Pavia said: "'Wikipedia standard' (that means, either English or their current endonym)".
But I'll add asterisks with notes, will see what they'll do.
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Pavia said: "'Wikipedia standard' (that means, either English or their current endonym)".
But I'll add asterisks with notes, will see what they'll do.
Valuable feedback. There are few points I'd like to comment though.
I'm in favour of dropping additions "Wielkopolski", "Mazowiecki", "Podlaski" (for non-Polish speakers: those are adjectives indicating provinces the towns are located in, e.g. "Rawa Mazowiecka" = "Mazovian Rawa" = "Rawa in Mazovia") whenever possible, as most of them are modern additions and they take too much space, making the location names too small. The only case where, to avoid ambiguity, I would keep them is "Środa" - we have two of them on the map: one in Greater Poland ("Środa Wielkopolska"), the other one in Silesia ("Środa Śląska"). Ergo: I wouldn't change anything here. The current map is perfect in this regard.
Rawicz - you are right it should be renamed, however I find Gostyń to be the best choice, as it was definitely the most significant town in that part of the powiat (although it may require a slight redraw of the border, as shown below, as currently Gostyń lies few pixels north of the Śrem - Rawicz border). Since that border is not a border of a powiat, but an arbitral one, I would go for slight modification.
Buk - Lwówek was an intuitional choice for me too, but if you read more about it, you'll find that at the start of the game, up until at least end of 15th century, Buk played more significant role (Buk: town rights in 1289, Lwówek: 1414). Below I pasted an exempt from Codex Diplomaticus Majoris Poloniae (https://www.wbc.poznan.pl/dlibra/show-content/publication/edition/7827?id=7827) presenting number of armed soldiers towns in Wielkopolska, Sieradz Land and Łęczyca Land were obliged to assembly in 1458 as a relief force for the besieged Marienburg castle (which we may use as an indicator of towns' size, wealth and importance). Buk: 15, Lwówek (Lwów): 12.
Mstów - case similar to the one above. Old town (town rights since 1278), the most important settlement in the area at the start of the game, that over the course of the game lost its importance. I would keep it as it is, partially also because it lacks a strong competitor (yes, Olsztyn you menitoned was granted town rights in 15th century and grew to prominence in 16th/17th, but was destroyed, burned and at the beginning of 18th c. was mererly a rural settlement, thus similar to Mstów it's glory was only episodical).
Putzig - just a typo, I know. It's not "Płock", but "Puck" in Polish.
That location with small font is "Neuenburg in Westpreußen" ("Nowe" in Polish).
I'm in favour of dropping additions "Wielkopolski", "Mazowiecki", "Podlaski" (for non-Polish speakers: those are adjectives indicating provinces the towns are located in, e.g. "Rawa Mazowiecka" = "Mazovian Rawa" = "Rawa in Mazovia") whenever possible, as most of them are modern additions and they take too much space, making the location names too small. The only case where, to avoid ambiguity, I would keep them is "Środa" - we have two of them on the map: one in Greater Poland ("Środa Wielkopolska"), the other one in Silesia ("Środa Śląska"). Ergo: I wouldn't change anything here. The current map is perfect in this regard.
Rawicz - you are right it should be renamed, however I find Gostyń to be the best choice, as it was definitely the most significant town in that part of the powiat (although it may require a slight redraw of the border, as shown below, as currently Gostyń lies few pixels north of the Śrem - Rawicz border). Since that border is not a border of a powiat, but an arbitral one, I would go for slight modification.
Buk - Lwówek was an intuitional choice for me too, but if you read more about it, you'll find that at the start of the game, up until at least end of 15th century, Buk played more significant role (Buk: town rights in 1289, Lwówek: 1414). Below I pasted an exempt from Codex Diplomaticus Majoris Poloniae (https://www.wbc.poznan.pl/dlibra/show-content/publication/edition/7827?id=7827) presenting number of armed soldiers towns in Wielkopolska, Sieradz Land and Łęczyca Land were obliged to assembly in 1458 as a relief force for the besieged Marienburg castle (which we may use as an indicator of towns' size, wealth and importance). Buk: 15, Lwówek (Lwów): 12.
Mstów - case similar to the one above. Old town (town rights since 1278), the most important settlement in the area at the start of the game, that over the course of the game lost its importance. I would keep it as it is, partially also because it lacks a strong competitor (yes, Olsztyn you menitoned was granted town rights in 15th century and grew to prominence in 16th/17th, but was destroyed, burned and at the beginning of 18th c. was mererly a rural settlement, thus similar to Mstów it's glory was only episodical).
Putzig - just a typo, I know. It's not "Płock", but "Puck" in Polish.
That location with small font is "Neuenburg in Westpreußen" ("Nowe" in Polish).
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Thanks for your comments.
