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What does ”1/2 of Kopor’ye” mean exactly? How would that look on the map?
Short note: Przemysl near Moscow should be renamed - Peremyshl or similar. Add Moscowsky, to differentiate it from the other one perhaps? Przemysl is Polish.
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Peremyshl should be a dynamic name for Przemysl if owned by any East-Slavic culture (e.g. Halych at the start date), so adding Moskovsky or choosing another name are better options.
Maybe Troitsk?
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In game we have difference between modern Central and North Russia, and if Velikiy Novgorod unite Russia, will be very strange, that Russia... is not Russian.
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Troitsk may have the same problem: it's too common a name.
Funnily enough, Krasnaya Pakhra could be a rather unique name because it has nothing to do with communists.
Actually, if we call this location MOLODI then we could have Battle of Molodi. It's next to Serpukhov on Tinto Map, and it's a bit closer to Serpukhov than either Troitsk or Peremyshl IRL.
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This seems like the most sensible and realistic solution
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It’s a man-made reservoir, the Rybinsk Reservoir.
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I will write my comments on the maps.
1. The Russian language is not divided into Novgorodian and Russian dialects but into Northern and Central dialects of the Russian language. Therefore, it is correct to write "Northern Russian" and "Central Russian."
Names for dialects
2. The Ruthenian language spread far to the east. This happened in the 16th century when Orthodox Christians in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth faced persecution, and many moved east to the Russian Tsardom. Back in the 14th century, the Ruthenian language was spoken further west. There’s also a debate about Ukrainian and Belarusian dialects because both Ukraine and Belarus consider this a single language but argue over the name, calling it either Old Ukrainian or Old Belarusian, and denying that it had dialects.
Real border between Ruthenian and Russian in 14 century.
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3. Regarding the Ruthenian language, this name might suit Western Europe, but it is a Latin exonym (a name used in a foreign language that differs from the native term). In Russian, this language is called "Western Russian" because it shares many features with the Russian language. Ukraine and Belarus argue about its name, calling it either Old Ukrainian or Old Belarusian. In the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, it was referred to as "Lithuanian-Russian," and in Poland as "Ruski" (with one "s," Język ruski).
Here’s a comparison of how the names of the Western Russian/Ruthenian/Lithuanian-Russian, Old Russian (14th century, referred to as "Russian" in the game), modern Russian, Ukrainian, and Belarusian languages were written in their respective eras:
Source: "Ruthenia (Lithuania-Rus), in Europe: A Literary History, 1348—1418." Edited by David Wallace. Oxford University Press, 2016, Volume 2.
4. Again, on the topic of exonyms and endonyms, the term "Moscovy" is another Polish exonym derived from the Latin "Moscovia," which has no connection to the name used by the local population. The state was called "The Grand Duchy of Moscow", so it would be preferable to see this name.
You correctly use the name for Poland but could have also used the exonym "Varsovia" (from Warsaw) for Poland, as it was called in Western Europe, or "Kiovia" for Kyiv. Similarly, you use "Moskva" on the markets map, which is already the Russian name and not "Moscovy."
Therefore, it would be accurate to use "Grand Duchy of Moscow," and the people should be referred to as "Moscowians," not "Moscovites."
5. Province and country names appear to be unfinished dynamic names. For example, provinces in modern-day Ukraine have modern Ukrainian names and spellings that only appeared in the 18th century, while the map is set in the 14th century. Additionally, some province names are written in Russian or Belarusian. For instance, the province "Mstsislaw" is written in Belarusian, while the country is named "Mstislavl" in Russian. The name "Mstsislaw" appeared in the 15th–16th centuries after these territories were annexed by the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. This suggests that the naming conventions do not align with the historical period depicted on the map.
1. The Russian language is not divided into Novgorodian and Russian dialects but into Northern and Central dialects of the Russian language. Therefore, it is correct to write "Northern Russian" and "Central Russian."
Names for dialects
2. The Ruthenian language spread far to the east. This happened in the 16th century when Orthodox Christians in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth faced persecution, and many moved east to the Russian Tsardom. Back in the 14th century, the Ruthenian language was spoken further west. There’s also a debate about Ukrainian and Belarusian dialects because both Ukraine and Belarus consider this a single language but argue over the name, calling it either Old Ukrainian or Old Belarusian, and denying that it had dialects.
Real border between Ruthenian and Russian in 14 century.
