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TheLoneGunman

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Greetings!

If you're here, that means you were intrigued by the name of this mod.

The final goal is a simple one.

To take the map of Europe Universalis: Rome from this:

vanillarome.jpg


To this:

newmapscaleddown.jpg


Note: Both maps have been scaled down to fit here for your viewing pleasure. The scale isn't what is important in the pictures, but the distances covered by both.

First things first though, is we need to take this very basic outline, and do a number of things:

1. Correct for changes in land and sea that have occurred in modern times.

2. Create a map of the topography that this outline represents.

3. Create a map of the terrain that this outline represents.

4. Create a map of all of the rivers as they flowed in the past.

Once these four things have been done for the entire region we are using, it will then be possible for anyone with a little modding know-how to take a portion or all of the map and make it their own.

I would like to see this project advance from that stage however, and also begin the long process of assigning provinces and naming them for the entire outline.

My end goal is to create a map that is able to be used either in its entirety, or in portions for any EU:Rome mod that has to deal with Europe, North Africa, Asia Minor, and parts of Asia/India.

Basically, allowing anyone to have a map that includes the greatest empires of the day at their full extents. So this means it will be possible for the recreation of the Persian Empire, Alexander's Empire, the Seleucid Empire, the Roman Empire, and the Parthian Empire, among others.

Yet another goal is to finally allow regions that were very small, yet crucial and packed with various peoples and cities, to finally play an important role in the game and be represented.

It will now be possible for areas such as Sicily and Greece to be the truly decisive regions of the world that they were, allowing for more battlegrounds and more city-states.

There's only one problem, for the moment this entire mod is only my goal. I need it to be your goal and dream as well.

With the support of the modding community and the ability to share work and information, we can make this a truly awesome project that anyone is free to use.

So I'm asking for your support.

My own abilities are limited, and I won't be able to do it alone.

I have included the very first version of the map I intend to use as a template for all of our hard work.

You are free to download it, look it over, modify, anything at all that you want. Just submit any work you have done here so everyone else can look it over as well.

If you do decide to participate, you will be given full credit for any work that you do.

Thank you! :)

Edit:

I will continue to update the latest version of the blank map so that everyone can check it out in its full glory and contribute if they so desire. Once the blank map has been finalized (all land and water is in its proper place), we can then progress to rivers, terrain, and topography.
 
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Very cool. Damnit, too many things are happening in this forum of late, I'm too used to it being all slow :D

Is there a particular reason for not including all of India? And including so much of the Atlantic and Siberia?

What about tilting the map, like what RTR did? I know we could just cut off the sections we don't want with PTI, I just wonder if it'd be neater that way.
 
Very cool. Damnit, too many things are happening in this forum of late, I'm too used to it being all slow :D

Is there a particular reason for not including all of India? And including so much of the Atlantic and Siberia?

What about tilting the map, like what RTR did? I know we could just cut off the sections we don't want with PTI, I just wonder if it'd be neater that way.

Well it was the best map Descartes could find for me. ;)

But if we can get an even larger and more defined map, I'd be willing to start work with it instead!
 
Sounds like a good idea to me!
 
I like the proposed scope of this map! :)
(though I'm a bit unsure of what's to be gained from adding so much of scandinavia ;)).
 
I like the proposed scope of this map! :)
(though I'm a bit unsure of what's to be gained from adding so much of scandinavia ;)).
Ice ice, baby.

But you're right, I think it'd be better to remove 20% or so (estimate) of the north and west part of the map. You could then use the pixels gained to zoom the map in a bit more and thus get a bit more detail.
 
Ice ice, baby.

But you're right, I think it'd be better to remove 20% or so (estimate) of the north and west part of the map. You could then use the pixels gained to zoom the map in a bit more and thus get a bit more detail.

Agreed.

That will be the first thing I do.

Although Scandanavia was quite significant you guys when it came to hordes of migrating barbarians.

And every PI game must have Sweden in it. ;)
 
Would everyone approve of something more along these lines:

newmapscaleddown2.jpg
 
Looks the goods to me. I'd prefer more India, but if you guys don't have access to a map which includes more of it then I'm sure I'll live ;)

It might help compensate for the fact that India has no eastern border though. A full size india with only one border would perhaps be a bit too powerfull...


Also I have nothing against a detailed Scandinavia (I'm from Sweden after all ;)) but was just unsure of what exactly would take place near the northern tip of it during this timeframe ;)

I love how Greece, Egypt and the middle east is looking on this map...
 
I like that you have the west coast of Africa. I see potential there by following the account of the Carthaginian voyage down that coast and also giving the Mauretanians some more lands. Also inland Africa allows for the Atlas Mountains and the Gaetulian Tribes. In the central Sahara you have the Garamantes (Empire ?).

I also agree with Cheexsta, more India so you can have the the Mauryan Empire at its full extent. Also down to the Horn of Africa, that way you can join the Red Sea to the Indian Ocean and include some exotic nations. Have a look at this map:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NE_200bc.jpg

Alexanders latest enterprise before he died was to conquer Arabia and sail around the whole Peninsula. Also the Red Sea was important to the Ptolemies and later the Romans, so they could trade with India. I have a working Suez Canal modification which allows you to transport one trireme at a time - Med. to Red and Red to Med.
 
Ok, this is why I started this thread and wanted to undertake such a large project!

Thank you guys for the feedback thus far.

What I'm going to need if we want India included in a larger extent, is a map that has the same scale as the one I have attached on the first post, or an even bigger scale.

I would always prefer to scale down the map later if need be, than have to try and scale it up and "stretch" it.
 
I like that idea. Especially the bit about creating a map that reflects the change in coastline that took place between then and now, though that could be an awful lot of work. I have some maps about the coast of germany and the netherlands from the time around the birth of Christ, so maybe I could help with that.
 
I like that idea. Especially the bit about creating a map that reflects the change in coastline that took place between then and now, though that could be an awful lot of work. I have some maps about the coast of germany and the netherlands from the time around the birth of Christ, so maybe I could help with that.

Well feel free to post whatever you happen to have on here!

As I said before, I'm not going to be able to do this alone. I'm just hoping to get the ball rolling and motivate everyone else to go along with it.

I've managed to get another map and have expanded the scale of it to near massive proportions (though the size of the file has also sky-rocketed!).

Tell me what you guys think of this projection:

giantmap2scaledj.jpg
 
And here is another possibility, cutting out most of Africa by adding a tilt to the map:

giantmap2scaledtilt.jpg
 
And one more with an even greater angle of tilt for your viewing and opinionated pleasure:

neweuropemaprescaledtit.jpg
 
I like the first of those three maps, only with all of Scandinavia and add China.