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Not even close, but at least things have stopped going backwards. That was a worrying trend for a while.

That's a bit harsh. In four years I've managed 22 whole chapters, easily covering a couple of months of game time.

It absolutely is, a work that bears regular re-reading to fully appreciate the many threads and subtle depths.
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Such ill-advised optimism! Good luck on the re-read, look forward to seeing you when caught up.


In other news, welcome and appreciation to @Chomp87 currently liking their way through the work according to my notifications. It is deeply heartening to see that people are still finding and reading their way through this, please feel free to comment or question on even deeply ancient chapters as it will be much appreciated and answered in excessive detail if required.
I am honoured to be mentioned! Sorry if I spammed your notification bar. When I first read this I was far too shy to comment even though I was blown away by the humour, history and excellent writing (I first heard about while I was reading Inevitable Defeat, an AAR which actually made me fall off my chair with laughter) I actually only found the alternate history forums while scrabbling around trying to find something on your level. My second reread a couple of years back was scuppered by trying to scroll around to read all your question and answer sections (My first big reread I got to the end too early at the “Guns of Spanish Summer” and was left grasping for more!)
After seeing your comment I realised I might be doing you a disservice lurking and keeping my thoughts to myself, so I started reading again from scratch and noting down any questions or thoughts I had. Feel free to answer any amount of my comments or none, please don’t take any as criticisms of the AAR or you or your past self, because I love this AAR from Argentine Beef exports though to Tractors and Latvian Floatplanes.

