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Noted, thanks. Please take the map modes as WIP, we've been doing changes and tweaks since we started Tinto Maps, and we still have some bugs to fix (although some have gone, like the annoying one on the sea zones in the Topography map mode!).
Same with von von Hoya
 
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why areas were not devided by Reichskreis? Upper Rhine is an extremely strange area for me. Swabia not including Stuttgart is strange.

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First of all dividing the areas by Reichkreis might be historical but looks absolutely ungodly on the map and would look terrible right next to other areas who are nice and tidy. Also the Reichkreis were only implemented in the early 1500s and were only really administrative regions and nothing more. Most areas are based on geographical regions rather than purely administrative ones like the Reichkreis, for example Sweden's areas are based on the regions of Svealand, Götaland and Norrland which to my knowledge have never had any sort of administrative purpose at all and just serve as geographical/historical regions.
 
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Good job! as always I have a few questions and requests:

1-Are Margraviates and marches considered tier 2 countries?
2-Can you separate the three Rhaetian languages from the Gallo-Italic group please? Even though it's small I think they can a group on their own considering how different they are from the northern Italian dialects
3-Can you rename the tier 1 Swiss republics Cantons it would be very fitting!
4-It's not in Germany but I have recently noticed that the Livonian Order is just called Livonia, why?
5-Since it seems you renamed it what's the full name of the Palatinate? The official name was the Electorate of the Palatinate only after the golden bull of 1356, before that in it was the County Palatinate of the Rhine so is there a dynamic change of the name?
6-Is there an event for the enstablishment of the free imperial city of Cologne which historically separated itself from the Archbishopric in 1475?
7-I noticed that Nassau was a formable in the last Tinto Talks, in how many tags is it split at the start and what are their names?
8-Have you thought about representing the Frisian Freedom as an IO similar to Swiss Confederation rather than a unified tag since that would be more appropriate?
9-The Archduchy wasn't a thing yet so why is Austria so "centralized" in 1337? I can maybe understand Austria and Styria being one thing even though both of them are duchies on the same hierarchical level and are jointly ruled ruled by the two Habsburg brothers(which I hope it can be portrayed to PU mechanics somehow) but not for the duchy of Carinthia which only became part of the Habsburg domain in 1335 and by 1337 still had high degrees of authonomy and pretty much the same can be said for the March of Carniola, I feel like the current PU mechanics that you showed us are perfect to represent the Habsburg monarchy so why don't you use them?
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@Pavía Could you(or someone else on team) answer these questions I prepared when you have time of course please? :p
 
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I think this map was much better than the original but I have a few things to say. First off I believe slovenian should be it's own dialect because names are different in it compared to Serbian or Croatian. For example Ivan - Janez, Franjo - France and Matija - Matjaž along with these some city names are different for example Beč - Dunaj (Vienna). Also I believe the province of Gradec should be renamed to Slovenj Gradec as Gradec should be the flavour name of the Slovenian dialect for Graz so it could cause some confusion.
yup I agree:) especially with Gradec being Slovenj Gradec.
 
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Someone explain this one to me.

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How does a landlocked location have pearls as an RGO?
 
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Can you separate Thruringia from the Upper Saxony Area since I don't think there's any geographical/political division that portrayed it in this way and please partition the Upper Rhine between its neighboring areas it feels very out of place
 
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A few suggestions for the Upper Bavaria / Tirol regions:
  • Berchtesgaden should be protected to the south by impassable terrain. Even today there are only three narrow mountain passes connecting the big valley to the north, on all other sides it is completely blocked off by very high mountains. Exactly the reason why the German Austrian border is still there right now, despite it almost being an exclave. It should not be possible to invade that location from the current locations of Saalfeldern and Bischofshofen and maybe even Hallein given that it represents also villages south of Hallein. The impassable terrain already present should be extended.
  • Landeck, Innsbruck and Schwaz lay next each other in that order in the Inn-Valley, it makes no sense that you can go from Landeck to Schwaz without passing through Innsbruck.
  • Innsbruck, Schwaz and even a bit Kufstein are very well protected to the North by the Karwendel and Brandenberg Alp mountain ranges. The only mountain pass is super narrow over the Lake Achen. It should not be possible to invade Innsbruck, Schwaz and Kufstein from the current location of Tölz, an impassable terrain would portray the actual geography much more accurately and I think it is also fun gameplay wise that it is easier for Tirol to defend one of their most important valleys from the north.
  • Given that you already noticeably reduced the density of provinces in this region, I think there is no need for both Brixen and Villandro, especially given they are surrounded by mountains on both sides and the Eisack-Valley is very narrow. So I think unifying them to Brixen makes more sense game play wise.
  • If there is a Lake Starnberg, there should also be a lake Ammer, they are almost the same size next to each other.
  • Wouldn't Zillertal / Zillervalley be better a better name for the location instead of just one of the small villages, Zell am Ziller, inside it?
 

