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It's same names like in vanilla?
Yes Bosnian should be Bosnians, nice Vax!
But Bosnia doesn't include Constantinople, you know
and Rome too
But Bosnia doesn't include Constantinople, you know
No? So, I don't get it
But Bosnia doesn't include Constantinople, you know
NO!!! Really!!?? no wonder i am so bad in geography!
I am back from my 2nd travel!
Soon (probably later this week) I'll be ready to take back the control of this and to work on the events/stuff to have a playable mod by the end of summer (or earlier if possible, but release dates are never to be trusted).
I'll read all the new posts more in depht later, right now I'll only give a few thoughts:
About the whole province-naming thing: the names of the provinces are going to stay like they are. Renaming everything takes alot of time, and doesn't add so much flavor. I thini the names right now are just fine, and that energy should be directed toward the 1936-194X (pre-war and first war years) timeline, so something playable can be constructed.
Scandinavia: I see no reasons to include radicalism, or imperialism here. Its great to have colliding blocks or rival empires, but this region is quite stable on the political and economic aspects. The scandinavian nations are much better by staying peacefull rather than by reviving old claims (Denmark annexing Norway again for exemple would not really fit the XXth century). If any scandinavian nation joins the worldwide conflict it should be because of pressure from the great powers (like Britain desiring to protect trade routes with Norway, Germany wanting to influence Sweden in order to counter Russian presence in Finland, etc.
China: Has already been discussed many times for the old mod. One of the aims of this mod at its very begining was to allow the player to play old countries that are no longer existing in our timeline (Imperial Germany, A-H, Ottomans, Tsarist Russia, Imperial France, etc., ), and the Qing are no different. Perhaps having the Nationalists in power and a scenario similar to OTL would be a bit more plausible, but it would be much less fun. A Republican couterpart already exist for China and it should simply be deepened further (with the fall of the Qings being possible trough internal dissent, etc.).
Ideologies: First, about Bonapartism. This isn't the XVIIIth century anymore, and France isn't really spreading liberalism in feudals monarchies. This is the 2nd Empire we have here, an empire that was going trough major liberal reforms before the Franco-Prussian war. Bonapartism in this case is, from my point of view, a bit more autoritarian form of constitutional monarchy, with some powers being given to a charistmatic monarch. But it should indeed be a bit more radical and nationalistic that constitutional systems like thoses in Britain and Germany.
Second, about ideologies naming. What I have tried to do was to give quite generic names to ideologies. Having 'Bonapartism' or 'Bolchevism' as names to certain ideologies is not very good in this mod, because they are very assosciated with a single culture (France and Russia in this case). Having 'Radical Nationalist' or 'Socialist' makes it very easy to apply to every nation in the mod without looking silly (imagine Bonapartist China for exemple). 'Radical Nationalist' can instead be fully applied to any regime of that kind in the world.
I'd also have a few changes to make to the map if somebody with the appropriate skills volunteers for this job (not full-scale redrawing of the map but simply the addition of 2-3 provinces.).
Soon (probably later this week) I'll be ready to take back the control of this and to work on the events/stuff to have a playable mod by the end of summer (or earlier if possible, but release dates are never to be trusted).
I'll read all the new posts more in depht later, right now I'll only give a few thoughts:
About the whole province-naming thing: the names of the provinces are going to stay like they are. Renaming everything takes alot of time, and doesn't add so much flavor. I thini the names right now are just fine, and that energy should be directed toward the 1936-194X (pre-war and first war years) timeline, so something playable can be constructed.
Scandinavia: I see no reasons to include radicalism, or imperialism here. Its great to have colliding blocks or rival empires, but this region is quite stable on the political and economic aspects. The scandinavian nations are much better by staying peacefull rather than by reviving old claims (Denmark annexing Norway again for exemple would not really fit the XXth century). If any scandinavian nation joins the worldwide conflict it should be because of pressure from the great powers (like Britain desiring to protect trade routes with Norway, Germany wanting to influence Sweden in order to counter Russian presence in Finland, etc.
China: Has already been discussed many times for the old mod. One of the aims of this mod at its very begining was to allow the player to play old countries that are no longer existing in our timeline (Imperial Germany, A-H, Ottomans, Tsarist Russia, Imperial France, etc., ), and the Qing are no different. Perhaps having the Nationalists in power and a scenario similar to OTL would be a bit more plausible, but it would be much less fun. A Republican couterpart already exist for China and it should simply be deepened further (with the fall of the Qings being possible trough internal dissent, etc.).
Ideologies: First, about Bonapartism. This isn't the XVIIIth century anymore, and France isn't really spreading liberalism in feudals monarchies. This is the 2nd Empire we have here, an empire that was going trough major liberal reforms before the Franco-Prussian war. Bonapartism in this case is, from my point of view, a bit more autoritarian form of constitutional monarchy, with some powers being given to a charistmatic monarch. But it should indeed be a bit more radical and nationalistic that constitutional systems like thoses in Britain and Germany.
