The Fall of Europe Scenario

[bombshellboi]

Rome destroyed Carthage, where is Tunis roughly located now? The Mongols may have destroyed the city but they would not have destroyed nearly two thousand years of history. Its fine if you don't want Rome to be rebuilt but it could be.

Maybe Japan send the equivalent of Zheng He's fleet and become a colonial nation?

Well as over 90% of the population of Europe perished due to the black death; plus more besides before that during the various rebellions and during the Mongol Conquest...
So its likely even 100 years after the fact that Rome is still a gutted ruin; empty cities, towns, and villages will still litter the continent decaying. Even if another city was later built on top it would have lost its cultural and religious significance.

Tunis is not Carthage and didnt claim to be. A replacement of Rome wouldnt be Rome, merely what came after.

Actually that gives me a good idea for an event.

If and when Roma province is colonised by Amerindians (perhaps the Aztecs?) they could perhaps hear of the "legend of Rome" and build a new city on top of it to legitimise their rule in Europe/Italy. Perhaps found a CoT?

 

[doronz]

Anyway, if you want Europe to be colonisable by Americans, uncolonised Rome is not enough. Most of the European provinces should be neutral and I'd say that they should have a more limited knowledge of the world around them, in order to let them suffer of the isolation penalty.

 

[bombshellboi]

Anyway, if you want Europe to be colonisable by Americans, uncolonised Rome is not enough. Most of the European provinces should be neutral and I'd say that they should have a more limited knowledge of the world around them, in order to let them suffer of the isolation penalty.

Like i said read the histories ive posted on the first page.

Im not sure where you got the impression that Europe would be as inhabited as it is in real life.

 

[kolmy]

If and when Roma province is colonised by Amerindians (perhaps the Aztecs?) they could perhaps hear of the "legend of Rome" and build a new city on top of it to legitimise their rule in Europe/Italy. Perhaps found a CoT?

Well, there's a theory that says that the Mesoamerican god, Quetzalcoatl (the creation god), one of the main god of his religion, was a Christian, that somehow, went to Americas. If they hear that, they had may rebuild it.

See this:

(...) the most famous, and for the purposes of this paper the most relevant expression [of the god Quetzalcoatl] is that of the high priest Topiltzin. This form is the only one in which he is truly human and it is from this form that he is said to have transformed into all the other manifestations that were previously discussed. The Aztecs saw Topiltzin as man-god, almost in the manner of a Hercules, not quite a god but much more than a man. He is often depicted wearing a copal bag, a conical headdress and at the front of his garments were in the shape of seashells. He is also depicted as being fair skinned and having a beard, supposedly to enhance his appearance of wisdom and age (Berdan 129).

This legend has the most twists and turn and the most variations on themes. The most common account presents Quetzalcoatl in human form and as a holy priest who comes down from his heavenly abode to give the Aztec people a new religion. He tries to make the Aztecs rituals more of a personal spiritual event. Before his arrival the legend says that the Aztecs sacrificed hundreds of humans to the various gods. In the form of the high priest Quetzalcoatl's goal is to make Aztec ritual more simplistic and auto-sacrificial. He stresses auto-sacrifice and the sacrifice of snakes, butterflies, birds, etc. (Brundage 116). He is more concerned with the sanctity of human life. It is his opinion that if human blood is to be sacrificed it should be give directly by the person making the sacrifice. This legend ties in nicely with the creator myth. In his role as creator of the human race he sacrificed his own blood, now he is telling the people that by sacrificing their own blood it is a more precious offering that killing another person. He is seen as a divinity that is concerned for the lives of his people.

Most of the accounts that survive to the modern day agree on the first part of the story. However the ending occurs in many forms. One story tells how once Quetzalcoatl had become a famous priest, renowned for his holiness, skills in craftwork, and his views that the gods abhorred human sacrifice, he became the target of the old order priests who insisted that human sacrifice was the only way to appease the gods. The people began to treat this high priest Quetzalcoatl as a god. The main city in which he set forth his ideas was Tula. The High Priest Topiltzin was eventually made ruler of the city and during his reign as the priest/king of Tula the city prospered. The priests seeking to reinstate human sacrifice conspired against Topiltzin and toppled him from power. As a result the city went into decline. Brundage says, "the flowering trees in the environs of the city withered and turned to harsh Misquite, and the birds that had sung in the branches flew away to the east" (Brundage 115). (Keep the idea of the birds flying away to the east in mind it will help the reader understand connections that will be made later in the paper.) The story goes on to tell how Topiltzin was hounded by his pressures all the way to what is today the Gulf of Mexico. Here the story connects to the idea of Quetzalcoatl as the morning star. Fearing he would be captured Topiltzin threw himself into a burning pyre and his heart ascended back to heaven as the morning star (Brundage 116). Thus this legend connects two of the three other manifestation of the god; Quetzalcoatl as the Morning Star and in directly Quetzalcoatl as the wind, the air like quality of the smoke rising form the pyre. Thus indirectly or directly the Aztecs found ways to interweave the other aspects of Quetzoacoatl in to this legend.

The Second interpretation of the ending to the High Priest Topiltzin legend follows the same pattern as the first. Topiltzin is welcomed into the city of Tula, a golden age follows, he is driven out and the city goes into decline. The major difference is that once he reaches the coast, Brundage says, "the man god said farewell to his followers, prophesying that he would return on a year named as that one was, Ce Acatl, to reclaim his rule. He stepped onto a raft of serpents and floated away" (Brundage 116). The man-god Topiltzin floating away on the raft of snakes suggests a connection to the plumed serpent. The Aztecs are trying to integrate as many of the other forms of the god into this one story as possible.

The story ends with Topiltzin floating away to the east and promising one day to return. The promise to one day return and reclaim his rule is a foundation that many historians have used to justify their claims that Cortez was viewed by the Aztecs as the returning god and aided in his conquering of a vastly superior nation. This question will be examined later but more attention needs to be given to the origins of the Topiltzin aspect of the Quetzalcoatl legend.

Now that the reader has some of the background of the legends that surround Quetzalcoatl. The next task is to find out how such a tremendous legend evolved. Scholars have suggested that the myth of Quetzalcoatl the priest is based on pre-Columbian contact between the Old World and the new. The early western explorers of Mexico tended to see parallels between the pious nature of the High priest Topiltzin and early Christianity. Many early chroniclers in Mexico, among these; Garcia, Becerra Tanco, and Siguenza y Gongora, believed that the Apostle St. Thomas was the original Topiltzin. These authors base their assumptions that the cross was in Mexico at the coming of the first Christian explorers (Braden 37). Also the very religion of the Aztecs had elements that were very Christian like. For example, a common memory of the flood, the creation of male and then female in the creation story and most significantly, the Aztecs said Quetzalcoatl was white, light hared and bearded. The legends also state that he wore a robe with red and black crosses, and he is always pictured wearing a kind of miter and carrying a staff in his hand (Braden 37). The third reason that Quetzalcoatl may have been inspired by a Christian missionary is that he promised to return one day from the east with other bearded white men (Braden 38). This in itself is a tantalizing aspect to the story.

