: whether it is written over 78 years (as an El Pip AAR, on average ;) ) or a couple, if it’s the same length it still takes the same amount of time to read it.

Both valid methods of course. The advantage of the El Pip approach is that the period described was very recent history when the AAR began, even if it is now buried in the mists of time. :D
A valid point about reading time, but you kick things out so quickly a man barely has chance to read the update before you've written the next one! (That might just be me)

Such praise, I might have to just go out and do some writing that I was meaning to do for NaNoWriMo! Also, I'm downright blushing over here.

My suggestion is don't try to keep on a reasonable update schedule getting into a job as a Deputy Sheriff... Of course, my desired pacing has been entirely out of the water anyways, but I try.

It is known that French and Italian troops broke the sound barrier well before those pesky Americans and their Bell.
I can see that being a Deputy Sheriff would be quite distracting and (maybe ;) ) a bit more important than keeping a desired pacing schedule.

So it's not just ignorant fear...but deliberate betrayal.

Ok...

Perfidious Albion indeed.
I am 100% certain that the US War department/DoD under any President would never go for a plan that risked killing x Americans in preference to a plan that risked an equal number of Allied troops (assuming similar outcomes for US interests). They may do a better line in idealistic grand statements, but the real-politik underneath is pretty similar.

Eternal Anglo is Eternally Anglo. And the most Honourable Albion is known to never play fair. ever.

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The first thing an English gentlemen learns is precisely when to stop being a gentleman.
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The rear-firing Laffly W15 self-propelled AT did fight well against the Panzers. The concept reminded me of the planned NATO tactic of having mobile AT destroy tanks, then hurry out of the area, and setting another anti-tank ambush a little farther. As for farting, It's the "Guy de Loimbard gambit". ;)
I do have a soft spot for all rear-firing vehicles, but it appears they only really work well in hit-and-run defensive operations. At some point you will want to go on the offensive, at which point you will really wish you had a forward firing tank destroyer. But they do make the world a more interesting place. :)

Albion has to be perfidious or else she doesn't feel like being herself. "Send her per-fiiii-dious, happy and glooooo-rious..." ;)
Damn right. The first of those tends to directly lead to the final two. :D

For a variety of reasons (none of them as interesting or exciting as becoming a Deputy Sheriff or running in a French election) work on the next chapter has been somewhat delayed. Still I've finally made a start and I find that to be the trickiest bit, so fingers crossed something will emerge this month.
 
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We are drawing perilously close the the end of the month Pip and we all need our engine fix. :p

I would also like to add a request for a Soviet focused update at some point, they are definitely the great power who have had the least "airtime" so far, or have the butterflys simply not had a great effect in the rodina yet so we are to assume they are going similarly to our time line?
 
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We are drawing perilously close the the end of the month Pip and we all need our engine fix. :p

I would also like to add a request for a Soviet focused update at some point, they are definitely the great power who have had the least "airtime" so far, or have the butterflys simply not had a great effect in the rodina yet so we are to assume they are going similarly to our time line?

I'd imagine that unless he has Russia start it's historical animosity with the British Empire (probably over Iran) we might not get much change from them.

Though saying that, Soviet Russia does have an opening they didn't before. With Germany shown to be a paper tiger and it's rise slowed down, Russia has the chance to rectify the end of the Polish-Soviet War of the 20s and possibly to a wider opening against Finland. Be interesting to see how Pip takes that direction...
 
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I can't imagine that uncle Joe would simply invade Poland on his own with Poland being allied to France and Czechoslovakia in the little entente in this time line. Even the gentle father of nations didn't want to take back Polish occupied Ukraine and Belarus enough to take that kind of gamble. He only did it historically as the capitalists were already too distracted by the fascists to kick up a fuss about it...

Then again maybe you're right and the chance of liberating the entirety of Poland from Józef Piłsudski's junta rather than just the east would have him licking his lips. If it did happen it could lead to something of a rehabilitation for Germany, as France would want use of their railways for getting troops though to eastern Europe (or they might even want another ally :eek: ).
 
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Sure but Germany when not going along its preset path tends to do weird stuff like invading hungary, france and Switzerland before being fought to a standstill by Poland and Czechoslovakia.
 
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What about Romania? The Baltics? Finland?

All on the menu as far as the west is concerned.

Will Russia decide Constantinople needs to be regained..or is the Orthodox Church that far out of favor?
 
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One would assume so given how recent the Revolution was, and how anti-religious Stalin was.
 