Chapter 2 Who calls the vote of no confidence?
Chapter 3 Does TTL Gejaz Fritz have an opinion on Martin H. Kennelly?
Chapter 5 Good to see Leslie Hore-Belisha, hopefully he’ll have a less ignominious end than the Pillbox affair this time around
I quite like the screenshot from an AAR perspective- grounds things a little, shows off your modding work and is an interesting artifact for the people who have not played HoI2
Chapter 6 After reading Alanbrookes diaries (...I was revolted by his monkey like hands reaching into the icebowl… an evil genius…) I am unable to look at a picture of Beaverbrook without noting that his hands are indeed very hairy. It will be an interesting time for whichever PM will have the poisoned chalice of having to pry his empire away from him. At least he (hopefully!) can’t build a private army this time!
Chapter 7 To be fair the French were active in the seaplane carrier front in the form of Commandant Teste which may actually be more capable than Béarn, speaking of actually did Giuseppe Miraglia (the Italian seaplane carrier) survive the Abyssinia crisis? I have a bit of a soft spot for seaplane carriers.
I think the UK arguing that the counting of fresh water (for boilers) in treaty tonnage calculations was prejudiced against them and getting it exempted from the treaty calculation, then immediately happening to have on hand a plan to use water as anti-torpedo defence on the King George V’s to be a bit sneaky, not to mention the Country Class one weakness being thin armour and the RN happening to have some armour plates on hand which conveniently fit perfectly on them without much trouble.
Very edifying chapter indeed! Hope (but do not expect) that army air cooperation will get some love
Chapter 8. A frankly rather large amount of naval planning seems to involve the cooperation of the enemy. German planning in 1914 seems to have been based on the RN trying to sail straight down the Elbe or Jade and the RN presumed that Germany would try a fair fight in the open sea. Speaking of crazy naval plans, I wonder if the Gibbs and Cox Hybrid Soviet Battlecarrier sale could go ahead ttl actually talking of there is a good chance without the Anglo-German naval pact and the London treaty that the Jean Ecole faction in Russia will be accepted, and if Soviet-Italian naval cooperation is scuttled that means any Russian ships will look very different. Maybe the Project 21 Nelson knock off will have its chance?
Chapter 9 That the good doctor also decided to give the inside scoop to his favourite newspaper before offing the king is another black mark imo
Chapter 10: It is really strange to me that both Germany and Italy started the war without torpedo bombers, you’d really think it would be a priority with the RN stomping around. I don’t think the Soviets had any torpedo bombers either
Chapter 12: The SS Dino is the loony action in the AAR- what did Italy hope to achieve? It’s not like they could control the canal lock gates or anything- maybe the Italians thought they’d get the backing of Egyptian army officers or officials like they thought they would in Greece or got in Albania otl? Maybe the original plan was to start a riot or mutiny in Port Said and have the Bersaglieri “happen to be transiting” and be on hand to “restore order”. Perhaps the terms of the Anglo-Egyptian treaty got leaked showing that the Egyptian army would outnumber the British troops away from the canal and the proposed withdrawal of British inspectors would allowed the Italians to delude themselves into thinking they could win via intrigue with Egyptian officers?
No doubt the Cement Incident in ‘35 would be looked at in a different light with all this going on, and that many of the troublemakers in Palestine were coming from French Syria. I wonder if the British will find out that the Italians are funding the Mufti of Jerusalem?
Chapter 14: With all this air spotting do we end up seeing a catapult floatplane battle? It’d be interesting to hear the result of an action between the RN’s tough and large Walrus against the RM’s lighter and more manoeuvrable Ro.43
Chapter 15: You can tell we have reached the end of the Redux chapters, poor Gloster Gladiators called obsolete a year before they’d even come into service! I wonder if the RAF was considerate enough to rush some Gloster Gauntlets or Hawker Fury’s down to Egypt in time, although knowing the RAF it is unlikely, they would probably argue that they are the only thing stopping an enterprising Italian floatplane squadron from winning the war by destroying London or something. I think the only thing saving the RAF is that the CR series and the Ro.41 are too short legged, and the Italian fighter floatplanes which can be matched by a Bristol Bulldog or Hawker Demon will not have a base on Egypt open coastline without exposing themselves to a passing RN cruiser's wrath. I wonder if the Italians would impound the Breda Ba.27 and Caproni Ca.114’s going to China and Peru?
On the reread I can see how significant the Italian advance been halted by the Indians will have in the balance of power between the Raj and the Colonial office. It's fortunate that the Italian divisions are closer to an Indian brigade, which is the size of force the Indian army fought best at. Did the Egyptian army get involved in any of the border clashes? Did the UK raise any Senussi battalions or make any promises to Idris? I guess I should wait till I reread the Aftershocks Africa
Chapter 16: Does Balbo get the explorer Almásy in on his invasion? I can imagine Italian newspapers declaring victory after say a single motorised recce column reached the Nile and the British army being “outflanked” only to get a rude shock only a few weeks later. I imagine there are a whole bunch of frustrated Blackshirts lining the docks in Naples who otl would have made up Citrine division. The politics of who gets the very limited transport aircraft space to Libya most be utterly cutthroat. Nice to see Agar promoted to Dorsetshire early!
Chapter 17: I think Romania suffered worse in WW1 in terms of casualties, Serbia as well I think, although a lot of the latter counties were civvy casualties although baring the Ottomans I think France was the worst off of the Great Powers though. From what I read the French in the Middle East never quite forgave the UK for the Kingdom of Syria and blamed somehow laid the blame for the Druze revolt on the UK as well, so I am not surprised they ended up not joining in.
Chapter 18: Poor Balbo was not anticipating 8 Commonwealth Divisions on M+30~! Looking at the size of the forces the UK and Indian armies must have been getting ready extremely fast- maybe the RN has formed some bluejacket battalions? For the Tobruk landings I guess destroyers are being used to transport a lot of the men? Theoretically you could beach a ship or two with the heavy equipment in if you feel confident enough, mobility may be a problem though

Sorry if this is overdoing it a bit- kept being distracted with looking into things (Did you know the British planned to raise 10 battalions of Senussi Infantry complete with AT rifles and mortars in 1939?) If I don’t have a question or comment it doesn't mean I didn’t enjoy the chapter! If I had to mention all the times I found something interesting or humorous I’d break post size limits! Thanks again for the great AAR!
 
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Well, it was much too close for @El Pip to make another post anyways, but our jolly good new commenter @Chomp87 can learn rapidly of the ways of the top of the page, and Pip's dedication to majestic pacing (which I might add have worked their way into my phone's word recommendations).
 
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One might say one requires going backwards to go forwards, yes? What say you, @TheButterflyComposer?

Not that it matters, but this is last post for Top of Page!!!! Perhaps and end-of-month miracle is in store?
End of the month would indeed have been a miracle, though it is surprisingly close.
This was a dirty trap I did not fall for.
For once.
Well...you certainly will be now.
It is indeed an educational opportunity.
Well, it was much too close for @El Pip to make another post anyways, but our jolly good new commenter @Chomp87 can learn rapidly of the ways of the top of the page, and Pip's dedication to majestic pacing (which I might add have worked their way into my phone's word recommendations).
If nothing else spreading the gospel of majestic pacing is a legacy I am deeply proud of.
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@Chomp87, thank you for the wonderful post. I am sorry that you fell for the top of page trap. Please continue to post.
I echo this welcome and exhortation to continue posting.