Others have suggested that it was not St. Thomas but an Irish monk and missionary, St. Brendan, who was responsible for the legends of the High Priests features. St. Brendon reportedly sailed in a leather boat up and down the coast of North America and returned to tell his tale (Tirado). Detractors from these accounts would say that the legends of the flood, the presence of crosses in the New World were just coincidental. This may be true but it does not explain how the representation of the god could so closely match that of a European missionary around the beginning of the Common Era. Also, why would the Aztecs and other Mesoamerican civilizations represent a god as having facial hair when all Native populations do not have it? Why was the god white, when most all Native Americans were of a brown complication? These are questions that will have to remain mysteries in the Quetzalcoatl legend unless hard evidence can be unearthed to decide the question either way.

The Physical appearance of Quetzalcoatl may be just an unbelievable coincidence, however the first explorers took advantage of the myth of the Aztecs especially their king Montezuma. The arrival of Cortez was seen by the Aztecs as the god Quetzalcoatl returning to fulfill his promise to return. The Aztecs saw Cortez as "the Supreme Lord of the Things of Earth and of heaven" (Gruzinski 29). The Indians had never before seen horses, muskets, armor, or cannons; to them they must have seemed the weapons of the gods. The envoys that Montezuma sent to Cortez's expedition reported what they had seen. They said that "the animals they rode looked like deer and were high as roof tops. They Cover their bodies completely except for their faces and they are very white" (Anderson 17). As far as what the Europeans ate, the natives described it as "similar to what we eat during times of fasting" (Anderson 17).

The men of Cortez's expedition could not figure out why these people, who were obviously superior in number were acting so cordially to them. Upon their arrival in what they called Mexico the Aztecs dressed Cortez in "a Turquoise mosaic snake mask with the head fan of quetzal feathers and with the jadeite snake-head earplugs suspended from it; the painted jadeite neckband with the golden disk resting in its midst . . ." (Anderson 14). The description of the array of ornamentation that the Aztec envoys lavished on Cortez goes on but suffice it to say they dressed him in the traditional garb of the returning Quetzalcoatl. The story goes that after being give these traditional robes of the god and having received the other gifts offered held the messengers in irons, only to release them later to go back to tell the king Montezuma of their encounter (Anderson 16). A first hand account by one of Cortez's men, a man named Bernal Diaz del Castillo, says that the first meetings were cordial. There is talk of the "Cortez thanking the envoys of Montezuma" (Castillo 53). He even goes so far as to say that Cortez makes a speech in which he declared, "the object of his visit was to see and trade with the people of those countries; that no one should sustain any injury by him, and he hoped that they would have cause to be satisfied with his arrival there" (Castillo 54). Cortez had no idea what his arrival meant to the Aztec people. All he knew was that he had an advantage that he could exploit, and did so to the best of his ability.

In the mean time Montezuma's reaction to the arrival of these strange being from the east was horror. When his men told him of the strange dress, weaponry, and animals of the conquistadors he is reported "to have been terror struck and fainted" (Anderson 17). As a result of their mission, the emissaries that Montezuma had sent to talk to Cortez were taken to the sacrificial house of snakes. There two captives were sacrificed and the blood from their beating hearts were sprinkled over the men who had risked their lives in such a manner (Anderson 16). The longer Cortez stayed, the more nervous Moctezuma became. Moctezuma even went so far as to send his wise men to try to divert Cortez from coming to see Moctezuma face to face. When this did not work he tried to hide but realized that if Cortez really was the returned god Quetzalcoatl it was futile to try to hide. In Montezuma's own words "one cannot escape what must happen" (Gruzinski 30). Cortez could not have known how his appearance would affect the Aztec people. However this did not stop him from exploiting his advantage and ultimately conquering and subduing the Aztec Empire.

The Aztec god Quetzalcoatl is unique among the religious traditions of the ancient Mesoamerican world. He was the god of the wind, the sky god, the morning star, and the high priest. He was the feathered serpent, the white bearded priest, the whirlwind and Venus. He is present in almost all aspects of Aztec spiritual life. Quetzalcoatl is a deity that will intrigue many historians, theologians and people who are interested in ancient mythology for centuries to come. Quetzalcoatl represents a basic need of all cultures. That need is to understand the world around us, or at least to explain it. For the Aztecs, Quetzalcoatl fulfilled that need.

Source

 

[Ayeshteni]

Well, there's a theory that says that the Mesoamerican god, Quetzalcoatl (the creation god), one of the main god of his religion, was a Christian, that somehow, went to Americas. If they hear that, they had may rebuild it.

See this:



Source

Indeed I have heard of this too. There is also a theory that they were Phoenicians hired by one of the Egyptian pharoah's to circumnavigate Africa (which they did), sailing from the Red Sea and entering the Med through the Pillars of Hercules (Gibralter). There is a theory that a boat from that expedition got lost and found Brazil, and followed the coast up.

Aye.

 

[doronz]

Bombshellboi,
how do you want to practically work for the actual making of this new scenario? I would like to help you in this project, as I've always wanted to see a game where the europeans were defeated by non-european countries.
What do you need?

P.S.: Just if I didn't make you 2 much angry with my posts.

 

[kolmy]

Indeed I have heard of this too. There is also a theory that they were Phoenicians hired by one of the Egyptian pharaohs to circumnavigate Africa (which they did), sailing from the Red Sea and entering the Med through the Pillars of Hercules (Gibraltar). There is a theory that a boat from that expedition got lost and found Brazil, and followed the coast up.

Aye.

How could it be? That was before Christianity, and this theory says that it was a Christian that visited the Aztecs, as there was lots of similarities between that priest and the Christians.

 

[bombshellboi]

Bombshellboi,
how do you want to practically work for the actual making of this new scenario? I would like to help you in this project, as I've always wanted to see a game where the europeans were defeated by non-european countries.
What do you need?

P.S.: Just if I didn't make you 2 much angry with my posts.

Im not sure I quite follow...

At the moment im working on pre-1419 alt-histories; and on creating a post 1419 timeline.

If you happen to be good at graphics/artificial intelligence I wouldnt mind someone doing that cos I have no talent in that area.

 

[Ayeshteni]

How could it be? That was before Christianity, and this theory says that it was a Christian that visited the Aztecs, as there was lots of similarities between that priest and the Christians.

