Its a unique tech for Mongols I presume. Age 1 refers to Age of Traditions probably.
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I see the Chobanids on that list. Where are they on the map?
Historically they essentially entirely boot out the Jalayirids from their current centre of power in Azerbaijan to Iraq, and become the dominant Ilkhanid successor state (with a Borjigin puppet).
This was made possible via Chobanid relatives defecting en masse from the Jalayirids to Hasan Kuchak Chobanid in July 1338. This included the governor of Tabriz, Pir Husayin, who was Hasan Kuchak's cousin.
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As far as I understand, the Udis will be represented as Lezgins in the game. This decision was likely made due to the similarities in language, culture, and ancestry.
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First of all, thanks for the reply.However, I disagree basing all provinces solely on Georgian history.
I can’t see why you want to go so far as to make Tuapse part of Abkhazia, because this area in a 100 years will be united into Circassian nation, and continue being part of it until Russian empire, nearly entire game timeframe.
Your first point is that I am being ethnocentric and not respectful enough for other people's claims to the land. I am not.
My reasoning for Costa's and Tuapse/Nicpsia's inclusion in the province of Abkhazia is simple. It has been a part of that geographical and political region since the 8th century.
Furthermore, if your argument lies in that the provinces should represent the territorial organisation of polities or lands as present in the time frame of 1337-1837, again, it makes the most amount of sense to put those two locations in Abkhazia, as Inal's Circassia, as seen on your map, was barely unified for ~20 years (even if that — we know next to nothing about him or his reign).
After that, the region was completely decentralised until the Russian conquest (and genocide) in the 19th century.
I genuinely think that this is the best setup for the province, my nationality notwithstanding.
Here's a video (by a Circassian!), who explains this far better than I ever could:
Side note on the map you posted — it's an infamously terrible and unsourced map made on Wikipedia. I am by no means implying that you were purposefully deceitful for using it. Just keep in mind that a lot of such maps are used for propaganda.
The part of modern Armenia that you are referring to was contemporaneously known as Somkhiti.
I will not dive into the extremely complex history of the province, for the sake of brevity, but rest assured that I didn't make this suggestion based on nothing.
That province had been a part of one of the oldest Georgian states, Iberia, since its foundation.
Subsequently, it would pass to the kingdom of Georgia. After the collapse of the united kingdom, it would remain a part of Kartli (and also Kakheti since 1762), so the argument for the depiction of provinces as they were for the longest time between 1337-1837, disregarding the past, falls apart as well.
If anything, placing the province within an area known as Armenia, which only includes the land on the right bank of the Araxes would be far more anachronistic.
Same to you!
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Artaz (the country) should be Catholic as well, with likely a good deal of Catholic pops:
Evidence of the ruler being Catholic isn't until a bit after the start date, but given the extent of Catholic power here whether Franciscans or otherwise, I think it's safe to say that they probably were.
Evidence of the ruler being Catholic isn't until a bit after the start date, but given the extent of Catholic power here whether Franciscans or otherwise, I think it's safe to say that they probably were.
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Maybe it has already been pointed out, but I cannot understand it:
- The detailed tooltip shows 0.49 + 0.27 - 0.09 - 0.12 = +0.55 diplomatic capacity for the Eretnids.
- There is no sign of other rows below.
- Why is it +0.39 in the end?
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I saw a big part of Jalayirid horde, Iraqi hulegud and Gurgan horde had Mongolian as their common language, does that mean their primary culture is also Mongolian?
The ruler of Gurgan traced descent from a brother of Genghis Khan and still principally lived a semi-nomadic lifestyle, so it would make total sense. Same for the ruler of the Huleguids (in fact he was a direct descendent of Genghis).
The Jalayrids are more complicated. I'd have had them as a Perso-Mongol culture, to mark their greater integration into the Persian bureaucratic structure. But Mongol isn't inaccurate either.
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The Jalayirids' transition to a more Persian style structure would happen only after they finally gave up their attempts at uniting the Ilkhanate under their own Borjigid puppet.
They would begin calling themselves Sultan and used Islam to great effect to legitimize themselves through patronage. The Chobanids in contrast had a more traditional Mongol style of governance.
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Maybe it has already been pointed out, but I cannot understand it:
Concerning...
- The detailed tooltip shows 0.49 + 0.27 - 0.09 - 0.12 = +0.55 diplomatic capacity for the Eretnids.
- There is no sign of other rows below.
- Why is it +0.39 in the end?
0.39 + 0.22+ 0.19 + 0.18 + 0.16 + 0.15 + 0.14+ 0.13 + 0.13 + 0.13 =
EDIT: whoops, didn't notice the scroll wheel thingy , thanks @Big_birdy
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the missing numbers can probably be found when using the scroll bar on the right
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Could I suggest that 'Gurgan Horde' (& Mongol Horde, &c) would look nicer than 'Horde of Gurgan'?
It also seems a bit odd that everyone in and around Persia is either county or kingdom tier; is that intentional?
Apart from that the dd looks fantastic to me, good work.
It also seems a bit odd that everyone in and around Persia is either county or kingdom tier; is that intentional?
Apart from that the dd looks fantastic to me, good work.
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Udi being added would be really cool, they're the last remnants of Caucasian AlbaniaWhy do the lands of the Principality of Artaz still have Kurdish culture as the dominant one? The dominant culture should be Armenian culture and Kurds should be a minority.
Why do the lands between Karabakh and Zangezur have Azeri culture?
During the rule of the Safavid dynasty, the local Armenian population was displaced in order to weaken the connection between the Armenians of Karabakh and the Armenians of Syunik, and in their place were brought Kurds who became Turkicized and today speak only Turkish.
Kurdish Republic of Lachin - Wikipedia
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Likewise, the lands controlled by the Kchahen should not have had an Azeri minority, as they appeared there with the establishment of the Karabakh Khanate.
Джеванширы — Википедия
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Ganja, Barda and Lemberan locations should not have Armenian culture as dominant, Armenians should be a minority in these locations dominant culture should be Azeri or Udi culture
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What is certain is that the dominant culture in Arran should be Azeri because after all, this culture is supposed to represent the local Turkmen and Mongols.
The Mughan area should also probably have Azeri culture as dominant and Adhari as minority. Talysh culture should be present on the Mughan coast.
And the Lezgian culture which is supposed to represent the Udi culture should expand a bit to the mountainous areas of Arran. Because there the local population survived the longest professing Orthodoxy and other branches of Christianity.
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Personally, I disagree with you. Yes, the Udins are the heirs of Caucasian Albania, but not the last and not the only ones. Any people from the Lezgin language family and the Khinalugs are descendants of Caucasian Albania.
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Yes I would definitely agree. When I speak of majority Mongol, I basically mean single locations of the best pastures where the Mongol tribes would have concentrated, with the surrounding locations predominantly made up of Turkic populations.
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I will say right away, so that no questions arise, I wrote separately about the Khinalig people only because some linguists classify them as a separate branch of languages