Second, about ideologies naming. What I have tried to do was to give quite generic names to ideologies. Having 'Bonapartism' or 'Bolchevism' as names to certain ideologies is not very good in this mod, because they are very assosciated with a single culture (France and Russia in this case). Having 'Radical Nationalist' or 'Socialist' makes it very easy to apply to every nation in the mod without looking silly (imagine Bonapartist China for exemple). 'Radical Nationalist' can instead be fully applied to any regime of that kind in the world.
I'd also have a few changes to make to the map if somebody with the appropriate skills volunteers for this job (not full-scale redrawing of the map but simply the addition of 2-3 provinces.).
But with this idea "Fascism" and "National Socialism" of the vanilla game are wrong, because are related to Italy and Gemany.
In fact there's no association. Bonapartist China sound good. It's China with the Bonapartist system, like National Socialist Hungary in OTL. Same goes to Bolchevism. Both ideologies born in one single country, but they spawn themselves to other nations.
Moreover, "Socialism" could only replace "Left Wing Radical". It's so soft to replace "Leninism" or "Stalinism". And "Radical Nationalist" means nothing. Stalinism is a radical nationalist ideology. National Socialism too. Fascism too. Even democracies could be "Radical Nationalism", because it's only one trait of the ideology.
nooo! i does add more, it is much better then and more realistic, is there not someone else who can do this? that you can do the other things and that he/she/it does the map? someone who can do it has all the time then if he/she/it only has to do the map so being fast is not needed, i would like to do it but i never tried, so i must learn. can someone post a like to the map edit topic so that i can learn it?(i am really good at learning, i just heard i go to the next class next year
) if i can do it i will do it, ok? but you have to send me the map you use then.i think leninism can be the same but stalinism has to change, like: Radical communism, radical leninism etc.
*sob*
No it doesn't!
No it does.
You can give it to me - it's very easy.
PS: Juche and green-thinkers aren't communist.
Yeah, quite far from at least what Marx meant, but on the other hand they call themselves communists. And that's what matter in ideology naming, maybe... Was Stalin a communist? Or Lenin, Mao, Kim Il Sung? At least their societies weren't democrat what was Marx's vision about communist society.
But I guess this is not right place for this kind of a discussion.
This is good idea. I just don't like the names you proposed. They are bit, awkward... Though I myself can't find any other better name :rofl:
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thanks that you can do it, it is so much better with correct things.
i hate things wich are not historical:
we have a commercial on tv about a bank, that they did sometimes a step back because of a war: you see presents day europe, changing in the max expansion of the axis in ww2 and then back to presents day! that is so not right, and i really hate it (an obsession
o)but great that you can do it!
The names that needed changes (mostly in OTL USSR) have already been done.
The main region that would be affected by potential city name changes would be Austria-Hungary. Even if it looks fancy to change everything eitheir to local name, or German/Hungarian, it will looks very silly following the war or if Austria becomes a federal state.
Just think about Bratislava. Slovakia is in the Hungarian part of the A-H, and thus would be named 'Pozsony'. There is the possibility to create an independent Slovakia if Austria is destroyed, and it would have its capital in Hungarian (or in German, but Pressburg isn't much better).
Bratislava is a city name everybody can understand and that can be used in any situation.
If we want to change this we will also need to change names in all of the world, if we want to add vernacular names. So we have Roma, Milano, München, Warzawa, Al-Iksandryah, Al-Qahira, Ciudad de Mejico, etc.
Even if it seems to give flavor at first, those changes will be highly anti-flavor if things differs from the starting positions (wich should happen). I do not think Croatia would like to have Agram as capital, or Greece Konstantinyye.
We shoud focus our efforts on something else, as I said.
The main region that would be affected by potential city name changes would be Austria-Hungary. Even if it looks fancy to change everything eitheir to local name, or German/Hungarian, it will looks very silly following the war or if Austria becomes a federal state.
Just think about Bratislava. Slovakia is in the Hungarian part of the A-H, and thus would be named 'Pozsony'. There is the possibility to create an independent Slovakia if Austria is destroyed, and it would have its capital in Hungarian (or in German, but Pressburg isn't much better).
Bratislava is a city name everybody can understand and that can be used in any situation.
If we want to change this we will also need to change names in all of the world, if we want to add vernacular names. So we have Roma, Milano, München, Warzawa, Al-Iksandryah, Al-Qahira, Ciudad de Mejico, etc.
Even if it seems to give flavor at first, those changes will be highly anti-flavor if things differs from the starting positions (wich should happen). I do not think Croatia would like to have Agram as capital, or Greece Konstantinyye.