3. Regarding the Ruthenian language, this name might suit Western Europe, but it is a Latin exonym (a name used in a foreign language that differs from the native term). In Russian, this language is called "Western Russian" because it shares many features with the Russian language. Ukraine and Belarus argue about its name, calling it either Old Ukrainian or Old Belarusian. In the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, it was referred to as "Lithuanian-Russian," and in Poland as "Ruski" (with one "s," Język ruski).
Here’s a comparison of how the names of the Western Russian/Ruthenian/Lithuanian-Russian, Old Russian (14th century, referred to as "Russian" in the game), modern Russian, Ukrainian, and Belarusian languages were written in their respective eras:
- "рꙋскй ѧзыкь" (Western Russian/Ruthenian/Lithuanian-Russian)
- "рѹсьскъ ꙗзыкъ" (Old Russian in the 14th century)
- "русский язык" (Modern Russian)
- "українська мова" (Ukrainian)
- "білоруська мова" (Belarusian)
Source: "Ruthenia (Lithuania-Rus), in Europe: A Literary History, 1348—1418." Edited by David Wallace. Oxford University Press, 2016, Volume 2.
4. Again, on the topic of exonyms and endonyms, the term "Moscovy" is another Polish exonym derived from the Latin "Moscovia," which has no connection to the name used by the local population. The state was called "The Grand Duchy of Moscow", so it would be preferable to see this name.
You correctly use the name for Poland but could have also used the exonym "Varsovia" (from Warsaw) for Poland, as it was called in Western Europe, or "Kiovia" for Kyiv. Similarly, you use "Moskva" on the markets map, which is already the Russian name and not "Moscovy."
Therefore, it would be accurate to use "Grand Duchy of Moscow," and the people should be referred to as "Moscowians," not "Moscovites."
5. Province and country names appear to be unfinished dynamic names. For example, provinces in modern-day Ukraine have modern Ukrainian names and spellings that only appeared in the 18th century, while the map is set in the 14th century. Additionally, some province names are written in Russian or Belarusian. For instance, the province "Mstsislaw" is written in Belarusian, while the country is named "Mstislavl" in Russian. The name "Mstsislaw" appeared in the 15th–16th centuries after these territories were annexed by the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. This suggests that the naming conventions do not align with the historical period depicted on the map.
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As for me it is weird that Russian principalities do not have Russian culture.
If the game has a mechanic that allows changing the culture of provinces after the formation of a country, then nothing prevents converting provinces with Novgorod culture to Russian culture when creating Russia.
Also this cultural difference between Central and North Russia is debatable. The Novgorodians considered Novgorod one of the Russian cities. This is documented in the treaty between Novgorod and the Gotlandic and German merchants (13th century). Qoute:
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Not in Project Caesar. The oft-quoted example is the fragmentation of the French nation.
So, at the end of the day, the question is not "do cultural differences among Russians warrant separate cultures?" The question is "what cultural groupings can we have and name at such granular level of detail".
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Bjarmland was a Norse name for those lands. They didn’t distinguish which language those people spoke. And it is still debated where that Bjarmia was located. However we do currently have Komi people living near (Permian language) so I do not see why the distinction Komi/Bjarmian should be even made.
And BTW: Chude refer to Finnic speakers (Estonians for example) not Permic speakers.
As I have outlined before. Slavic languages has a word Varyagi to describe people of Norse background. I saw some historians that argue that Varyagi are Sweeds from specifically Finland. So should we make a culture based on that? I think here is the same thing.
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Toponyms and cultural closeness with Vepsians indicates that Bjarmians were Balto-Finnic speakers and not Permians, and Komi had a distinct archaeological culture separate from them with a lot of typical characteristics not found in Zavolochye Chud'. That Vepsian area is on the Mezen, which was and still is Komi.
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I understand that the developers divided the Russian culture for gameplay and balance reasons.
But I can't understand why they chose such terrible names.
Since the division of Russian culture is purely artificial, it makes sense to use geographical distinctions for the names:
- Northern Russian culture
- Central Russian culture
- Southern Russian culture
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Estonian, Livonian and finnish-karelian languages are all in same one dialect, but Ukrainian and Russian are difference languages? I don't think Eastslav-languages are so differences (not even year 2024). Finnic languages should split in three dialects: finnish, estonian and livonian. And still Aunus is russian culture and languages this new version. It should be karelian culture and finnic dialect this time. Aunus was almost 100 % karelian even in Stalin era.
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