You're right about Środa, there's also Biała Rawska and Biała Podlaska. so these are fine, but also Bielsk Podlaski - is there any other Bielsk?
I thought about Gostyń, but I didn't want to ask them to redraw anything more, I was worried they'll just "rage quit" at this point
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I believe Masurians only came to be a while after the start of the game. During the settlement of South East Prussia during and after the 15th century.
I believe Masurians only came to be a while after the start of the game. During the settlement of South East Prussia during and after the 15th century.
On my own behalf, I would like to add that there is a "Marina Gorka" location near Minsk. it does exist there, but it will become an administrative center only under the Russian Empire. it would be more correct to name the location "Pukhavichy", after the name of the village, which is located nearby.
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I copied here my comment from reddit about this feedback:
Several after thoughts:
It's good that they didn't include Goral/Podlachian/Culm cultures. Although, Kuyavian could fit there geographically and also because the royal Piast's lineage of Poland comes from Kuyavia region.
I really like how Sudovian/Yotvingan is spread. Though, no single province should be majority Sudovian as around 50 years before pagans there got wiped out first by Polish Duke Leszek the Black & later by the Crossers. IRL this was a depopulated frontier between Lithuania/Crossers/Poland.
They could've add some significant Polish minority of 'Lesser Polish'' Culture in Ruthenian lands near Polish border as this region was heavily contested between Kyivan Rus and Poland. As shown on this map 996-1138. (so much contested that Poland on occasion occupied Kyiv 2 times)
I also like that 'western baltic' culture has been split up into Pruthenian/Curonian/Sudovian.
I thought my subtle way of making Greater/Lesser Polish cultures a White/Red coloured like Polish flag was cool
(Cool thing also for them to include Greater Polish culture in Chełm area. (Hope they'll add there Polish cores too) Poland later organized 2 court hearings led by the Pope in which Poland claimed that TO should return Danzig's Pommerania, Chełm(Culm) & Land of Michałów?) Ziemia Michałowska.
Not culture-like but Mazovian Dukes weren't vassals of Poland back in 1337 and it drives me a little insane because Pavia said they were. The western-most Mazovian Duchy of Płock was even a vassal of Bohemia but not Poland. Duke of Płock Bolesław III wrote in his will the ownership of his lands to Poland in 1348 and in 1351 he died leaving these lands to Poland. After that King of Poland met the rest of Mazovian dukes and cut a deal with them, making them all Poland's vassals. in 1351
Several after thoughts:
It's good that they didn't include Goral/Podlachian/Culm cultures. Although, Kuyavian could fit there geographically and also because the royal Piast's lineage of Poland comes from Kuyavia region.
I really like how Sudovian/Yotvingan is spread. Though, no single province should be majority Sudovian as around 50 years before pagans there got wiped out first by Polish Duke Leszek the Black & later by the Crossers. IRL this was a depopulated frontier between Lithuania/Crossers/Poland.
They could've add some significant Polish minority of 'Lesser Polish'' Culture in Ruthenian lands near Polish border as this region was heavily contested between Kyivan Rus and Poland. As shown on this map 996-1138. (so much contested that Poland on occasion occupied Kyiv 2 times)
I also like that 'western baltic' culture has been split up into Pruthenian/Curonian/Sudovian.
I thought my subtle way of making Greater/Lesser Polish cultures a White/Red coloured like Polish flag was cool
(Cool thing also for them to include Greater Polish culture in Chełm area. (Hope they'll add there Polish cores too) Poland later organized 2 court hearings led by the Pope in which Poland claimed that TO should return Danzig's Pommerania, Chełm(Culm) & Land of Michałów?) Ziemia Michałowska.
Not culture-like but Mazovian Dukes weren't vassals of Poland back in 1337 and it drives me a little insane because Pavia said they were. The western-most Mazovian Duchy of Płock was even a vassal of Bohemia but not Poland. Duke of Płock Bolesław III wrote in his will the ownership of his lands to Poland in 1348 and in 1351 he died leaving these lands to Poland. After that King of Poland met the rest of Mazovian dukes and cut a deal with them, making them all Poland's vassals. in 1351
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I think that in case of towns in "Recovered Territories" that were renamed after the war, the best course of action would be to pick the traditional Polish names that existed until the war and still linger in popular memory. (By "renaming after the war" I don't mean slight sound changes or translating German names into Polish, but outright creating brand new names, as was the case with Rychbach/Dzierżoniów or Łuczany/Giżycko.)
Also the name "Mazur" initially referred to Mazovians, and it would take the Reformation snd then Germanization to make a significant difference between Mazovian and Prussian Masurs
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Estonia is now a bit weird.
Though it kind of makes sense- North Estonia, that is currently under Danish rule, is using Estonian names and South Estonia, that is under Teutonic Order, is using German names.