I refer to the first post by HannibalBarca, here.. http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?t=267263

there are several theories but I was refering to PRE-christian...

Indeed I have heard of this too. There is also a theory that they were Phoenicians hired by one of the Egyptian pharoah's to circumnavigate Africa (which they did), sailing from the Red Sea and entering the Med through the Pillars of Hercules (Gibralter). There is a theory that a boat from that expedition got lost and found Brazil, and followed the coast up.

Aye.

note Bold 'also' after the first sentence.

EDIT: Oh the 'they' that I were refering to relates to 'white settlers' rather than the 'they' that you refer to (I can see where my entry can be misconstrued o )

Aye.

 

[doronz]

Im not sure I quite follow...

At the moment im working on pre-1419 alt-histories; and on creating a post 1419 timeline.

If you happen to be good at graphics/artificial intelligence I wouldnt mind someone doing that cos I have no talent in that area.

If you mean scripting events, then it's ok. If you mean more difficult stuff, then I'm sorry, not very good at that, really. I'm better off at history research.

 

[bombshellboi]

Cultures - Nations
Iroquoian - Iroquois Confederacy, Huron Tribedom, Mohawk Nation
Delaware - Lenape Federation, Massacheusett Tribes, Powhatan Tribedom
Navaho - Apache Tribedom, Hopi Tribedom
Sioux - Dakota Nation, Potawatomi Tribedom, Ojibwa Nation, Menominee
Appalache - Tuscarora Nation
Shawnee - Shawnee Tribedom
Cherokee - Cherokee Nation
Cree - Cree Confederation, Ottawa Nation
Micmac - Micmacan Tribes
Seminole - Creek Kingdom, Seminole Federation
Pueblo-Caddo - Pueblo Nation, Caddosan Tribes
Choctaw - Choctaw Empire
Fox-Miamis - Miamis Tribes, Saux Tribes
Chickasaw - Chickasaw Nation
Illinois - Illinois
Arikan - Arikara, Osage Tribedom
Chumash - Chumash Tribes
Scandic - Vinland


Here is a provisional list of nations largelt thanks to Ayesh; and cultures.

Provinces 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. & 1473 remain as yet unoccupied.

Any suggestions for more nations/further cultures etc are welcome.

 

[kolmy]

But would the Americas start weak and then getting powered? Or they will start already with the advantages as the Europeans (in vanilla) get?

 

[kolmy]

[EDIT] Could someone delete this post?

 

[Ayeshteni]

Cultures - Nations
Iroquoian - Iroquois Confederacy, Huron Tribedom, Mohawk Nation
Delaware - Lenape Federation, Massacheusett Tribes, Powhatan Tribedom
Navaho - Apache Tribedom, Hopi Tribedom
Sioux - Dakota Nation, Potawatomi Tribedom, Ojibwa Nation, Menominee
Appalache - Tuscarora Nation
Shawnee - Shawnee Tribedom
Cherokee - Cherokee Nation
Cree - Cree Confederation, Ottawa Nation
Micmac - Micmacan Tribes
Seminole - Creek Kingdom, Seminole Federation
Pueblo-Caddo - Pueblo Nation, Caddosan Tribes
Choctaw - Choctaw Empire
Fox-Miamis - Miamis Tribes, Saux Tribes
Chickasaw - Chickasaw Nation
Illinois - Illinois
Arikan - Arikara, Osage Tribedom
Chumash - Chumash Tribes
Scandic - Vinland
.

Nice. Here is some more stuff for the Amerindians then. Note You will need to change the country tags I would imagine to your own.

First, Random Leaders (these are for random monarchs and army names, they are named after major tribes or sub-tribes for the particular nation).

IROQUOIS CONFEDERACY
OHI;Cayuga
OHI;Mohawk
OHI;Onega
OHI;Onondaga
OHI;Oneida
OHI;Iroquois
OHI;Seneca

HURON TRIBEDOM
HUR;Arendahronon
HUR;Attignawantan
HUR;Attigneenongnahac
HUR;Tahontaenrat

DAKOTA NATION
DAK;Blackfoot
DAK;Oglala
DAK;Hunkpapa
DAK;Brule
DAK;Sisseton
DAK;Wahpeton
DAK;Yankton
DAK;Yanktonai
DAK;Mdewakanton
DAK;Lakota

LENAPE FEDERATION
DEL;Nanticoke
DEL;Munsee
DEL;Unalalachtigo
DEL;Unami

CHEROKEE NATION
CHE;Atali
CHE;Chickamauga
CHE;Etali
CHE;Onnontiogg
CHE;Qualia

CREEK KINGDOM
CRE;Atasi
CRE;Hitchiti
CRE;Chatot
CRE;Tamathli
CRE;Eufaula
CRE;Fus-hatchee
CRE;Hilibi
CRE;Kan-hatki
CRE;Kealedji
CRE;Koasati
CRE;Kolomi
CRE;Okchai
CRE;Pakana
CRE;Pilthlako
CRE;Tukabahchee
CRE;Wakokai
CRE;Wiwohka

APACHE TRIBEDOM
APA;Apache
APA;Comanche
APA;Lipanes
APA;Jicarilla

SHAWNEE TRIBEDOM
SHA;Chillicothe
SHA;Hathawekela
SHA;Kispoko
SHA;Mequachake

OJIBWA NATION
U05;Echoer
U05;Catfish
U05;Loon
U05;Tender
U05;Marten

MENOMINEE
U06;Kakanikone
U06;Tusininiwug
U06;Kakapakato
U06;Wininiwuk
U06;Kipisakia Winiwiwuk
U06;Manitowuk Tusininiwug
U06;Mato Suamako Tusininiu
U06;Minikani Wininiwuk
U06;Misinimak Kimiko Wininiwuk
U06;Muhwao Sepeo Wininiwuk
U06;Namao Wikito Tusiniu
U06;Nomakokon Sepeo Tusininiwug
U06;Okato Wininiwuk
U06;Pasatiko Wininiwuk
U06;Powahekune Tusininiwug
U06;Suamakosa Tusininiu
U06;Wiskos Sepeo Wininiwuk

POTAWATOMI TRIBEDOM
U07;Prairie
U07;Forest
U07;Nottawaseppi
U07;Pokagon

TUSCARORA NATION
U08;Turtle
U08;Wolf
U08;Bear
U08;Beaver
U08;Pamplico
U08;Cothechney
U08;Core
U08;Mattamuskeet
U08;Matchepungoes

POWHATAN TRIBEDOM
U09;Pamunkey
U09;Mattaponi
U09;Ckickahoiminy
U09;Conoy
U09;Arrohateck
U09;Appamattuck
U09;Chiskiack
U09;Kecoughtan