I am honoured to be mentioned! Sorry if I spammed your notification bar. When I first read this I was far too shy to comment even though I was blown away by the humour, history and excellent writing (I first heard about while I was reading Inevitable Defeat, an AAR which actually made me fall off my chair with laughter) I actually only found the alternate history forums while scrabbling around trying to find something on your level. My second reread a couple of years back was scuppered by trying to scroll around to read all your question and answer sections (My first big reread I got to the end too early at the “Guns of Spanish Summer” and was left grasping for more!)
Obviously this is just a wonderful thing to read about one's work. I am very glad you enjoyed it all and thank you for taking the time to say so.
After seeing your comment I realised I might be doing you a disservice lurking and keeping my thoughts to myself, so I started reading again from scratch and noting down any questions or thoughts I had. Feel free to answer any amount of my comments or none, please don’t take any as criticisms of the AAR or you or your past self, because I love this AAR from Argentine Beef exports though to Tractors and Latvian Floatplanes.
In fairness past-Pip does deserve perhaps not criticism but the occasional pointed comment. I know he had no idea what he was getting into, but that is no excuse.
Chapter 2 Who calls the vote of no confidence?
A prime example of the above. Chapter 2, Past-Pip's hand wavingly vague and under-developed legacy, about which he left no notes for Future Pip. I would say it has to be the opposition who call it, whatever his other faults Baldwin was a sharp operator and would not risk calling one himself if there was any risk of losing it, particularly as he had Margesson as chief whip so would have well known the feelings in the party.
Chapter 3 Does TTL Gejaz Fritz have an opinion on Martin H. Kennelly?
Ha! :D The one area where Fritz's expertise would have been invaluable. Perhaps it was a very similar incident which inspired his very strong views on carpet bonding?
Chapter 5 Good to see Leslie Hore-Belisha, hopefully he’ll have a less ignominious end than the Pillbox affair this time around
To judge by your notifications you've not reached the next big plot point around him so I won't say anything to preserve the surprise.
I quite like the screenshot from an AAR perspective- grounds things a little, shows off your modding work and is an interesting artifact for the people who have not played HoI2
Past-Pip was very proud of that modding. Current Pip hasn't actually touched the game for many years!
Chapter 6 After reading Alanbrookes diaries (...I was revolted by his monkey like hands reaching into the icebowl… an evil genius…) I am unable to look at a picture of Beaverbrook without noting that his hands are indeed very hairy. It will be an interesting time for whichever PM will have the poisoned chalice of having to pry his empire away from him. At least he (hopefully!) can’t build a private army this time!
I've just looked and fear I too will now forever be disracted by his hairy hands. The Beaver will have an interesting time in government and overall a useful one, he is disruptive certainly but somethings need a disruption to break them out of bad habits, though of course one can go too far with it.

The MAP Home Guard and the American Committee for the Defense of British Homes (what a mouthfull!) were new to me and seem an interesrting rabbit hole. On first glance they look entirely in keeping with Beaverbrook and his empire building, not to mention his utter disregard for long standing policy.
Chapter 7 To be fair the French were active in the seaplane carrier front in the form of Commandant Teste which may actually be more capable than Béarn, speaking of actually did Giuseppe Miraglia (the Italian seaplane carrier) survive the Abyssinia crisis? I have a bit of a soft spot for seaplane carriers.
She survived as she probably never left harbour. I believe Italian doctrine was moving away from seaplanes as the Miraglia was too slow and the operations (not least recovery) left the rest of any fleet too vulnerable. As a small ship she would never be a priority target for Britain or anything they might want in the peace deal.
I think the UK arguing that the counting of fresh water (for boilers) in treaty tonnage calculations was prejudiced against them and getting it exempted from the treaty calculation, then immediately happening to have on hand a plan to use water as anti-torpedo defence on the King George V’s to be a bit sneaky, not to mention the Country Class one weakness being thin armour and the RN happening to have some armour plates on hand which conveniently fit perfectly on them without much trouble.
Everyone was sneaky around treaty details. As an easy one the USN didn't count the weight of shells in the battleship storeroom despite the definition being "fully armed and equipped for war" or for more blatant stuff the many tricks around the Lexington carriers. Boil water was excluded in the 1922 Washington Treaty when the KGVs were not even a hint of a future idea, so on this specific allegation I feel the Admiralty is innocent, even if they doubtless did bend the rules elsewhere.