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We are drawing perilously close the the end of the month Pip and we all need our engine fix. :p

I would also like to add a request for a Soviet focused update at some point, they are definitely the great power who have had the least "airtime" so far, or have the butterflys simply not had a great effect in the rodina yet so we are to assume they are going similarly to our time line?
Alas an update this month is looking unlikely and I'm afraid it is mostly your fault. In attempting to answer your question about what has happened to the Soviets I was forced to look at the fundamental question "What the hell did they do with the Spanish Gold in OTL". Bearing in mind the official plan was 'Socialism in One Country' I did wonder what Stalin had done with it. A bit of research into Soviet Balance of Payments and the indescribably thrilling Annual Reports of the Bank for International Settlements revealed the answer - the Soviets flogged the Gold as fast as they could, mixing it up with their regular ongoing gold sales.

On that basis I think the Soviets are a bit less advanced industrially, there will be less machine tools and precision engineering about the place. As a result the higher tech bits of the Five Year Plans are going to struggle, the coal and steel and basic industry stuff should be OK, but anything clever in the electrical or chemical industries needs those imports - even things as relatively basic as turbines were imported so there will be problems.

On the plus side the semi-official foreign policy under Litvinov is looking better. A France with no British ally will be more open to co-operation and Collective Defence/Security no longer seems quite so ridiculous as the League of Nations is not a complete joke, though it is far from being an effective body.

Overall a few changes, but not enough (yet) to merit a full update. One for the list.

I'd imagine that unless he has Russia start it's historical animosity with the British Empire (probably over Iran) we might not get much change from them.

Though saying that, Soviet Russia does have an opening they didn't before. With Germany shown to be a paper tiger and it's rise slowed down, Russia has the chance to rectify the end of the Polish-Soviet War of the 20s and possibly to a wider opening against Finland. Be interesting to see how Pip takes that direction...
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More relevantly Stalin may be faced with a choice, if the French do follow up on the Franco-Soviet pacts and look to firm things up then they will drag along the Little and New Ententes. Is an alliance with France worth giving up on Eastern Poland? If Germany is indeed a paper tiger is such an alliance even required?

I can't imagine that uncle Joe would simply invade Poland on his own with Poland being allied to France and Czechoslovakia in the little entente in this time line. Even the gentle father of nations didn't want to take back Polish occupied Ukraine and Belarus enough to take that kind of gamble. He only did it historically as the capitalists were already too distracted by the fascists to kick up a fuss about it...

Then again maybe you're right and the chance of liberating the entirety of Poland from Józef Piłsudski's junta rather than just the east would have him licking his lips. If it did happen it could lead to something of a rehabilitation for Germany, as France would want use of their railways for getting troops though to eastern Europe (or they might even want another ally :eek: ).
As you say Stalin was never much of a gambler, very much the opposite of Hitler in that respect. He could bluff, make bold and unexpected decisions, but not risky ones. Or at least not decisions he thought were risky, though of course his perception of risk could be as faulty as anyones.

Sure but Germany when not going along its preset path tends to do weird stuff like invading hungary, france and Switzerland before being fought to a standstill by Poland and Czechoslovakia.
I will be keeping a firm eye on the AI and hitting it with stick as required. I'm happy for the game engine to throw up surprises and unexpected results, but if it tries to go weird then editing will occur.

What about Romania? The Baltics? Finland?

All on the menu as far as the west is concerned.

Will Russia decide Constantinople needs to be regained..or is the Orthodox Church that far out of favor?
Russia has been after Constantinople for centuries and for bigger reasons that religion. But it never seemed to feature on the Communist wish list, though I am sure they wouldn't turn it down if an opportunity presented itself.

As I understand it Stalin's big obsession was getting back to the old borders of the Czars and then adding some buffer states on top, so I believe you are correct that the Baltics and Finland should be the most nervous, along with the relevant bits of Romania.

One would assume so given how recent the Revolution was, and how anti-religious Stalin was.
We are right in the height of the anti-religious efforts, the League of the Militant Godless are stalking Russia and it is not a pleasant time to be of any faith. It took the Great Patriotic War and a desperate Stalin looking for any tool to mobilise patriotic resistance for the anti-religious campaigns to end, even then the re-built Orthodox hierarchy was stuffed full of KGB informers and out-right agents.

Warm water ports never fall out of fashion.
Wise words.

