Mostar should definitely be replaced by Blagaj at this point in time, as it wouldn't become relevant until into the Ottoman era.
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We were show in TT#36 that culture groups can have a unique description added to them, is the same possible for the individual cultures inside of a group?
Reading through this thread made me realise that all those hours typing away for the Persia and Caucasus feedback was worth it
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This is something we've put our eyes upon... Any suggestions for a Naples color change?
(Because if we propose to change the color of BYZ, I'm pretty sure that some byzantophiles will love to blind and castrate us...)
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Is it intentional that Aranyosbanya doesn't have its gold-mines? And that Szék doesn't have th Szék-saltmines? I see a lot of the mining towns in Hungary got their correct tradegoods, so I'm very happy with those, but the two I mentioned feel a bit... arbitrary not to have them?
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I can find a little town in Turkey : Susurluk (south west of Bursa). My family come from there and i m happy ^^
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I think a blue hue would represent the French heritage of Naples the best, while not insulting the imperial purple.
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if not purple, for Naples you could go Red. Its coat of arms is red and gold anyways. If both look bad you could try with a light blue I guess? It's the colour naples is nowdays most associated to
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I know dev time is limited, and alt hist is probably not the most important things to develop, so it may be more fit for a DLC. But I'd still love to see content (and interesting content) for some common "alt hist" scenariis. (off the top of my head, and staying in Europe / near Europe), though I'm sure other continents will have their favourite alt hist scenariis they'd love to see) :
- Reestablishment of the latin empires
- Re reconquista
- unification of catholicism and orthodoxy (in one direction or the other, bonus point with prtestantisme possibilities)
- unification of French and british crowns in HYW (or, for extremely successful players, establishment of a universal european monarchy)
these kind of things. Maybe achievement could be a good tool to track what is more or less "DLC worthy", but alt hist is part of the interest of paradox to me, and the level of detail PC seems to have would make it EXTREMELY interesting to play imo.
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Could you release a map of 'building' ports owned by Venice/Genoa in the region? If such map mode exists that is.
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All provinces adjusted to the Carpathians should definitely have some sort of Vlachian presence. Like Bolekhiv settlement in Halychia, which is connected to Vlachs, Volosski Mezirici in Moravia, all evidence suggests that the Carpathians were filled with small Vlach communities at this time.
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Cetatea Tetina is basically a castle located within the Cernauti location; It's just too closeby. I still suggest renaming it to Onut, or something else within its limits.
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Whilst I do think including a Bosnian culture is the correct decision, I don't agree with having any Bosnian pops within the current Serbian borders. Bosnia was still expanding and consolidating during this time, and while it would eventually include the Podrinje and all of Zeta, by this point in time they would be strongly Orthodox and had never been ruled by a Bosnian polity. I would even argue that Serbs make up the majority of Zeta, given that it had only been conquered in 1326, less than 10 years prior to the start date.
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Not really a good flavor name for it, we're open to suggestions, yes.
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Why is the city of the Golden Horde called Shehr al-Jadid (Romanian: Şehr al-Djedid) no longer a part of the Golden Horde? Neither does it have a Tatar majority?
Archaeological finds — kilns to produce pottery and furnaces to puddle iron ore — identify towns that were important economic centres of the Golden Horde. At Orheiul Vechi, the ruins of a mosque and a bath were also excavated. The local inhabitants used high-quality ceramics (amphorae-like vessels, pitchers, mugs, jars and pots), similar to those found in other parts of the Golden Horde. The Mongols supported international commerce, which led to the formation of a "Mongol road" from Kraków along the Dniester. Almost 5000 Mongol coins from the first half of the 14th century have been excavated in the same region. At the mouth of the Dniester, Cetatea Albă (now Bilhorod-Dnistrovskyi in Ukraine) developed into an important emporium.
It even minted currency later that time
this Tatar city is believed to have been established toward the end of the 13th century on the rocky banks of the Răut River. Between 1363–65, Orheiul Vechi served as the residence of the future leader of the Horde, Khan Abdullah (1367–68).
According to: Gheorghe Postică, Orheiul Vechi. Cerecetări arheologice (1996–2001), Iași, Editura Universitășii A.I. Cuza, 2006, p. 56
This source claims that Golden Horde has colonised this area by bringing people, to manufacture goods there. Claims the city fell when the Tatars were defeated
Wikipedia says:
The city was destroyed only after the Mongols had abandoned the Prut-Dniestrian region in 1369
There was a presence of Islam and Mosque was constructed
taken from a tourist guide:
the data provided by @CocoBZ
Here is the research of the Golden Horde city near Costești village in Ialoveni District (Near Chișinău)
Map of where those cities are located
here is a selection from my previous source
all those dots with half white and half black indicate settlements by the Golden Horde
It even minted currency later that time
this Tatar city is believed to have been established toward the end of the 13th century on the rocky banks of the Răut River. Between 1363–65, Orheiul Vechi served as the residence of the future leader of the Horde, Khan Abdullah (1367–68).