I'd be interested in any information you have on the County-class armour plates. The OTL HMS Cornwall refit took 18 months and £200k to inrease the belt armour while still not doing much to increase the deck protection, which was unfortunate given her fate. The whole refit was broadly tonnage neutral as the aim was to stay within treaty. But if there is anything about up-armouring being 'designed in' I'd love to see it.
Very edifying chapter indeed! Hope (but do not expect) that army air cooperation will get some love
As it happens I will be writing about that in this (or maybe the next) chapter so it will. Eventually.
Chapter 8. A frankly rather large amount of naval planning seems to involve the cooperation of the enemy. German planning in 1914 seems to have been based on the RN trying to sail straight down the Elbe or Jade and the RN presumed that Germany would try a fair fight in the open sea.
I suppose the difference is that the German's needed to defeat the RN to break the blockade, while for the RN if the Germans did stay in port that achieved their strategic aim even if it was less satisfying.
Speaking of crazy naval plans, I wonder if the Gibbs and Cox Hybrid Soviet Battlecarrier sale could go ahead ttl actually talking of there is a good chance without the Anglo-German naval pact and the London treaty that the Jean Ecole faction in Russia will be accepted, and if Soviet-Italian naval cooperation is scuttled that means any Russian ships will look very different. Maybe the Project 21 Nelson knock off will have its chance?
You may appreciate Chapter CLI when you get there. ;)
Chapter 9 That the good doctor also decided to give the inside scoop to his favourite newspaper before offing the king is another black mark imo
A good point.
Chapter 10: It is really strange to me that both Germany and Italy started the war without torpedo bombers, you’d really think it would be a priority with the RN stomping around. I don’t think the Soviets had any torpedo bombers either
It's your point above about war planning making assumptions. In this case none of those states seriously expected or planned to fight Britain for most of the 1930s, so torpedo bombers were not a priority for the war they expected to fight.
Chapter 12: The SS Dino is the loony action in the AAR- what did Italy hope to achieve? It’s not like they could control the canal lock gates or anything- maybe the Italians thought they’d get the backing of Egyptian army officers or officials like they thought they would in Greece or got in Albania otl? Maybe the original plan was to start a riot or mutiny in Port Said and have the Bersaglieri “happen to be transiting” and be on hand to “restore order”. Perhaps the terms of the Anglo-Egyptian treaty got leaked showing that the Egyptian army would outnumber the British troops away from the canal and the proposed withdrawal of British inspectors would allowed the Italians to delude themselves into thinking they could win via intrigue with Egyptian officers?
Broadly the plan would be seize very temporary control, get some shipping through while paying the tolls (because Italy was, of course, doing nothing wrong but asserting her 'rights' to use the canal), get some Egyptians to agree this was all fine (they had a large group on the payroll) and then relinquish control back, probably to an Egyptian unit to make a point.

As it turns out Mussolini was funding several Egyptian Nationalist movements, significantly the fascist-aligned Young Egyptian Party which had a para-military wing and was utterly obsessed with Egyptian control of Suez. They absolutely would be on board with any Anti-British plan, particularly if it weakened or even just challenged British control over Suez. Past Pip was not aware of all this, but if I were to redux the redux version it might flesh things out more. All of this would play into later developments in Egypt as that entire faction is now considerably weakened by both the Italian failure and the invasion, the plan was greater independence not swapping British overlords for Italian ones.

