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I love how the Moldovan land setup has been reworked!

BYZ and NAP colors are too similar, confusing at first glance their vassals and stuff.
 
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Is Achaea ruled by Catherine II? In that case Cephalonia(which I assume is ruled by her son Robert II) should be a direct vassal of Achea which should be vassal of Naples
 
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Please devs can you change the colour between Aromanian and Albanian. It is legitimately impossible to tell who is what in wich province except for the really obvious ones. I still couldnt tell you what is aromanian and what is albanian outside of the obvious examples like provinces directly bordering albanian culture.
 
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The province of Lika should be called "Lika and Kvarner". The islands of Krk and Pag as well as Rijeka and Crikvenica were never a part of Lika as a region.
 
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Good afternoon. Albeit not being in the TM, I would suggest (I already did in Language TT and other people did the same suggestions too) to consider the liturgical language of Croatia being slavonic even though they're catholics: indeed, there was a privilege for croatian church to use slavonic instead of latin in Offices, and a galogolitic missal was even printed in the early 1400. It was the only western church to use local language before the II Vatican.

PS: glad to see that you have implemented my suggestions from the Italy feedback thread!
 
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@Pavía It doesn't seem you guys implemented the list of Venetian/Genoese location names in which I also found some informations(taken mainly by communal and state archives) regarding the ownership of certain cities,trading posts, forts etc... I posted, did it not go through or are you still reviewing it?
 
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@Pavía A quick glance at Thrace still shows Metrai as a location-name, even though Sergentze is the better option (Metrai is located within Selymbria):
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Link to the original suggestion with some more depth/explanation:

I hope you guys also take another look at this list:
As I can still see Corfu as Venetian, even though it and Bouthroton should be controlled by the Anjous, among other things. Like Ándros which should be under control of Naxos, and Leukas and Vonitsa which should be controlled by the Duke of Brienne.

I'm a bit gleeful to see quite a few things I and others suggested! So, besides some details, an amazing job!
 
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matfer13 said:
Good job with this review, as usual I have prepared some questions:

1-Are there gonna be events regarding the rise and fall of the Serbian Empire?
2-What's the 3 Venetian colonies' primary culture, Venetian or Greek?
3-Considering how many catholic tags are still present in 1337 is there something to rapresent the "will" of the crusader states to restore the Latin Empire(and maybe the kingdom of Thessalonica) like a situation or an IO? After all there was still a titular empress with a claim to the throne(Catherine II of Valois-Courtenay).
4-Does the Byzantine empire start with the embraced meritocracy institution since historically they had a very beaurocratic administration similar to the Chinese?
5-Is bulgaria considered a Kingdom or an empire tier tag at the start since the country is know to this day as the second Bulgarian Empire and their ruler is a Tsar which comes from the word Caesar and was used to refer as someone on the same level of a Roman Emperor?
6-Do Orthodox tags need to "have" an autunomous patriarch to elevate themselves to the rank of Empire? If not then it should probably be so since that's basically what Serbian, Bulgarian and Russian rulers did to gain the authority to become Tsars and it also has to do with both Catholic and Orthidox theologies, which say that the only Christian empire in the world should be Rome(Hre for catholics and Byzanthium for Orthodox under the Ecumeniacal patriarchate), both the Bulgarians and Serbs had to break away from Constantinople and Byzanthium to declare themselves emperors while Moscow declared itself third Rome after the fall in 1453
7-Does the count of Salona Alfonso Fradique start with ownership of the location of Malta? He was count of Malta in 1337 which unlike Salona(which was under direct vassalage of Athens) made him a direct vassal of the King of Sicily, so it would be more accurate to have Malta as a tag from the start in a P.U. with Salona especially considering he's an illegitimate son of the King making the situation quite interesting.

One last thing could you post the current flags of the tags in this region please? I was thinking of making a thread about the most appropriate ones for the time period since I doubt there's going to be a "tinto flags" any time soon!
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1. Yes.
2. Greek
3. We're mostly focusing on historical content, so not really. The Knights have content on their own, but it's most focused on their 'crusading lifestyle'.
4. No, as we're currently considering Meritocracy the Chinese style of bureaucracy, not the different types of Western, Islamic, etc., ones.
5. Kingdom. Yes, the word 'Tsar' comes as a mimic of the Roman 'Caesar'; however, we only have two empires in Europe by 1337 - the Eastern Roman, and the Holy Roman.
6. There are some mechanics related to Autocephalous Patriarchates, which we'll talk about in due time.
7. No, taking note of it.
8. A bit too early, but we'll take it into account!
 
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Please consider giving specific examples, so we can double-check if they're fit.
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This is a map of medieval Bosnia made by one of our medievalists. The names that could be changed to be more accurate to the period are (and you can verify this on the map):

Livno --> Hlivno
Glamoč --> Dlamoč
Konjic --> Neretva (first mentioned as Konjic in 1382 though, so it is not that much of an anachronism)
Doboj --> Dobojgrad

Mostar is perhaps the most incorrect of these to use as a province name in 1337, as the city only increased in prominence during Ottoman times. The name could perhaps change by event in the mid 1400s, but until then it should be called Blagaj, which was a historically important town located near Mostar, and the seat of powerful nobles.

Thanks again for all your work so far!
 
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Thank you for the new maps and feedback thread! I have one small complaint - why is Metković part of the Hum area? It doesn't really fit that area besides being an area that Bosnia held at that point in the game. While I can understand that you don't want necessarily want to have states own parts of areas and instead all areas under a state be consolidated where possible, but it really doesn't work like that geographically or politically here. It should be part of Southern Dalmatia area instead!

Another thing, could you post the resources/materials map mode? There are a few things worth checking there after all.

As someone else already suggested here, please do make Croatia's liturgical language to be (Church)Slavonic, it was the special exception (I've made a post in the feedback thread on that a while ago with sources, if you need them again I can link them). Also, just like in Hungary, court language should be Latin (I've talked about it in the same post with sources I believe).
 
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