According to: Gheorghe Postică, Orheiul Vechi. Cerecetări arheologice (1996–2001), Iași, Editura Universitășii A.I. Cuza, 2006, p. 56
This source claims that Golden Horde has colonised this area by bringing people, to manufacture goods there. Claims the city fell when the Tatars were defeated
Wikipedia says:
The city was destroyed only after the Mongols had abandoned the Prut-Dniestrian region in 1369
There was a presence of Islam and Mosque was constructed
taken from a tourist guide:
the data provided by @CocoBZ
Here is the research of the Golden Horde city near Costești village in Ialoveni District (Near Chișinău)
Map of where those cities are located
here is a selection from my previous source
all those dots with half white and half black indicate settlements by the Golden Horde
I propose a new location called Yanghi Shehr or Shehr al-Jadid, which will include those Golden Horde settlements and the city itself
or like this to keep Orhei
Making an alternative name for Orhei or Tuzara will move the border too deep into independent duchies. An alternative name for Chisinau can work, but the city is too far from the location. That's why I think creating a new location or extending the Chisinau location upwards is better.
The other city of the Golden Horde is named: Ак-Либо Aq-Libo or Moncastro. It should have both Italian and Turkic populations. In the 13th century, the site was controlled by the Cumans and became a center of Genoese commercial activity from c. 1290 on. In the early 14th century, by the middle of the century it was a Genoese colony
Vicina - was a town on the Danube used as a trading post by the Republic of Genoa. In the 12th century, the Arab geographer al-Idrīsī called the town Disina. At the end of the 14th century, Vicina was under Byzantine control, and according to a document from 1337-1338, it was ruled by "infamous heathens", presumably Mongols, Turks or Tatars. Portolan charts place this city right after Drinago (which is assumed to be modern Brăila), south of the Danube. Based on this, many historians identified it with Isaccea
source: Rădvan, Laurențiu. At Europe's Borders: Medieval Towns in the Romanian Principalities, Brill, 2010
Issacea
I want to claim that there are no sources that say there was the presence of Moldavians/Romanians in Budjak/Bessarabia
There were also no villages of Romanian or Slavic origin in Budjak/Bessarabia
All the knowledge we have is:
Brodnici has populated this area. It is highly debated whether they were Slavic or Turkic people or a mix of both. Berladnici is considered East Brodnics
In 1216 they were in the service of the knyaz of Suzdal.
In 1222, the Hungarian king Andrew II gave the Burzenland to the Teutonic Knights, delimiting it by the land of the Brodnici. A Papal bull of Pope Honorius III confirmed the charter in the same year; however, in the copy approved by the Vatican, "Brodnicorum" was replaced by "Blacorum" (i.e., "Vlachs" in Latin). While some historians believe that this shows that the terms were equivalent, others claim that this was just an error. The latter base their claim on the fact that the two terms were used together in several Hungarian documents, very unusual if referring to the same population.
The Novgorod First Chronicle says that in 1223 the Brodnici took part in the Battle of Kalka on the side of Mongols ("Tatars").
When speaking about Brodniks, the Chronicle mentions voivode Ploskynya (the name of the voivode is sometimes rendered as Ploscânea in Romanian historiography) who deceived knyaz Mstislav Romanovich and delivered him to "Tatars". Some researchers conclude that Ploskynya was the Brodnik commander. According to some researchers, the Chronicle should be interpreted as "And there Brodniks were with Tatars, and their Voivod Ploskynya [...]". However others disagree, considering that the source should be translated as "And there Brodniks were with Tatars, and Voivod Ploskynya, [...]". After this date, they disappeared from Russian sources.
In August 1227 Pope Gregory IX wrote a letter to the bishop of Esztergom instructing him to convert to Christianity "in Cumania et Bordinia terra illis vicina".
A November 11, 1250 letter of King Béla IV of Hungary to Pope Innocent IV says that Tatars imposed tribute onto the countries neighbouring his kingdom: "que ex parte Orientis cum regno nostro conterminantur, sicut Ruscia, Cumania, Brodnici, Bulgaria".
Nomadic populations do not build cities. It is the definition of being nomadic. This is why I think those areas should be majority Turkic populated
From this paper
We can see that there are Kurgans of nomadic Turkic populations there. From both the Golden Horde and Pechenegs/Cumans/Kipchaks. Which can indicate a sizeable presence of the nomad Tatars there. More developed areas like the entire Volga River and, in our case, around Shehr al-Jadid did not have them.
This is why I propose the border for the majority Turkic population provinces like this. Straight on the border where villages were not founded at all
On the sidenote
It is too early for the Nogai population! I think they have not lived here before the split of the Nogai Horde in 1557 into the Lesser Nogai Horde (in Crimea) and the Greater Nogai Horde. I think its better to make them Crimean.
However, I see where it comes from
Wikipedia about Isaccea says:
the land was settled by Nogai Khan and Nogai Tatars in this context means Tatars that were under the control of Nogai (who controlled the entire Golden Horde). So at that time, all Tatars were Nogai Tatars.
It should be Crimean Tatars or some new culture because they are connected with Nogay Tatars of Kazakhstan only by their name.
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