OTTAWA NATION
U10;Keinouche
U10;Kiskakon
U10;Nassawaketon
U10;Sable
U10;Sinago

CREE CONFEDERATION
U11;Michinipi
U11;Mistassini
U11;Asni Wachi Wininiwak
U11;Ayapaskwa Wininiwak

CHOCTAW EMPIRE
U12;Pascogoula
U12;Bayogoula
U12;Acolapissa

OSAGE TRIBEDOM
U13;Tsishusintsakdhe
U13;Tsedtukaindtse
U13;Minkin
U13;Tsishuwashtake
U13;Haninihkashina
U13;Tsetduka
U13;Kdhun
U13;Washashewanun
U13;Hangkautadhantsi
U13;Panhkawashtake
U13;Ilangkaahutun
U13;Wasapetun
U13;Cpkhan
U13;Kanse

ILLINOIS
U14;Moingwena
U14;Tamaroa
U14;Cahokia
U14;Kaskaskia
U14;Michigamea
U14;Peoria

CADDOSAN TRIBES
U15;Kiohai
U15;Tawakoni
U15;Wichita
U15;Waco
U15;Pawnee
U15;Hasinai
U15;Kadohadacho
U15;Natchitoches

SAUX TRIBES
U16;Saux
U16;Fox
U16;Kickaboo
U16;Winnebago

MIAMIS TRIBES
U17;Atchakangouen
U17;Kilatika
U17;Mengkonkia
U17;Pepikokia
U17;Piankashaw
U17;Wea

MASSACHEUSETT TRIBES
U18;Chickataubet
U18;Nanepashemet
U18;Manatahqua
U18;Cato
U18;Nahaton
U18;Cutshamakin
U18;Pokumtuk
U18;Pennacook
U18;Nipmuc
U18;Nauset

SEMINOLE FEDERAION
U19;Timucua
U19;Yusunga
U19;Ocale
U19;Onatheacua

PUEBLO NATION
U20;Mescalero
U20;Lipan
U20;Jumano
U20;Concho
U20;Anasazi

MICMACAN TRIBES
U21;Epelwik
U21;Eskikewa'kik
U21;Kespek
U21;Kespukwitk
U21;Siknikt
U21;Sipekne'katik
U21;Taqamkuk
U21;Wunama'kik

ARIKARA
U23;Oto
U23;Kansa
U23;Mandan
U23;Hidatsa

CHICKASAW NATION
U24;Minko
U24;Ackia
U24;Chukafalaya
U24;Apeony

CHUMASH TRIBES
U25;Cuyama
U25;Emigdiano
U25;Island
U25;Barbarenyo
U25;Tongva

HOPI TRIBEDOM
U26;Hohokam
U26;Mogollon
U26;Salado
U26;Sinagua
U26;Tewa

Next up will be Armynames (subtribes, bands and tribe villages)
Ayeshteni

 

[Ayeshteni]

Cultures - Nations
Iroquoian - Iroquois Confederacy, Huron Tribedom, Mohawk Nation
Delaware - Lenape Federation, Massacheusett Tribes, Powhatan Tribedom
Navaho - Apache Tribedom, Hopi Tribedom
Sioux - Dakota Nation, Potawatomi Tribedom, Ojibwa Nation, Menominee
Appalache - Tuscarora Nation
Shawnee - Shawnee Tribedom
Cherokee - Cherokee Nation
Cree - Cree Confederation, Ottawa Nation
Micmac - Micmacan Tribes
Seminole - Creek Kingdom, Seminole Federation
Pueblo-Caddo - Pueblo Nation, Caddosan Tribes
Choctaw - Choctaw Empire
Fox-Miamis - Miamis Tribes, Saux Tribes
Chickasaw - Chickasaw Nation
Illinois - Illinois
Arikan - Arikara, Osage Tribedom
Chumash - Chumash Tribes
Scandic - Vinland

Note that many of these are in alphabetical order. You will probably wish to jumble up the order somewhat.

HURON TRIBEDOM
HUR;Warriors of the Wyandet
HUR;Attignawantan Warriors
HUR;Arendahronin Warriors
HUR;Tahonaenrat Warriors
HUR;Attigneenongnahac Warriors
HUR;Ataronchronon Warriors
HUR;Andiata Warriors
HUR;Angoutenc Warriors
HUR;Anonatea Warriors
HUR;Arendaonatia Warriors
HUR;Arente Warriors
HUR;Arontaen Warriors
HUR;Cahiague Warriors
HUR;Carhagouha Warriors
HUR;Carmaron Warriors
HUR;Contarea Warriors
HUR;Ekiodatsaan Warriors
HUR;Endarahy Warriors
HUR;Iahenhouton Warriors
HUR;Ihonatiria Warriors
HUR;Karenhassa Warriors
HUR;Oeniro Warriors
HUR;Onentisati Warriors
HUR;Ossossane Warriors
HUR;Oukhahitoua Warriors
HUR;Scanonaerat Warriors
HUR;Teanaustayae Warriors
HUR;Teandewiata Warriors
HUR;Teanhatenaron Warriors
HUR;Tondakhra Warriors
HUR;Touaguainchain Warriors

DAKOTA NATION
DAK;Warriors of the Sioux
DAK;Lakota Warriors
DAK;Oglala Warriors
DAK;Sicangu Warriors
DAK;Hunkpapa Warriors
DAK;Miniconjous Warriors
DAK;Sihasapa Warriors
DAK;Itazipacola Warriors
DAK;Oohenupa Warriors
DAK;Mdewakantonwan Warriors
DAK;Sisitonwan Warriors
DAK;Wahpekute Warriors
DAK;Wahpetonwan Warriors
DAK;Ihanktonwan Warriors
DAK;Ihanktonwana Warriors
DAK;Stoney Warriors
DAK;Assiniboine Warriors
DAK;Mnisota Warriors
DAK;Mniblaska Warriors
DAK;Oyuqe Warriors
DAK;She-o Warriors
DAK;Onkp’hatinas Warriors
DAK;K'u-Inyan Warriors
DAK;Min-i-shá Warriors
DAK;Pe Cla Ptetcela Warriors
DAK;Payabya Warriors
DAK;Wajaja Warriors
DAK;Kiyuksa Warriors
DAK;Tapicletca Warriors
DAK;Ite Citca Warriors
DAK;Wagluqe Warriors
DAK;Wablenitca Warriors
DAK;Pe Cla Warriors
DAK;Tceq Huha To Warriors
DAK;Tacnahetca Warriors
DAK;I Wayusota Warriors
DAK;Waka Warriors
DAK;Iglaka Teqila Warriors
DAK;Ite Citca Etaha Warriors
DAK;Zuzetca Kiyaksa Warriors
DAK;Watceope Warriors
DAK;Watcape Warriors
DAK;Tiyotcesli Warriors
DAK;Ieska Tcitca Warriors