On which point it is worth stating that there has been no Montreux Convention in Butterfly, so the Straits are still in theory governed by the League of Nations International Straits Commission. And at some point even the LoN will notice that Turkey has breached it's treaty and re-fortified the Dardenelles and the Bosphorous. Fun, fun, fun.
 
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On which point it is worth stating that there has been no Montreux Convention in Butterfly, so the Straits are still in theory governed by the League of Nations International Straits Commission. And at some point even the LoN will notice that Turkey has breached it's treaty and re-fortified the Dardenelles and the Bosphorous. Fun, fun, fun.

My My. This sure opens many cans of worms doesn't it?
Would the Brits try to force the Turks to give up on the Straits and give them off to more reliable Ally such as Greece in order to pull them to Allies? Or Perhaps Italy to sooth the relations of Italy in exchange of Italy becoming a member of British sphere?
Or would ensuring chaos give Stalin a margin of opening to try to seize the straits for himself with the Black Sea Fleet and a naval invasion that would make Churchill Blush?
or will a blockade be enforced blockade and a sanction that pushes Turks away from their neutrality?

And while I also can see nothing happening off of it at all. I doubt the League of Nations and Brits would be quite so willing to let the Turks to break the international rules quite like that with such a strategic location as Bosphorus straits...

As I understand it Stalin's big obsession was getting back to the old borders of the Czars and then adding some buffer states on top, so I believe you are correct that the Baltics and Finland should be the most nervous, along with the relevant bits of Romania.

its always been a geopolitical dream of Russia to get as many buffer states between it and its heartland. The further the borders are from Moscow the better is it for the Motherland. As Russia has somewhat defenseless core territory. This is why Russia desires its borders to end in land such as Caucasus and push its western borders as deep into Europe as well.

Also I'd like to add to your list of things to look up at is the various attempted deals and pacts Soviets and Finns tried to pin down one way or other. such as exchanges of Territory and various non-aggression pacts. As Finns do not want angry Russia, and Russia does not want a hostile landing ground for Germans in shape of a Finland.
it'd be interesting if there was some deal made that would avoid the Winter War and allow things such as Finns to sell few islands in exchange of few strips of land and a non-aggression pack.

the Horde of tiny islands as submarine hiding hole bases for Soviets might be quite traumatic experience for German merchant marine....

More relevantly Stalin may be faced with a choice, if the French do follow up on the Franco-Soviet pacts and look to firm things up then they will drag along the Little and New Ententes. Is an alliance with France worth giving up on Eastern Poland? If Germany is indeed a paper tiger is such an alliance even required?

All things considered. I'd almost half expect such alliance cause the Anti-Communist world to have quite an alarming wakeup call of OH SHIT COMMIES ARE SPREADING. And the Finns triple down on its frenzied search for support against Soviets. be it with a flimsy non-aggression pact. or attempt to get into Germany and British side for some form of Anti-Comintern support and military aid. Moreso, it might cause the Little-Entente to splinter between different factions which think IS neutrality keeping them safe or not...
 
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I will be keeping a firm eye on the AI and hitting it with stick as required. I'm happy for the game engine to throw up surprises and unexpected results, but if it tries to go weird then editing will occur.

It would be interesting to watch the axis cannablise itself and try to form a super Germany or Italy out of its former friends and potential allies first before turning towards the actual otl targets east and west. Then again, you have to justify it in universe, and unlike me you can't just say a demon made them do it.

Then again, then again, the Little Entente might just mean Germany will try to do such things to Austria and Hungary anyway to try to get a grip back on a balkans it thought it had in the bag.

the Horde of tiny islands as submarine hiding hole bases for Soviets might be quite traumatic experience for German merchant marine....

Hmm...was it just so in real life? Cos both sides owned a lot of small islands in the baltic and presumably sent subs out from them?

OH SHIT COMMIES ARE SPREADING.

I chuckle and then think: little entente and france suspiciously left leaning might make people anxious. Romania moving towards communism as well (which it well might) and France electing a soclist governemnt will make the Axis lose their shit and freak out pretty much everyone else as well. Maybe even stalin, since everyone ganking france and then turning east in a unified alliance was certianly not what he was going for...

As it stands, from what I can remember the Empire is doing well/better than OTL. Italy is doing much worse after being thoroughly humilated and having its navy sank/taken by the former. Germany is ok but the rhineland incident made the nazis look a bit weak and manageable (which actually works against both axis and allies simultaneously) and they are blocked somewhat in the balkans by france as well. France is...weird. They did stand up to Hitler but this strained them quite a bit. They've pissed off Britian and had to make their own alliance in europe to make up for that. And socially, they might be even closer to going communist than otl, because of all of the above plus other things. Oh and they technically are fighting a proxy wat of sorts against the nazis and brits with the aid of the Soviets, all under the guise of helping chosen factions in spain.