Could I ask for list of both names, please?
Keinis, or Käina for Hiiumaa is bit incorrect. Hiiumaa consisted of three shire-like administrative units, Käina, Emmaste and Reigi. Though the dates are a bit unclear, but Keinis never meant all of Hiiumaa. Instead, i'd suggest to use the name of island for island- Hiiumaa in Estonian, Dagö in German/Swedish and Dagø in Danish.
In Saaremaa/Ösel, Arensburg/Kuressaare is ok. Though Kaarma/Karmelhof would kind of describe it better, mostly because Kuressaare/Arensburg wasn't a city yet and first written records of Arensburg castle are from 1381 and it got city rights as late as 1563. Wolde/Valjala is not, because it is located on the southern part of the island. Pöide/Poide would make more sense, mostly because Livonic order had castle there.
And what is St. Martin? Martna? Cause if so, it is located in territory of Hapsal. Instead, if this needs to be separate province, it should be Karuse/Karissen.
As for rest of the map, itk surprisingly accurate.
Just Wolmar is kind of sticking a bit too much into Estonian territory.
Though it kind of makes sense- North Estonia, that is currently under Danish rule, is using Estonian names and South Estonia, that is under Teutonic Order, is using German names.
Could I ask for list of both names, please?
Keinis, or Käina for Hiiumaa is bit incorrect. Hiiumaa consisted of three shire-like administrative units, Käina, Emmaste and Reigi. Though the dates are a bit unclear, but Keinis never meant all of Hiiumaa. Instead, i'd suggest to use the name of island for island- Hiiumaa in Estonian, Dagö in German/Swedish and Dagø in Danish.
In Saaremaa/Ösel, Arensburg/Kuressaare is ok. Though Kaarma/Karmelhof would kind of describe it better, mostly because Kuressaare/Arensburg wasn't a city yet and first written records of Arensburg castle are from 1381 and it got city rights as late as 1563. Wolde/Valjala is not, because it is located on the southern part of the island. Pöide/Poide would make more sense, mostly because Livonic order had castle there.
And what is St. Martin? Martna? Cause if so, it is located in territory of Hapsal. Instead, if this needs to be separate province, it should be Karuse/Karissen.
As for rest of the map, itk surprisingly accurate.
Just Wolmar is kind of sticking a bit too much into Estonian territory.
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@Pavía I want to clarify that I write this before knowing what the culture mechanics are like, so may opinion may change into the future;
I'm happy that you guys listen to our feedbacks and put effort in reserching various cultures but I really hope that you won't be using this type of mentality going forward since not all the regions in the world need to be as culturally diverse as western Europe, there are regions that need way more and regions that need way less of them i.e. just because France, Germany and Italy have 20 cultures each doesn't mean that England, Iberia and Scandinavia should have the same, like you sorta said for the loactions there are parts of the map that don't need that many subdivisions since they have a different set up and history and I say this considering I really like the cultural changes you have made for this region specially the division of the western baltic culture but like I've stated in my previous comments there are some cultures that for both historical and specially gameplay reasons could just be merged with others. Some of the slavic one like greater and lesser Polish should be just merged from the start since Poland has been a united kingdom(beside a few occasions) for more of 3 centuries by now, the Halychian and Volhynian could be merged into Galician-Volhynian(red) while Severian and Polesian could be just part of Ruthenian(blue) while the green one should be it's own culture which you guys seem to have called Smolenskian.
And that's my rant for the rest guys keep up the good work!
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Why do the lands of Skalava belong to the Samogitians? I think that the Samogitians did not live near the Nemunas, much less beyond the Nemunas... It would be better to give the territory of Ragnit, Tilsit and Pagėgiai to the Old Prussians or Aukštaitians
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how about renaming greater polish and lesser polish to Wielkopolak and Małopolak respectively?
edit: after being grammatical corrected i meant Wielkopolanin and Małopolanin
edit: after being grammatical corrected i meant Wielkopolanin and Małopolanin
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"A Streetcar Named Deisre" has taught me to never use "pollack" outside of Poland. And Russia, obviously.
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He's also Polish I think, based on his nickname and my interactions with him. Honestly I sometimes feel that half this forum is Poles. Ever since the TM for this feedback. It was a very coordinated and disciplined effort on the feedback though, big respect for that to all my Polish friends.
The population of Lithuania Minor is called "mažlietuviai" (mažas - little), this really does sound like an insult?
In Polish it's Małopolanie not Małopolak. The problem isn't with the name itself you know???
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Bruh "In the 10th century, the term "Polans" was virtually out of use, replaced by the name "Rus", with eastern Polans as a tribe being last mentioned in a chronicle of 944." from English Wikipedia...
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Makes you realize that Polish are the 2nd largest Slavic group in the world. We're 2nd but better..