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Hello, and welcome to another Tinto Maps Feedback post! A bit later than usual, but better late than never, I guess.Today we will be taking a review of the Maghreb. Let's start with the list of changes, as usual:

ADDITIONS

Added the following:
  • Locations (54+ 17 Lakes + lots Wastelands)
    • Afso
    • Aït Benhaddou
    • Aïn Madhi
    • Aït Daoud
    • Al Jamah
    • Al-Kadwa
    • Al-Khadra
    • Amdoukal
    • Azilal
    • Bejaâd
    • Berriane
    • Bir el Alter
    • Brézina
    • Charef
    • Charouine
    • Chenini
    • Chichaoua
    • Debila
    • Douz
    • Drâa
    • Echemmaia
    • El Abiodh Sidi Cheikh
    • El Agheila
    • El Ksour
    • Foum Zguid
    • Guettara
    • Ifrane
    • Igli
    • Jadu
    • Kallat Sraghna
    • Ksar el Boukhari
    • Medjez El Bab
    • Medrissa
    • Messaâd
    • Midelt
    • Nefta
    • N'Goussa
    • Ouled Djellal
    • Ras al-Ain
    • Ras Lanuf
    • Sbikha
    • Sidi Bennour
    • Sinawin
    • Taghit
    • Tarhuna
    • Tata
    • Tawurgha
    • Tegeget
    • Tekouch
    • Tissemsilt
    • Tissint
    • Tizounine
    • Yafran
    • Zintan
  • Lakes
    • Chott El Gharsah
    • Chott el Hodna
    • Chott Tinsilt
    • Lake Fetzara
    • Lake Ichkeul
    • Mellahet El Brega
    • Sebkhat Cherita
    • Sebkhat Guerrah Et Tarf
    • Sebkhat El Ghorra
    • Sebkhat El Melah
    • Sebkhat En Noual
    • Sebkhat Kelbia
    • Sebkhat of Oran
    • Sebkhat Sidi El Hani
    • Sebkhat Sokhna
    • Sebkhat Zehrez Chergui
    • Sebkhat Zehrez Gharbi
  • Wastelands
    • Divided many Wastelands into more pieces.
  • TAGs
    • Banu Tellis
    • Djerids
    • Gabès
    • Gafsa
    • Mzab
    • Ouargla
    • Tafilalt
    • Touggourt
    • Zab
  • Characters
    • btl_ahmad_bin_tellis
    • btl_ali_bin_ahmad
    • btl_ali_bin_galib
    • btl_galib_bin_ali
    • fza_ali_nasur
    • gbs_makki
    • gbs_ahmed_ibn_makki
    • mor_abu_ali_omar
    • trp_muhammad_ibn_thabit
    • trp_thabit_ibn_ammar
    • trp_thabit_ibn_muhammad
    • zab_ahmad_bin_yusuf
    • zab_al_fadl_bin_ali_bin_ahmed_bin_al_hassan_bin_ali_bin_muzni
    • zab_mansur_bin_fadl
    • zab_yusuf_bin_mansur
  • Dynamic Names
    • Added some Dynamic Names for Arabic, Tamazight and Spanish languages
CORRECTIONS

Renamed the following:
  • Locations (only corrections. Additionally renamed all locations to standardized form):
    • Arrecife to Teguise
    • As-Sawira to Mogador
    • Betancuria to Maxorata
    • Las Palmas de Gran Canaria to Tamaraceite
    • Ouadane to Wadan
    • Remla to Sidi Fredj
    • Santa Cruz de la Gomera to Hipalán
    • Santa Cruz de la Palma to Tedote
    • Santa Cruz de Tenerife to Aguere
    • Tazhouda to Ras Kebdana
    • Ž-Ždīda to Mazaghan
Cultures
  • Renamed Berber culture group to Amazigh
  • Renamed Berber language to Tamazight
  • Renamed Kabylian culture to Kabyle
Raw Goods
  • Changed several Raw Goods as suggested
Terrain and Vegetation
  • Total Review
Locations
  • Redrew several Locations

Countries:
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Morocco.jpg

Tunis.jpg

Morocco and Tunis have been split into several countries, while Fezzan is now a vassal of the Empire of Kanem although we have to improve how that is shown with the default map settings).

Dynasties:
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Locations:
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The locations of the region, plus the bonus track of the Canary Island renaming.

Provinces:
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Areas:
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Terrain:
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Vegetation.jpg

Tons of changes!

Development:
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New map!

Harbors:
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Another new map! This one needs a bit of love, so feedback is pretty well welcomed, as usual!

Cultures:
Cultures.jpg

Some distribution changes in the cultures of the region, although there's some more work on minorities remaining, when we fix the couple of issues pending with our pop editor.

Languages:
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New map, and new language name, Tamazight!

Religions:
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Raw Materials:
Raw Materials.jpg

Lots of changes!

And that's all for today! Remember that this Friday we will start with our new series, Tinto Flavour! See you then!
 
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I like the political map changes, new locations and the renaming of El Jadida and Essaouira :) Some minor points

  • To my understanding Walili (Volubilis) was basically abandoned at this point, and the nearby Moulay Idriss Zerhoun would make a better choice for the location.
  • Technically it should be Buja'd, not Buj'ad.
  • Shouldn't Zuwarah be majority Eastern Berber, seeing as how it still is today?
  • Did Ibadism really exist among all Amazigh of Libya, instead of just the Mozabites, Djerba and the Nafusa mountains? Seeming them in Fezzan is surprising.
  • Still need to make Jarsif into Garsif/Guercif. It's in the minority of words where ﺝ is pronounced /g/ in Moroccan Arabic.
  • And still think the Chaus province should be Haouz.
  • I'd prefer to spell اولاد جلال as Awlād Jalāl, not with a ğ as that makes it look like a غ. Same thing with ابو حجلة, should be Bū Hajla.
  • Hunaifira has a weird spelling of vowels. It's Khenifra. Henifra would be acceptable, keeping the diacritic under the h which I don’t have on my keyboard.
  • Your Arabic transliteration is still very inconsistent.
 
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Nice job with the review! In 1337 Genoa has major trade posts and small colonies in(local name/Italian and Gallo-Italic name) :
-Tunis/Tunisi(both Venice and Genoa have important trade posts here, as I mentioned in the Levant feedback this was one of the ports that Venice used to bypass the Papal ban of trade with Egypt
-Al-Mahdiyah/Mahdia
-Salā/Salé
-Āsfī/Safi
All the locations above should have some small communities of Ligurian pops symbolizing Genoese merchants living and working there
Genoa also has minor trade posts in:
-Tanja/Tangeri
-Wehran/Orano
-Al-Jazā'ir/Algeri
-Annābah/Bona
-Ṭarābulus al-Gharb/Tripoli

In the future Genoa will conquer the coastal city of Ṭabarqa/Tabarca
 
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The ruler of Tunis in this time period had the title of Caliph, will this be represented through a decision like in Eu4 or are there mechanics related to the Hafsid Caliphate?
 
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Where Algiers is should at least be a bay, and maybe Ceuta should be higher, but it depends on if you all see the geography there as favorable for a harbor. Otherwise, what a smooth coast, very few natural harbors!
 
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