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5. Kingdom. Yes, the word 'Tsar' comes as a mimic of the Roman 'Caesar'; however, we only have two empires in Europe by 1337 - the Eastern Roman, and the Holy Roman.
I know it's Tinto maps feedback, and not TT about game mechanics and stuff, but, since you mentioned it, I have a question/proposal regarding this, and government ranks in game (maybe I mentioned it already earlier, not sure):
Did you think about mechanic needing sort of "international recognition" to upgrade your rank, besides population and other conditions (I forgot what are others to be frank) needed?
It would be somewhat historical, and would give interesting game options, if we would have to be on great terms with pope, or Byzantine emperor, as Epirus or Albania, to become true kingdom. That way, player would have to chose their actions strategically, especially when starting as a minor tag.
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Please devs can you change the colour between Aromanian and Albanian. It is legitimately impossible to tell who is what in wich province except for the really obvious ones. I still couldnt tell you what is aromanian and what is albanian outside of the obvious examples like provinces directly bordering albanian culture.
I think that Rusyn culture should be restored. They were a unique culture on the border of the broadly understood Ukrainian, Slovak and Romanian cultures groups.
Achaea is ruled by Catherine II, and Cephalonia by his son, Robert II, indeed. While Achaea is a subject of Naples, we haven't made Cephalonia the subject of anyone, I'll double-check, and make a hotfix, if that's the case, thanks for noting!
a. The Tatars in Budjak should probably be Crimean rather than Nogai.
(Or at least, there shouldn't be a Nogai-Crimean division along the Dniester)
"Nogai" in the Budjak does refer to, among at least two other groups that probably originated from the same clan led by Nogai Khan, Tatars that lived in Budjak, Yedisan, and other parts of southern Ukraine. They were "settled" there by Nogai Khan at some point between 1240 and 1300 and in 1337 are basically the same Nogais as those living north of the Caucasus. However, I don't think the Budjak, Yedisan, Yedishkul, etc, Nogais should be represented as Nogai for several reasons. They would end up having no links to the other two groups (Nogai Horde and Dagestan-Stavropol Nogais) after 1337 and they are geographically pretty distant - but more importantly, the Nogais of Yedisan, who are the directly adjacent and the same people are represented as Crimean. I therefore think that the "Nogais" of Budjak should actually be Crimean culture.
It also makes no sense to have a Nogai-Crimean split along the Dniester in 1337 because the Nogais east and west of it were "settled" as a single group, and the boundary along the Dniester only arose in the late 1300s as Moldavia pushed south into the lands that Golden Horde withdrew from.
An alternative solution might be to have an "Eastern Nogai" culture between Dagestan and Kazakhstan and a "Western Nogai" culture in Budjak and Yedisan. I'm not sure that this is a good idea, though, as the Nogais of Yedisan would form much of the population of the Crimean Khanate, whose Crimean culture is, imo, similar enough that the "Western Nogai" should just be Crimean (also, modern Crimean Tatar language has several dialects, of which at least one was influenced by Nogai). I think it would still be a better solution than a single far-flung Nogai culture that transitions into Crimean along the Dniester as it does now.
Edit: another solution that I think might work even better is to have Nogai culture split into 2-3 groups later on in the game. On the other hand, that might be too deterministic of an approach...
b. Outside of cities, the Budjak was mostly Tatar, not Moldovan, in 1337.
This would not change until sometime between 1360-1370 (exact year is hard to pinpoint). Moldavian settlement of the region would not begin until then, and even then it would be limited to coastal cities; the steppes further inland would stay inhabited by Tatars until 1812. In fact, I'd be hesitant to put any Moldavians at all in the Budjak except in Tighina, Reni, Ismail, and maybe Cetatea Alba.
c. Cetatea Alba should be mostly Tatar and Bulgarian, with a splattering of other minorities.