For all that it was a terrible plan militarily, but of course Mussolini never really thought in those terms and viewed everything politically. And politically, well it was a risky plan but gambling that Britain would complain and issue protests but not actually do anything wasn't completely crazy. OTL appeasement was popular in the country and had the PM been Chamberlain then maybe it would of worked, though of course Nev would never have made a stand in the first place.
No doubt the Cement Incident in ‘35 would be looked at in a different light with all this going on, and that many of the troublemakers in Palestine were coming from French Syria. I wonder if the British will find out that the Italians are funding the Mufti of Jerusalem?
All of this and more is bubbling away in the background. The lack of a Great Revolt (due to the region being flooded with troops due to the war) has not reduced the pressure, just kept it contained.
Chapter 14: With all this air spotting do we end up seeing a catapult floatplane battle? It’d be interesting to hear the result of an action between the RN’s tough and large Walrus against the RM’s lighter and more manoeuvrable Ro.43
While interesting to imagine, I fear not as I suspect spotters on both side would evade or withdraw rather than dogfight.
Chapter 15: You can tell we have reached the end of the Redux chapters, poor Gloster Gladiators called obsolete a year before they’d even come into service!
Past Pip could indeed be harsh. But once the Hurricane prototype had flown, which was November 1935, then the future should have been clear to everyone. Industrial logic and delays meant it made sense as a stop gap, but that's all it could be.
I wonder if the RAF was considerate enough to rush some Gloster Gauntlets or Hawker Fury’s down to Egypt in time, although knowing the RAF it is unlikely, they would probably argue that they are the only thing stopping an enterprising Italian floatplane squadron from winning the war by destroying London or something. I think the only thing saving the RAF is that the CR series and the Ro.41 are too short legged, and the Italian fighter floatplanes which can be matched by a Bristol Bulldog or Hawker Demon will not have a base on Egypt open coastline without exposing themselves to a passing RN cruiser's wrath. I wonder if the Italians would impound the Breda Ba.27 and Caproni Ca.114’s going to China and Peru?
One thing Past Pip did a crap job on was explaining that the Italian forces in Libya were the 3rd team at best. Home defence on the Alps got the most modern units and almost all the tanks, then the invasion of Abyssinia took the most well trained and equipped of the lighter forces and all the really keen loyal units. This extended to the air, so there was very little to send to Libya. I'd imagine the exports get stopped just because the Italian freighters can't get out of the Med, Il Duce didn't bother to organise the merchant marine in OTL so I doubt he did here.
On the reread I can see how significant the Italian advance been halted by the Indians will have in the balance of power between the Raj and the Colonial office. It's fortunate that the Italian divisions are closer to an Indian brigade, which is the size of force the Indian army fought best at. Did the Egyptian army get involved in any of the border clashes? Did the UK raise any Senussi battalions or make any promises to Idris? I guess I should wait till I reread the Aftershocks Africa
Egyptian army did very little, much as OTL. I'd imagine there was something similar to the Libyan Arab Force, but also that it had probably barley got trained and organised before the war ended. Took 4 months just to get troops through basic training and ready to start training at a regiment level, and that's with a wartime training establishement built up and starting with a cadre of troops. I figure those troops probably transferred across to the post-war Libyan government.
Chapter 16: Does Balbo get the explorer Almásy in on his invasion? I can imagine Italian newspapers declaring victory after say a single motorised recce column reached the Nile and the British army being “outflanked” only to get a rude shock only a few weeks later. I imagine there are a whole bunch of frustrated Blackshirts lining the docks in Naples who otl would have made up Citrine division. The politics of who gets the very limited transport aircraft space to Libya most be utterly cutthroat. Nice to see Agar promoted to Dorsetshire early!
Almasy was busy with the Royal Egyptian Glider Club at this point, so might have got interred or more likley managed to sneak out before the authorities got organised. As with so much the war came as a surprise to the Italian forces as much as the British, so they were entirely unprepared.
Chapter 17: I think Romania suffered worse in WW1 in terms of casualties, Serbia as well I think, although a lot of the latter counties were civvy casualties although baring the Ottomans I think France was the worst off of the Great Powers though. From what I read the French in the Middle East never quite forgave the UK for the Kingdom of Syria and blamed somehow laid the blame for the Druze revolt on the UK as well, so I am not surprised they ended up not joining in.
Yes I think you might be right on the casualty numbers, though they are all a bit murky depending on what exactly is being counted. Either way I probably should have put a 'Great Power' qualifier on that statement about French losses. France blaming Britain for everything is, sadly, nothing new. I should also conceded that they faced an Italian Army on their domestic border so understandably were a bit less happy about being thrust into an unexpected war. Still this will have consequences.
Chapter 18: Poor Balbo was not anticipating 8 Commonwealth Divisions on M+30~! Looking at the size of the forces the UK and Indian armies must have been getting ready extremely fast- maybe the RN has formed some bluejacket battalions? For the Tobruk landings I guess destroyers are being used to transport a lot of the men? Theoretically you could beach a ship or two with the heavy equipment in if you feel confident enough, mobility may be a problem though
Past Pip was a bit too keen to rely on what the game allowed rather than what could happen in reality, so Balbo did have the chips stacked against him. You could probably get 4th Indian out there in that time frame, take-up-from-trade every liner P&O have and send them of, maybe 5th as well, but they'd arrive a mess and perhap not with all the heavier kit. On the more positive side the Tobruk landings would have Motor Landing Craft (mid 1920s design) and probably some old X-Lighters for the first wave (there were a decen number in Malta), then destroyers to transport in once some facilities are captured, so that is possible.