SHAWNEE TRIBEDOM
SHA;Warriors of the Shawano
SHA;Auglaize Warriors
SHA;Chillicothe Warriors
SHA;Conedogwinit Warriors
SHA;Coshocton Warriors
SHA;Kagoughsage Warriors
SHA;Maguck Warriors
SHA;Macachack Warriors
SHA;Olathe Warriors
SHA;Paxtang Warriors
SHA;Peixtan Warriors
SHA;Piqua Warriors
SHA;Sawanugi Warriors
SHA;Sawcunk Warriors
SHA;Scoutash's Warriors
SHA;Sewickley Warriors
SHA;Shamokin Warriors
SHA;Sonnioto Warriors
SHA;Tippecanoe Warriors
SHA;Sylacauga Warriors
SHA;Venango Warriors
SHA;Wakatomica Warriors
SHA;Wakatawicks Warriors
SHA;Wapakoneta Warriors
SHA;Wyoming Warriors

CREEK KINGDOM
CRE;Warriors of the Muscogee
CRE;Tribal Defenders
CRE;Chattahoochee Warriors
CRE;Fire-hearted Warriors
CRE;Tallapoosa Warriors
CRE;Ocmulgee Warriors
CRE;Coosa Warriors
CRE;Abihka Warriors
CRE;Apalachicola Warriors
CRE;Hitchiti Warriors
CRE;Sawokli Warriors
CRE;Chiaha Warriors
CRE;Osochi Warriors
CRE;Yuchi Warriors
CRE;Alabama Warriors
CRE;Tawasa Warriors
CRE;Pawokti Warriors
CRE;Muklasa Warriors
CRE;Koasati Warriors
CRE;Tuskegee Warriors
CRE;Yamasee Warriors

CHEROKEE NATION
CHE;Warriors of the Cherokee
CHE;Echota Warriors
CHE;Estatoee Warriors
CHE;Keowee Warriors
CHE;Kulsetsiyi Warriors
CHE;Oconee Warriors
CHE;Qualatchee Warriors
CHE;Tomassee Warriors
CHE;Toxaway Warriors
CHE;Tugaloo Warriors
CHE;Ustanali Warriors
CHE;Cowee Warriors
CHE;Coweeshee Warriors
CHE;Ellijay Warriors
CHE;Itseyi Warriors
CHE;Jore Warriors
CHE;Kituhwa Warriors
CHE;Nanyahala Warriors
CHE;Nucassee Warriors
CHE;Stikayi Warriors
CHE;Tawsee Warriors
CHE;Tekanitli Warriors
CHE;Tessuntee Warriors
CHE;Tikaleyasuni Warriors
CHE;Watauga Warriors
CHE;Yunsawi Warriors
CHE;Chatuga Warriors
CHE;Chilhowee Warriors
CHE;Cotocanahut Warriors
CHE;Hiwassee Warriors
CHE;Natuhli Warriors
CHE;Nayuhi Warriors
CHE;Sitiku Warriors
CHE;Tahlasi Warriors
CHE;Tallulah Warriors
CHE;Tamahli Warriors
CHE;Tellico Warriors
CHE;Tennessee Warriors
CHE;Toquo Warriors
CHE;Tsiyahi Warriors

APACHE TRIBEDOM
APA;Warriors of the Navaho
APA;Navaho Warriors
APA;Desert Raiders
APA;Apache Warriors
APA;Southern Raiders
APA;Ditsakana Warriors
APA;Guage-johe Warriors
APA;Hainenaurie Warriors
APA;Itchitabudan Warriors
APA;Ketahto Warriors
APA;Kewatsana Warriors
APA;Kwashi Warriors
APA;Motsai Warriors
APA;Muvinabore Warriors
APA;Nauniem Warriors
APA;Nonaum Warriors
APA;Pagatsu Warriors
APA;Pohoi Warriors
APA;Titchakenah Warriors
APA;Waaih Warriors
APA;Yapaor Warriors

LENAPE FEDERATION
DEL;Cashiehtunk Warriors
DEL;Catskill Warriors
DEL;Lackawaxen Warriors
DEL;Macharienkonick Warriors
DEL;Mamekoting Warriors
DEL;Marechkawieck Warriors
DEL;Meochkonck Warriors
DEL;Minisink Warriors
DEL;Mengakonia Warriors
DEL;Mohickon Warriors
DEL;Outauninkin Warriors
DEL;Pakadasank Warriors
DEL;Papagonk Warriors
DEL;Peckwes Warriors
DEL;Schepinakonck Warriors
DEL;Shawangunk Warriors
DEL;Waoranec Warriors
DEL;Waranawonkong Warriors
DEL;Wawarsink Warriors
DEL;Waywayanda Warriors
DEL;Wildwyck Warriors
DEL;Wysox Warriors
DEL;Ahaimus Warriors
DEL;Aquackanonk Warriors
DEL;Armeomeck Warriors
DEL;Assunpink Warriors
DEL;Axion Warriors
DEL;Calcefar Warriors
DEL;Coacquannok Warriors
DEL;Coaxen Warriors
DEL;Communipaw Warriors
DEL;Eriwonec Warriors
DEL;Gweghkongh Warriors
DEL;Hackensack Warriors
DEL;Hespatingh Warriors
DEL;Keskaechquerem Warriors
DEL;Konekotay Warriors
DEL;Hockanetcunk Warriors
DEL;Macock Warriors
DEL;Matanakon Warriors
DEL;Matovancon Warriors
DEL;Mechgachkamic Warriors
DEL;Meggeckessou Warriors
DEL;Meletecunk Warriors
DEL;Momakarongk Warriors
DEL;Mooharmowikarun Warriors
DEL;Mookwungwahoki Warriors
DEL;Mosilian Warriors
DEL;Muhhowekaken Warriors
DEL;Muhkarmhukse Warriors
DEL;Muhkrentharne Warriors
DEL;Navasink Warriors
DEL;Nittabonck Warriors
DEL;Neshamini Warriors
DEL;Neshannock Warriors
DEL;Nyack Warriors
DEL;Okehocking Warriors
DEL;Paatquacktung Warriors
DEL;Passayunk Warriors
DEL;Pemickpacka Warriors
DEL;Pocopson Warriors
DEL;Raritan Warriors
DEL;Ramcock Warriors
DEL;Sawkin Warriors
DEL;Schuykill Warriors
DEL;Shackamaxon Warriors
DEL;Soupnapka Warriors
DEL;Tappan Warriors
DEL;Waoranec Warriors
DEL;Weepink Warriors
DEL;Welagamika Warriors
DEL;Wickquakonick Warriors
DEL;Wichquaquenscke Warriors
DEL;Yacomanshaghking Warriors
DEL;Amimenipaty Warriors
DEL;Assomoche Warriors
DEL;Atayonek Warriors
DEL;Chikohoki Warriors
DEL;Hopokohacking Warriors
DEL;Kahansuk Warriors
DEL;Kechemech Warriors
DEL;Memankitonna Warriors
DEL;Minguannan Warriors
DEL;Nantuxet Warriors
DEL;Naraticon Warriors
DEL;Quenomysing Warriors
DEL;Sewapoo Warriors
DEL;Sickoneysinck warriors
DEL;Watcessit Warriors