...oh and there's some football and tractors in there for quite a bit. And the postal services of the world? Anyway, the general upshot is thst there are communists everywhere and everyone is very scared.
 
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Hmm...was it just so in real life? Cos both sides owned a lot of small islands in the baltic and presumably sent subs out from them?

one of the original plans with Finns and Russians that were drafted but never followed on at. was an exchange of some border territory in Karelia (mainly forest and woodland with few Finnish villages and towns that existed at the time there), in exchange of some of the larger islands in Gulf of Finland, that presumably were suitable for Submarine use. As most small islands in there are too small for more than a fishing hut on them, really.
Its quoted by many of Finnish nationalists as being a bit of a missed opportunity, as this deal was rejected by Mannerheim. H
 
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My My. This sure opens many cans of worms doesn't it?
Would the Brits try to force the Turks to give up on the Straits and give them off to more reliable Ally such as Greece in order to pull them to Allies? Or Perhaps Italy to sooth the relations of Italy in exchange of Italy becoming a member of British sphere?
Or would ensuring chaos give Stalin a margin of opening to try to seize the straits for himself with the Black Sea Fleet and a naval invasion that would make Churchill Blush?
or will a blockade be enforced blockade and a sanction that pushes Turks away from their neutrality?

And while I also can see nothing happening off of it at all. I doubt the League of Nations and Brits would be quite so willing to let the Turks to break the international rules quite like that with such a strategic location as Bosphorus straits...
The OTL Montreux Convention suited everyone, but that was a different world. Most of the main players are similar, Stalin isn't going to gamble on war with Turkey (not with the other Great Powers undistracted anyway...), the other Black Sea residents still want to ensure they have a guaranteed route to the Mediterranean for trade at least, Greece remains belligerent but not allowed at the table and Britain remains wary of setting unfortunate precedents, even more so than OTL - Having just used control of Suez and Gibraltar to seal the Med in the Abyssinian War the last thing they want is the League saying anything unfortunate about free passage rights and so on.

Turkey however is the wild card, pretty much everyone agrees with the Atatürk policy of neutrality and re-building domestically, but national pride and Turkey's position as a regional power are important, the OTL solution got Turkey that recognition through diplomacy. If there is no similar process TTL then when the Great Turk dies there is no guarantee İnönü will take over, at which point anything could happen.

Of course all that assumes the League doesn't force the issue earlier by noticing that Turkey has started re-fortifying the straits.

Also I'd like to add to your list of things to look up at is the various attempted deals and pacts Soviets and Finns tried to pin down one way or other. such as exchanges of Territory and various non-aggression pacts. As Finns do not want angry Russia, and Russia does not want a hostile landing ground for Germans in shape of a Finland.
it'd be interesting if there was some deal made that would avoid the Winter War and allow things such as Finns to sell few islands in exchange of few strips of land and a non-aggression pack.

the Horde of tiny islands as submarine hiding hole bases for Soviets might be quite traumatic experience for German merchant marine....
Interesting as that idea is, Germany only has half a dozen important convoy routes to run in the Baltic and they are mostly going to Sweden/Norway to bring in Iron Ore, Wood pulp and similar. Ex-Finnish bases would certainly put the Soviet sub fleet closer, and allow a lot more time on station, but aren't going to decisively change things. But it has been added to the idea database, so something may emerge.

As for the Winter War, I've not looked into it in depth but my feeling is that if WW2 hadn't broken out and there had been no Molotov-Ribbentrop pact then Stalin probably wouldn't have felt secure enough to attack the Finns. But that's more an instinct reaction than anything I've researched and thought about in depth.

All things considered. I'd almost half expect such alliance cause the Anti-Communist world to have quite an alarming wakeup call of OH SHIT COMMIES ARE SPREADING. And the Finns triple down on its frenzied search for support against Soviets. be it with a flimsy non-aggression pact. or attempt to get into Germany and British side for some form of Anti-Comintern support and military aid. Moreso, it might cause the Little-Entente to splinter between different factions which think IS neutrality keeping them safe or not...
All of that is probably the reason there will be no Franco-Soviet pact. I was toying with a "Only Flandin could go to Moscow" idea, that only someone on the right of French politics could make it work without setting off those alarm bells, but he probably couldn't. More importantly after the way the Rhineland Crisis went down in Butterfly then it's arguable if either party is that scared of Germany anymore, at which point there's no need for such an alliance.