That said it's a risky plot that depends on the Italians not being ready (which they aren't) and plenty of naval support (which the British have). I'll be honest I'm not sure Current Pip would chose that particular option if writing it again today, Churchill loved a high risk'/high reward plan but even so.
Sorry if this is overdoing it a bit- kept being distracted with looking into things (Did you know the British planned to raise 10 battalions of Senussi Infantry complete with AT rifles and mortars in 1939?) If I don’t have a question or comment it doesn't mean I didn’t enjoy the chapter! If I had to mention all the times I found something interesting or humorous I’d break post size limits! Thanks again for the great AAR!
You describe much of the process of writing this, being distracted by looking at tangentially related things. On which note the Senussi Infantry plan is new to me, can't think we will be returning to North Africa in much detail but something interesting to know regardless.
 
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We are rapidly approaching the correct voting point (i.e. the last minute) so now would be an excellent time to vote in both the currently running awards. I'm not going to be as crude as to ask you to vote, but I will say that the relevant categories are lightly voted so if you did vote for Butterfly Effect you could be sure of having a huge impact on the final result. I suppose you could also vote for other AARs as well if you felt so inclined and wanted to be community spirited.

(I can do this with a clean conscience because I have voted in both awards).

The 2023 Yearly AARland Year-end AwAARds

Q4 2023 ACAs
 
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I'll do my due diligence tomorrow morning, old chap.
 
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Progress on the next chapter is going well. By Butterfly standards anyway. OK I'm 2,000 words in and just about to start writing about the thing the chapter was notionally supposed to be about. But still, words have been written, weird things poked at and (hopefully) interesting pictures found.
 
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I still want a scene where the Nazis very politely ask the British if they can send a large miltiary and archaeological mission to Egypt to dig up the ark of the covenant, complete with evil nazi monkeys.
 
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I still want a scene where the Nazis very politely ask the British if they can send a large miltiary and archaeological mission to Egypt to dig up the ark of the covenant, complete with evil nazi monkeys.
I still think you are still posting in the wrong thread much of the time. There is a tentative something on Nazi expedition archaeology on the schedule, but it's not Egypt and realistically wont appear till the 2030s.
 
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I still think you are still posting in the wrong thread much of the time. There is a tentative something on Nazi expedition archaeology on the schedule, but it's not Egypt and realistically wont appear till the 2030s.

I bring it up because we're actually past the point where the events of the movie took place, so the Mazis have definitely already asked and the British have presumably, bemusedly, said no.
 
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Is that 2030s our time, in AAR time?
2030s in our time. In AAR time, Autumn 1938. It's a fairly minor thing, a sideshow to a sideshow, but I think I can make something of it.

I bring it up because we're actually past the point where the events of the movie took place, so the Mazis have definitely already asked and the British have presumably, bemusedly, said no.
Not being a scholar of the work I consulted Wikipedia which informs me the movie is supposed to take place in 1936. Thus I imagine the response to any request would be along the lines of, "I'm frightfully sorry, but we are a tad busy fighting these Italian blighters and so we are not in a position to accommodate your request at present."
 
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Not being a scholar of the work I consulted Wikipedia which informs me the movie is supposed to take place in 1936. Thus I imagine the response to any request would be along the lines of, "I'm frightfully sorry, but we are a tad busy fighting these Italian blighters and so we are not in a position to accommodate your request at present."