IROQUOIS CONFEDERACY
OHI;Warriors of the Iroqui
OHI;Kahnawake Warriors
OHI;Kanesatake Warriors
OHI;Onenyote Warriors
OHI;Ononta'ke Warriors
OHI;Kayonkwe Warriors
OHI;Shotinontowane Warriors
OHI;Taskarora Warriors
OHI;Gweugwehono Warriors
OHI;Chondote Warriors
OHI;Gandasetaigon Warriors
OHI;Ganogeh Warriors
OHI;Gayagaanhe Warriors
OHI;Gewauga Warriors
OHI;Goiogouen Warriors
OHI;Kawauka Warriors
OHI;Kente Warriors
OHI;Kiohero Warriors
OHI;Neodakheat Warriors
OHI;Oiogouen Warriors
OHI;Oneniote Warriors
OHI;Onnontare Warriors
OHI;Owego Warriors
OHI;Skannayutenate Warriors
OHI;Canajoharie Warriors
OHI;Canastigaone Warriors
OHI;Canienga Warriors
OHI;Caughnawaga Warriors
OHI;Churchtononeda Warriors
OHI;Kanagaro Warriors
OHI;Kowogoconnughariegugharie Warriors
OHI;Nowadaga Warriors
OHI;Onekagoncka Warriors
OHI;Onoalagona Warriors
OHI;Oquaga Warriors
OHI;Osquake Warriors
OHI;Saratoga Warriors
OHI;Schaunactada Warriors
OHI;Schoharie Warriors
OHI;Teatontaloga Warriors
OHI;Tewanondadon Warriors
OHI;Tionnontoguen Warriors
OHI;Unadilla Warriors
OHI;Awegen Warriors
OHI;Cahunghage Warriors
OHI;Canowaroghere Warriors
OHI;Canowdowsa Warriors
OHI;Chittenango Warriors
OHI;Cowassalon Warriors
OHI;Ganadoga Warriors
OHI;Hostayuntwa Warriors
OHI;Oneida Warriors
OHI;Opolopong Warriors
OHI;Oriska Warriors
OHI;Ossewingo Warriors
OHI;Ostogeron Warriors
OHI;Schoherage Warriors
OHI;Sevege Warriors
OHI;Solocka Warriors
OHI;Tegasoke Warriors
OHI;Teseroken Warriors
OHI;Tetosweken Warriors
OHI;Tkanetota Warriors
OHI;Tolungowon Warriors
OHI;Ahaouet Warriors
OHI;Deseroken Warriors
OHI;Gadoquat Warriors
OHI;Gannentaha Warriors
OHI;Gistwiahna Warriors
OHI;Kanadaseagea Warriors
OHI;Kanatakowa Warriors
OHI;Onondaga Warriors
OHI;Onondaghara Warriors
OHI;Onondahgegahgeh Warriors
OHI;Onontatacet Warriors
OHI;Otiahanague Warriors
OHI;Teionontatases Warriors
OHI;Tgasunto Warriors
OHI;Touenho Warriors
OHI;Tueadasso Warriors
OHI;Canadasaga Warriors
OHI;Caneadea Warriors
OHI;Cattaraugus Warriors
OHI;Chemung Warriors
OHI;Cheronderoga Warriors
OHI;Condawhaw Warriors
OHI;Connewango Warriors
OHI;Cussewago Warriors
OHI;Dayoitgao Warriors
OHI;Deonundagae Warriors
OHI;Deyodeshot Warriors
OHI;Deyohnegano Warriors
OHI;Deyonongdadagana Warriors
OHI;Dyosyowan Warriors
OHI;Gaandowanang Warriors
OHI;Gadaho Warriors
OHI;Gahato Warriors
OHI;Gahayanduk Warriors
OHI;Ganagweh Warriors
OHI;Ganawagus Warriors
OHI;Ganeasos Warriors
OHI;Ganedontwan Warriors
OHI;Ganos Warriors
OHI;Ganosgagong Warriors
OHI;Gaonsagaon Warriors
OHI;Gaousge Warriors
OHI;Gaskosada Warriors
OHI;Gathtsegwarohare Warriors
OHI;Geneseo Warriors
OHI;Gistaquat Warriors
OHI;Gwaugweh Warriors
OHI;Honeoye Warriors
OHI;Jennesedaga Warriors
OHI;Joneadih Warriors
OHI;Kahesarahera Warriors
OHI;Kanaghsaws Warriors
OHI;Kannassarago Warriors
OHI;Kashong Warriors
OHI;Kaskonchiagon Warriors
OHI;Kaygen Warriors
OHI;Onnahee Warriors
OHI;Onoghsadago Warriors
OHI;Onondarka Warriors
OHI;Owaiski Warriors
OHI;Skahasegao Warriors
OHI;Skoiyase Warriors
OHI;Sonojowauga Warriors
OHI;Tekisedaneyout Warriors
OHI;Tioniongarunte Warriors
OHI;Tonawanda Warriors
OHI;Totiakton Warriors
OHI;Yoroonwago Warriors

OJIBWA NATION
U05;Achiligouan Warriors
U05;Amicoures Warriors
U05;Amikouet Warriors
U05;Auwause Warriors
U05;Bawating Warriors
U05;Chequamegon Warriors
U05;Keweenaw Warriors
U05;Kitchigami Warriors
U05;Macomile Warriors
U05;Malanas Warriors
U05;Marameg Warriors
U05;Mackinac Warriors
U05;Missisauga Warriors
U05;Mundua Warriors
U05;Nikikouek Warriors
U05;Noquet Warriors
U05;Oumiusagai Warriors
U05;Ouasouarini Warriors
U05;Outchibou Warriors
U05;Outchougai Warriors
U05;Ouxeinacomigo Warriors
U05;Saulteaux Warriors

MENOMINEE
U06;Kakanikone Warriors
U06;Tusininiwug Warriors
U06;Kakapakato Warriors
U06;Wininiwuk Warriors
U06;Kipisakia Warriors
U06;Manitowuk Warriors
U06;Mato Suamako Warriors
U06;Minikani Warriors
U06;Misinimak Kimiko Warriors
U06;Muhwao Sepeo Warriors
U06;Namao Wikito Tusiniu Warriors
U06;Nomakokon Sepeo Warriors
U06;Okato Warriors
U06;Pasatiko Warriors
U06;Powahekune Warriors
U06;Suamakosa Warriors
U06;Wiskos Sepeo Warriors