It would be interesting to watch the axis cannablise itself and try to form a super Germany or Italy out of its former friends and potential allies first before turning towards the actual otl targets east and west. Then again, you have to justify it in universe, and unlike me you can't just say a demon made them do it.

Then again, then again, the Little Entente might just mean Germany will try to do such things to Austria and Hungary anyway to try to get a grip back on a balkans it thought it had in the bag.
Germany will certainly attempt such things, after all you can hardly have a Großdeutschland without Austria. But remember Italy, Mussolini has lost his over-seas Empire, he cannot afford to lose Austria as well.

I chuckle and then think: little entente and france suspiciously left leaning might make people anxious. Romania moving towards communism as well (which it well might) and France electing a soclist governemnt will make the Axis lose their shit and freak out pretty much everyone else as well. Maybe even stalin, since everyone ganking france and then turning east in a unified alliance was certianly not what he was going for...

As it stands, from what I can remember the Empire is doing well/better than OTL. Italy is doing much worse after being thoroughly humilated and having its navy sank/taken by the former. Germany is ok but the rhineland incident made the nazis look a bit weak and manageable (which actually works against both axis and allies simultaneously) and they are blocked somewhat in the balkans by france as well. France is...weird. They did stand up to Hitler but this strained them quite a bit. They've pissed off Britian and had to make their own alliance in europe to make up for that. And socially, they might be even closer to going communist than otl, because of all of the above plus other things. Oh and they technically are fighting a proxy wat of sorts against the nazis and brits with the aid of the Soviets, all under the guise of helping chosen factions in spain.

...oh and there's some football and tractors in there for quite a bit. And the postal services of the world? Anyway, the general upshot is thst there are communists everywhere and everyone is very scared.
France luxuriates under a Centre-Right government, the Popular Front did not have a good 1936 election and so Sarraut remains Prime Minister of France, his centrist Radical party supported by the ARD and the rest of the centre-right. No-one is going to worry about France turning Communist anytime soon, though they should be worried about all sort of other things happening in France, mostly the things that also caused problems for the OTL Popular Front government.

Don't get me wrong I'm sure there are people shouting about Communists everywhere, it's just no-one is listening to them. If the Republicans win the Spanish Civil War and the PCF leap into power, kick out the French and form an alliance with Moscow, that's the time to start worrying about communists everywhere. A scenario that has people in Paris somewhat concerned.

one of the original plans with Finns and Russians that were drafted but never followed on at. was an exchange of some border territory in Karelia (mainly forest and woodland with few Finnish villages and towns that existed at the time there), in exchange of some of the larger islands in Gulf of Finland, that presumably were suitable for Submarine use. As most small islands in there are too small for more than a fishing hut on them, really.
Its quoted by many of Finnish nationalists as being a bit of a missed opportunity, as this deal was rejected by Mannerheim. H
Laws on coastal waters were a bit harsher back in the 1930s, if the Soviets got too many large islands could they have legally closed the Gulf of Finland just by enforcing their rights?

If not, then submarine use does sound the most likely explanation. Either way, an interesting corner of history.
 
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Germany will certainly attempt such things, after all you can hardly have a Großdeutschland without Austria. But remember Italy, Mussolini has lost his over-seas Empire, he cannot afford to lose Austria as well.

I've certainly seen it happen more often than not in HOI4. Either Italy gets into a grudge match with germany about austrian/italian land claims or Hungary tries to form austria hungary again (or straight up invade or ally superquick) and get super pissed with germany whenever they manage to annex austria first. To the extent that this should probably be fixed by a dev becauss the axis never forms normally and yuguslavia and romania form their own balkan league instead, with bulgaria hungary and france sometimes in on it.

Don't get me wrong I'm sure there are people shouting about Communists everywhere, it's just no-one is listening to them. If the Republicans win the Spanish Civil War and the PCF leap into power, kick out the French and form an alliance with Moscow, that's the time to start worrying about communists everywhere. A scenario that has people in Paris somewhat concerned.

That could be troublesome. If the french get it into their heads that outside international pressure (or worse, their own governemnt collaborating with/backing down to said pressure) it might either force them into the arms of socialists more...or cause some mass riots or something. Any of that would be bad for france especially cos hitler is dying to find an opportunity to strike and militarise the rhur.
 
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