It's an...interesting film if you think about the political consequences. The nazis roll in an army detachment outside Cairo, take over sections of the city, cause several gun fights to break out, blow up a truck, dig up the Ark of the Covenant, lose it in another gun battle where more trucks explode, then use a submarine to threaten a British ship into giving up their cargo, and kidnap an American citizen, land on a random island in the med where they have a secret submarine base (I'm guessing this is Rhodes or Italian Libya???), open the ark and invite God's wrath, killing everyone invovled, including a famous French archaeologist.

So that's the british, French, American and arguably Italian governments all suitably annoyed, and then the british and Egyptians irritated that the Americans for some reason nicked the Ark from them and put it in Area 51.
 
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It's an...interesting film if you think about the political consequences. The nazis roll in an army detachment outside Cairo, take over sections of the city, cause several gun fights to break out, blow up a truck, dig up the Ark of the Covenant, lose it in another gun battle where more trucks explode, then use a submarine to threaten a British ship into giving up their cargo, and kidnap an American citizen, land on a random island in the med where they have a secret submarine base (I'm guessing this is Rhodes or Italian Libya???), open the ark and invite God's wrath, killing everyone invovled, including a famous French archaeologist.

So that's the british, French, American and arguably Italian governments all suitably annoyed, and then the british and Egyptians irritated that the Americans for some reason nicked the Ark from them and put it in Area 51.
As you say there should be massive consequences from all that and that's before you get to the fact that the Ark exists and contains something very powerful that at least is not keen on Nazis and/or being looked at. It's getting pretty close to a proof that God exists, which raises a huge number of issues.

In other news we are getting perilously close to both the bottom of the page and the next chapter being ready, I trust some people can step up and do the necessary.
 
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Adventure films rarely take account of the political realities of the place they are set in. I remember watching Van Helsing and hoping that they'll put some KuK troops to fight a huge vampire orgy that erupted in Budapest. But no.

That is one of the reasons I like Mummy (Brendan Fraser version). When monsters attack Cairo in 1920's they show Redcoats (I think?) fighting them and later RAF pilot stationed there helps them. The details might be wrong, but at least they got the vague basics right.
 
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Certainly we can meet the demands of the hour, my fellow readers!

One more post to be bestowed by the next chapter!

One more into the breech, dear friends!
 
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As you say there should be massive consequences from all that and that's before you get to the fact that the Ark exists and contains something very powerful that at least is not keen on Nazis and/or being looked at. It's getting pretty close to a proof that God exists, which raises a huge number of issues.

If it wasn't for the hat Whip man, the nazis would either have failed to find the ark or, if they got the amulet, opened it up in the middle of a Nuremburg Rally in front of the entire nazi leadership and SS, melting them all.

Oops!

Mind you, hat Whip man did start a small war in the princely states two years prior, and the British found out the Thugee actually did exist, which no doubt led to some FUN times for everyone in India.

Then a year later, he tore a hole in a beautiful venetian library floor that had to be at least a few centuries old, caused a cult to set fire to the medieval, perfectly preserved town underneath, dumped a medieval knight's corpse into rat infested water, went to war with some more cult members across Venice, destroyed several ships, broke into a Austrian castle, set fire to that, drove to Berlin (where everyone but him was setting fire to a load of books), got Hitler's autograph, shot down some luftwaffe fighter planes...then it starts getting weird again because the nazis again manage to get a sizable german army detachment deployed in a British mandate (this time explicitly being told they're going to remove the Holy grail AND BEING GIVEN TANKS TO DO IT - for some reason the local King is fine with that if they give him a car), Whip man kills or explodes all of these of course...then they find the holy grail plus a hidden sacred temple...and a living crusader Knight. All three get buried under rubble.

Then Whip man and his dad ride off into the desert with no supplies and no map, presumably dying later that night.

That is one of the reasons I like Mummy (Brendan Fraser version). When monsters attack Cairo in 1920's they show Redcoats (I think?) fighting them and later RAF pilot stationed there helps them. The details might be wrong, but at least they got the vague basics right.

I also actually applauded when, knowing they were about to go into a monster infested tomb in the endgame, the characters LOADED UP and brought tons of guns, ammo, explosives etc with them. Then when the plane was shot down, one of them tore the machine gun off the plane and took that with them too! Then when facing IM-HO-TEP in the finale, they shoot him until he falls over, then keep shooting him.

Awesome film.

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