POTAWATOMI TRIBEDOM
U07;Bawbee Warriors
U07;Big Wolf Warriors
U07;Cheenauge Warriors
U07;Koassun Warriors
U07;Macousin Warriors
U07;Mangachqua Warriors
U07;Matchebenashshewish Warriors
U07;Matchkee Warriors
U07;Menoquet Warriors
U07;Mickkesawbee Warriors
U07;Moccasin Warriors
U07;Nottawaseppi Warriors
U07;Seginsavin Warriors
U07;Tondagaie Warriors
U07;Topenebee Warriors
U07;Manitowoc Warriors
U07;Maquanago Warriors
U07;Mitchigami Warriors
U07;Mukwonago Warriors
U07;Oconomowoc Warriors
U07;Waubekeetschuk Warriors
U07;Waukesha Warriors

TUSCARORA NATION
U08;Hassinunga Warriors
U08;Manahoac Warriors
U08;Ontponea Warriors
U08;Shackonia Warriors
U08;Stegaraki Warriors
U08;Tauxitania Warriors
U08;Tegninateo Warriors
U08;Whonkentia Warriors
U08;Massinacac Warriors
U08;Meipontsky Warriors
U08;Mohemencho Warriors
U08;Monacan Warriors
U08;Monahassano Warriors
U08;Monasiccapano Warriors
U08;Moneton Warriors
U08;Occaneechi Warriors
U08;Saponi Warriors
U08;Tutelo Warriors
U08;Adshusheer Warriors
U08;Cheraw Warriors
U08;Congaree Warriors
U08;Eno Warriors
U08;Keyauwee Warriors
U08;Nahyssan Warriors
U08;Pedee Warriors
U08;Santee Warriors
U08;Saxaphaw Warriors
U08;Sewee Warriors
U08;Shakori Warriors
U08;Shuteree Warriors
U08;Sissipahaw Warriors
U08;Sugaree Warriors
U08;Waccamaw Warriors
U08;Warrennuncock Warriors
U08;Wateree Warriors
U08;Waxhaw Warriors
U08;Winyaw Warriors
U08;Woccon Warriors

POWHATAN TRIBEDOM
U09;Pamunkey Warriors
U09;Mattaponi Warriors
U09;Ckickahoiminy Warriors
U09;Conoy Warriors
U09;Arrohateck Warriors
U09;Appamattuck Warriors
U09;Chiskiack Warriors
U09;Kecoughtan Warriors

OTTAWA NATION
U10;Aegakotcheising Warriors
U10;Anamiewatigong Warriors
U10;Apontigoumy Warriors
U10;Cheboygan Warriors
U10;Keweenaw Warriors
U10;Machonee Warriors
U10;Manistee Warriors
U10;Menawzbetaunaung Warriors
U10;Muskegan Warriors
U10;Obidgewong Warriors
U10;Waganakisi Warriors
U10;Wequetonsing Warriors
U10;Ekaentoton Warriors
U10;Manitowaning Warriors
U10;Sheguiandah Warriors
U10;Sheshegwaning Warriors
U10;Bkwjwanong Warriors
U10;Wikwemikong Warriors
U10;Kajienatroene Warriors
U10;Maskasinik Warriors
U10;Sagnitaouigama Warriors
U10;Talon Warriors

CREE CONFEDERATION
U11;Michinipi Warriors
U11;Mistassini Warriors
U11;Asni Wachi Warriors
U11;Ayapaskwa Warriors

CHOCTAW EMPIRE
U12;Pascogoula Warriors
U12;Bayogoula Warriors
U12;Acolapissa Warriors
U12;Mugulasha Warriors
U12;Quinipissa Warriors

OSAGE TRIBEDOM
U13;Washashewanun Warriors
U13;Hangkautadhantsi Warriors
U13;Panhkawashtake Warriors
U13;Ilangkaahutun Warriors
U13;Wasapetun Warriors
U13;Cpkhan Warriors
U13;Kanse Warriors
U13;Heakdhetanwan Warriors
U13;Intapupshe Warriors
U13;Khdhasiukdhin Warriors
U13;Manhukdhintanwan Warriors
U13;Nanzewaspe Warriors
U13;Nikhdhitanwan Warriors
U13;Pasnkdhin Warriors
U13;Paghuukdhinpe Warriors
U13;Santsepasu Warriors
U13;Santsukdhin Warriors
U13;Takdheskautsiupshe Warriors
U13;Tanwakanwakaghe Warriors
U13;Tanwanshinka Warriors
U13;Wakhakukdhin Warriors
U13;Shapeinihkashina Warriors
U13;Petkhaninihkashina Warriors
U13;Tatseinihkashina Warriors

ILLINOIS
U14;Chepoussa Warriors
U14;Chinkoa Warriors
U14;Coiracoentanon Warriors
U14;Espeminkia Warriors
U14;Maroua Warriors
U14;Taporoua Warriors
U14;Albiui Warriors
U14;Amonokoa Warriors
U14;Matchinkoa Warriors
U14;Negawichi Warriors

CADDOSAN TRIBES
U15;Kiohai Warriors
U15;Tawakoni Warriors
U15;Wichita Warriors
U15;Waco Warriors
U15;Pawnee Warriors
U15;Hasinai Warriors
U15;Kadohadacho Warriors
U15;Natchitoches Warriors

SAUX TRIBES
U16;Bear Warriors
U16;Beaver Warriors
U16;Deer Warriors
U16;Fish Warriors
U16;Fox Warriors
U16;Ocean Warriors
U16;Potato Warriors
U16;Snow Warriors
U16;Thunder Warriors
U16;Wolf Warriors

MIAMIS TRIBES
U17;Chicago Warriors
U17;Chippekawkay Warriors
U17;Choppatee Warriors
U17;Kekionga Warriors
U17;Kenapacomaqua Warriors
U17;Kokomo Warriors
U17;Kowasikka Warriors
U17;Maramek Warriors
U17;Meshingomesia Warriors
U17;Milwaukee Warriors
U17;Missinquimeschan Warriors
U17;Mississinewa Warriors
U17;Ouinatenon Warriors
U17;Papakeecha Warriors
U17;Piankashaw Warriors
U17;Pickawillany Warriors
U17;Tepicon Warriors
U17;Wepecheange Warriors