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I have a bit of mixed feelings about what we got on the platter.

Carinthia:
-Yay, we got the Prince-Bishopric of Gurk! But I don't know why the location is called Feldkirchen (yellow dot), if it doesn't exist in this location, it would be better to call it Gurk.
- Hermagor was owned by the Patriarchs of Aquileia until 1342... I don't know why it had to be stretched out like @palando mentioned.
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Styria:
- Graz is Gradec in Slovene, so "Gradec" should be Slovenj Gradec, as it was already mentioned in the 14th century as Windischgraz, so that there will be no confusion.

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For "Slovenia", or more correctly, Carniola...

I am very glad that you took my suggestion about raw materials into consideration.

@Pavía I assume that there will not be a greater concentration of locations in the part of Inner Austria, that this is the maximum?
 

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A quick question about naming of Locations: U decided to name every Location after the biggest city respectably, but in Stormarn u decided to not do that , every location in Holstein has a fitting city. I would suggest to rename Stormarn (Stormarn is the name of the "Kreis" or local governing Region in German) to either Oldesloe (biggest town at that time , foundet in 11th century on the decree by Duke von Schauenburg) or Ahrendsburg (u decided to use this city for the naming of that region in CK3, but it was foundet in 1311 only by the duke of Schauenburg, so its not quite a city at this time). Furthermore Oldesloe was the main trading city in between Hamburg an Lubeck (it was part of the salt transportation route linkin both cities and acted as a safetypoint excatly in the middle between the cities) and flourished in the 13th century shown by a wide array of coins beeing produced in this city at that time which are now on display in the local museum as evidence.
Thanks for the changing of goods to salt =) Fits perfect with our regional history.
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Furthermore i would like to suggest in the location of Heiligenhafen (north of Eutin bordering "Stormarn") to change it to Oldenburg in Holstein or a shorter variation, as Heiligenhafen (less than 1k inhabitants at game start) was historically a small fishing town and most influence in the Region was located in Oldenburg in Holstein (more then 2k and trading centre of the region) which was the main Governing city of that Region this city hat by 1320 already a big church an was known for the defensive works protecting the city ("Oldenburger Wall"). Oldenburg was always larger ppulation wise , still today (about 10k more). I get why u wouldnt change the name tho , because of naming issues with Oldenburg in Lower Saxony , but it would be more fitting.

At last i want to edit that the province of Wolgast or Grimmern (located on the edge of both provinces) should be Greifswald i think , it was a hanseatic partner city by 1250 and is and was a trading hub between Stralsund and Stettin. It had about 5 times the size as the other cites at almost all times. Furthermore it was a university city (1456 as the pomeranian State University) and was known in the local region (middle ages) for her good natural harbour , which sadly later got too sandy to use. (17th century)
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I really appreciate ur work in Germany thanks for that!
 
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The Areas look much better and the new names of the provinces are quite an improvement. I have (again) some criticizm about the raw materials in the Weserbergland:

From north to south:
Bückeburg: replace wool with marble.
The area around Bückeburg was the source of a type of stone that was knwon as "Bremen stone" (as it was exported via Bremen) that was apparently excelent to work with for monuments. In game that should be represented as marble.

Hamelin: replace horces with wheat
The city had several mills since the 13th century - the millstone is even in the cities coat of arms. This suggest plenty access to wheat

Holzminden: Lumber
Northern part of the Solling mountains - the main source of lumber and stone that was shipped via bremen into the baltic.
Einbeck: Stone
Southern part of the Solling mountains.
 
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