We shoud focus our efforts on something else, as I said.
i think Pozsony is better because: everybody understand stalingrad, but that do we change too in Tsarisyn so. and in pressburg and near area's there were more germans(austrians) that hungarians or slovakians you see, pressburg is completly pink, so i think it should be called Preßburg/Pressburg or then Pozsony but not bratislava. they choose the name in elections to change the city name in 1919, because Pozsony was too austria-hungarian. so there was no bratislava without ww1, slovakia can became independent, so? the vanilla map doesnt also fit when germany takes over czech, then the names also dont change. the city names has to be based on what country is ruling it at the begin of the 1936 scenario. so too bad for slovakia and maybe the guy who tought lets call it bratislava already died in 1936.
if you came in this world and you ask: "goes this train to bratislava?" "bratislava? what the hell is that for city?" "oh i mean pressburg/pozsony" "ooohhhh...yes, it goes"
you understand?
and dont forget that germany is also a area to change, in east, no polish names (this are 3/4 provinces so that not much) and that russia is already done, great! i think the most o things should remain there english names (mexico, constantinopel). maybe munchen can be german because that is not a hard name like konstantinyye and you will understand dirctly in is munich, not like here, if dont know it i dont will see it is constantinopel.
only the most important changes of cities names has to come like constantinopel, pressburg, posen, st petersburg etc. not cities like mexico, it is the same as in the vanilla map.
let zagreb be zagreb.
Why care so much about province names, arn't events and ministers/leaders more important to do?
this the flavour of the game, the most realistic part wich everybody can check, so that is most important and ministers etc they allready have most, from pteap.
Actually, my comment was intended to be of a 'Yes, but this is a chance to do it right' vein, in regards to Qing China (if an Intervention is still needed, an Intervention to prop up a tottering regime seems more likely than a - severely delayed - Intervention to resurrect a fallen regime).
In other words, I'm not that opposed to it. At least this mod can do it both plausibly and fitting with the general atmosphere of the mod.
Actually, my comment was intended to be of a 'Yes, but this is a chance to do it right' vein, in regards to Qing China (if an Intervention is still needed, an Intervention to prop up a tottering regime seems more likely than a - severely delayed - Intervention to resurrect a fallen regime).
In other words, I'm not that opposed to it. At least this mod can do it both plausibly and fitting with the general atmosphere of the mod.
Thats perfect then, if we can work together on a plausible storyline behind the Qing I'll be all for it.
I've got an idea for Bonapartism and other ideologies. When I played WW1 Mod and noticed name ''Radicalist'' is used for LWR, and it was used for various reasons, not being always related to Marxism and Socialism.
Since there won't be really extreme ideologies in this mod(as Stalinism for ST and National Socialism for NS), we could use this oportunity. NS could stay Radical Nationalist(that would be less defined extreme Right-Wing system like National Populism in KR mod). Since Bolsheviks and Mensheviks would be still united faction, ST could be Socialist and LE could be Left-Wing Radical(maybe for Anarchists, non-Marxist Socialists). LWR could then be Bonapartist/Radicalist/your suggestions...
In this mod, 2nd Empire will survive and this means some legacy of Napoleon III is still around. Napoleon III was very pragmatic leader, successfuly mixing Liberalism, Conservativism and Socialism. Bonapartism itself also isn't strictly Left/Right defined, as Bonapartist claim they are against such divisions. French Empire could thise way led more specific system, as Bonapartism also is mix of monarchism and republicanism, fight for both liberal and social ideas, but also a bit authoritarian. However, Bonapartist authoritarian rule is more radical and revolutionary than classic authoritarian monarchical rule, which is more reactionary. The only issue I see is probably position of Maurras. Would he fit in such category? He was more classical monarchist IRL, altough he could also throw his support behind Bonaparte as staunt French nationalist.
My suggestion for spectre:
NS: Radical Nationalist
FA: Absolutist
PA: Paternal Autocrat
SC: Social Conservative
ML: Market Liberal
SC: Social Liberal
SD: Social Democrat
LWR: Radicalist/Bonapartist/National Radical/other suggestions
LE: Left-Wing Radical
ST: Socialist
Thoughts?
Since there won't be really extreme ideologies in this mod(as Stalinism for ST and National Socialism for NS), we could use this oportunity. NS could stay Radical Nationalist(that would be less defined extreme Right-Wing system like National Populism in KR mod). Since Bolsheviks and Mensheviks would be still united faction, ST could be Socialist and LE could be Left-Wing Radical(maybe for Anarchists, non-Marxist Socialists). LWR could then be Bonapartist/Radicalist/your suggestions...
In this mod, 2nd Empire will survive and this means some legacy of Napoleon III is still around. Napoleon III was very pragmatic leader, successfuly mixing Liberalism, Conservativism and Socialism. Bonapartism itself also isn't strictly Left/Right defined, as Bonapartist claim they are against such divisions. French Empire could thise way led more specific system, as Bonapartism also is mix of monarchism and republicanism, fight for both liberal and social ideas, but also a bit authoritarian. However, Bonapartist authoritarian rule is more radical and revolutionary than classic authoritarian monarchical rule, which is more reactionary. The only issue I see is probably position of Maurras. Would he fit in such category? He was more classical monarchist IRL, altough he could also throw his support behind Bonaparte as staunt French nationalist.
My suggestion for spectre:
NS: Radical Nationalist
FA: Absolutist
PA: Paternal Autocrat
SC: Social Conservative
ML: Market Liberal
SC: Social Liberal
SD: Social Democrat
LWR: Radicalist/Bonapartist/National Radical/other suggestions
LE: Left-Wing Radical
ST: Socialist
Thoughts?