MASSACHEUSETT TRIBES
U18;Wampatuck Warriors
U18;Obatinnewat Warriors
U18;Winnepurkit Warriors
U18;Wonohaquaham Warriors
U18;Montowampate Warriors
U18;Cutshamequin Warriors
U18;Kutchamakin Warriors
U18;Agawam Warriors
U18;Conohasset Warriors
U18;Magaehnak Warriors
U18;Massachuset Warriors
U18;Mattapoist Warriors
U18;Mishawum Warriors
U18;Mystic Warriors
U18;Nahapassumkeck Warriors
U18;Nasnocomacack Warriors
U18;Natick Warriors
U18;Neponset Warriors
U18;Nonantum Warriors
U18;Patuxent Warriors
U18;Pocapawmet Warriors
U18;Sagoquas Warriors
U18;Saugus Warriors
U18;Secacasaw Warriors
U18;Topeent Warriors
U18;Totant Warriors
U18;Totheet Warriors
U18;Waranock Warriors
U18;Wessagusset Warriors
U18;Winnisimmet Warriors

SEMINOLE FEDERATION
U19;Timucua Warriors
U19;Yusunga Warriors
U19;Ocale Warriors
U19;Onatheacua Warriors

PUEBLO NATION
U20;Mescalero Warriors
U20;Lipan Warriors
U20;Jumano Warriors
U20;Concho Warriors
U20;Anasazi Warriors

MICMACAN TRIBES
U21;Aboushagan Warriors
U21;Antigonishe Warriors
U21;Beaubassin Warriors
U21;Chibuctouche Warriors
U21;Chignecto Warriors
U21;Ekoupahag Warriors
U21;Jedaick Warriors
U21;Kigicapigiak Warriors
U21;Miramichi Warriors
U21;Nalkithoniash Warriors
U21;Nipigiguit Warriors
U21;Pohomoosh Warriors
U21;Shediac Warriors
U21;Tabogimkik Warriors
U21;Tabusintack Warriors
U21;Waycobah Warriors

ARIKARA
U23;Oto Warriors
U23;Kansa Warriors
U23;Mandan Warriors
U23;Hidatsa Warriors

CHICKASAW NATION
U24;Ackia Warriors
U24;Alaoute Warriors
U24;Amalahta Warriors
U24;Apeony Warriors
U24;Apilefaplimengo Warriors
U24;Ashukhuma Warriors
U24;Ayebisto Warriors
U24;Chatelaw Warriors
U24;Chesafaliah Warriors
U24;Chinica Warriors
U24;Chopoussa Warriors
U24;Chucalissa Warriors
U24;Chukafalaya Warriors
U24;Chula Warriors
U24;Couiloussa Warriors
U24;Etoukouma Warriors
U24;Falatchao Warriors
U24;Gouytola Warriors
U24;Hummalala Warriors
U24;Hussinkoma Warriors
U24;Hykehah Warriors
U24;Ogoula-Tchetoka Warriors
U24;Onthaba-atchosa Warriors
U24;Ooeasa Warriors
U24;Oucahata Warriors
U24;Oucthambolo Warriors
U24;Outanquatle Warriors
U24;Phalachehs Warriors
U24;Pontotoc Warriors
U24;Shatara Warriors
U24;Shiokaya Warriors
U24;Tanyachilca Warriors
U24;Taposa Warriors
U24;Thanbolo Warriors
U24;Teshatulla Warriors
U24;Tokshish Warriors
U24;Tuckahaw Warriors
U24;Tuskawillao Warriors
U24;Tuskaroilloe Warriors
U24;Yaneka Warriors

CHUMASH TRIBES
U25;Cuyama Warriors
U25;Emigdiano Warriors
U25;Island Warriors
U25;Barbarenyo Warriors
U25;Tongva Warriors

HOPI TRIBEDOM
U26;Hohokam Warriors
U26;Mogollon Warriors
U26;Salado Warriors
U26;Sinagua Warriors
U26;Tewa Warriors

Ayeshteni

 

[bombshellboi]

But would the Americas start weak and then getting powered? Or they will start already with the advantages as the Europeans (in vanilla) get?

Due to the presence of Vinland and New Maliland for a good portion of time I would suggest that the Americans could be considered in the "Latin" and "Orthodox" tech groups.

Sorry I not posted in a while but real life gets me sometimes :rofl:.


Thanks Ayesh for the names; they really help. If you can think up ones for the Central/Southern nations that be great too.


Further im not too happy with the "culture" groups of the north; anyone got any better ideas for the grouping?

Im going to get starting on the scenario files themselves soon but im not sure of Tags.
Any ideas for useable tags?

 

[kolmy]

Due to the presence of Vinland and New Maliland for a good portion of time I would suggest that the Americans could be considered in the "Latin" and "Orthodox" tech groups.

I've thought also in a fast tech development of the Aztecs and all the Central America due to the Irish monk, Brendan, traveled to the New World (see my post in the other page for more detailed info). I've thought in two outcomes.

The first is that Brendan goes to east due to conflicts between him and the old priests, then he returns with a army, conquers Tula and unifies Mexico, embracing it in Christianity.

The second, he battle against the priests and win. Tula become a prosperous city again and Christianity starts spreading in Central America. Later the Aztecs rise and conquer what the did historically and become a the power of Central America.

In one or another, Brendan left the legend of the Old World in the central Americans, and they will try to reach it.

The Zheng He could also be part of the Central American history, but I think better he leave a deeper mark in South America than in Central America.

 

[doronz]

The Zheng He could also be part of the Central American history, but I think better he leave a deeper mark in South America than in Central America.

Why? if he ever arrived in america, he would have arrived in central america, more than in southern one, as the latter is much more distant.

 

[kolmy]

Why? if he ever arrived in america, he would have arrived in central america, more than in southern one, as the latter is much more distant.

Is not a case of distance. See here , and you will see that the expedition contacted first with South America than with Central America. (And also for a question of balance.)

 

[orimazd]

Well as the three member states all exist within Tenochtitlan province its a bit difficult...
And by 1419 the Triple Alliance is largely ruled by the Aztecs from Tenochtitlan anyway that the other tribes have become subservient; its why Tlaxcala joined the Spanish when they came to invade and deposed the Aztec Emperor.

Actually, the Aztecs (well, they were all Aztec, its just that the ones we call Aztecs today were the Mexica...I have forgotten what they other two city-states in the triple alliance were) were a minor member of the Triple Alliance until about 1430, when they became the dominant member.

Incaland (that's a strange name) should be Tawantin Suyu (land of the four corners or something like that), but in 1419 it would start out as the Kingdom of Qosqo, inhabiting only the province of Cuzco and, if i remember my south american provinces, Manu also. I have had a long semester, and was working on the Incan lands at the beginning of it for Interregnum. But I never got any technical "work" done, just research and putting (very little) together.

I might look in on this thread in December and help if I finish my interregnum work then.