According to articles linked below, Cetatea Alba was part Muslim, part Christian in the early 1300s, and ruled by Muslim authorities despite being owned by the Genoese. There is also the previous history of the town to consider - it was variously owned, controlled, or claimed by Byzantium, Halych, Genoa, Bulgaria, and nomad groups; however, of these, Bulgaria and the Golden Horde are the most recent. I would represent this by having the Christian population be mostly Bulgarian with some Greeks, Halychians, and Genoese, while the Muslim population would be mostly Crimean. It is also possible, though far from certain, that there were Romanians in the town, as there were heavy links between Bulgarians and Romanians at the time (with occasional suzerainty and intermixing, especially around nearby Dobruja). Additionally, there were some Armenians that moved there after the fall of Ani in the 11th century, and possibly a few Jews since Ukrainian wikipedia mentions "moneylenders and usurers" without specifying whether they were Jewish or Genoese. Overall, I'd have: A Tatar plurality or narrow majority, a large Bulgarian minority, a few Halychians, a few Greeks, a few Armenians, possibly a few Genoese, possibly a few Jews, and possibly a few Moldavians.
Also, this not really a demographic comment, but figured I'd stick it in - Cetatea Alba uses the Romanian name, it should be Aq Kirman, Aqkermen, or Akkirmәn in Tatar.
and d. I think Moldavian is a better name for the culture than Moldovan.
1. According to Ukrainian wikipedia, Cetatea Alba (Bilhorod-Dnistrovskyi) was not settled by Moldavians until after 1362.
2. There is this excerpt from Polevoi, which says that Golden Horde settlement stopped in the 1360s:
3. Bulgarian accounts of Cetatea Alba's population based on a translation of Abulfida:
Культовое сооружение Святой великомученик Иоанн Новый или Сочавский — небесный покровитель Молдавии и покровитель торговли. День его памяти по светскому календарю — 15 июня. Живший в XIV веке, он был благочестивым православным христианином. Купец по роду деятельности, святой Иоанн много путешествовал и слыл очень богатым человеком. При этом он строго соблюдал деловой этикет в торговле. […]
I think that Rusyn culture should be restored. They were a unique culture on the border of the broadly understood Ukrainian, Slovak and Romanian cultures groups.
The Gorals have a similarly unique culture. Borderland of Slovak, Silesian and Lesser Polish cultures along with the influential Wallachian settlement.
I'm a bit reluctant, as we have a lot of balancing work yet to be done, so asking for feedback at this stage won't really be that useful. But we're looking forward to sharing those maps later on, yes!
Regarding the Areas for Croatia and south Hunagry I think it would be better to modifiy and rename them to fit more with the centuries to come, by changing and renaming South Alföld to Vojvodina and Banat(or just Vojvodina) and the Croatian coastline that was controlled by Venice untile the Napoleonic wars to Dalamatia while Slavonia and the Lika province to Croatia(or just Slavonia)
I think that Rusyn culture should be restored. They were a unique culture on the border of the broadly understood Ukrainian, Slovak and Romanian cultures groups.
We received a ton of feedback in the main post to consider the Rusyn as the modern Ruthenian inhabitants of the southern side of the Carpathians, something that we've considered. The question here is if they should already be considered distinct in 1337, which is kind of doubtful.
We received a ton of feedback in the main post to consider the Rusyn as the modern Ruthenian inhabitants of the southern side of the Carpathians, something that we've considered. The question here is if they should already be considered distinct in 1337, which is kind of doubtful.
I suspect the problem is that there are two different groups that could be considered Rusyn - the original inhabitants, who are believed to largely be remnants of White Croats, and the new inhabitants that migrated there in the 1400s, who would indeed be closer to Halychian. It's a difficult situation to represent in 1337, though.
if not purple, for Naples you could go Red. Its coat of arms is red and gold anyways. If both look bad you could try with a light blue I guess? It's the colour naples is nowdays most associated to
I would think a deeper and more Blue-ish Purple to align more closely with the D'Anjou House that the Kingdom of Naples' Flag is based on would look quite good!
I mean, you could go for a darker, more imperial purple for the Unholy Roman Empire, but if we're talking Naples, I think a France-like, dark blue might work? They're ruled by the Anjous then, after all.
I would first change BYZ to a much darker purple personally. Like the shade of Menteseids
I was thinking you could go pale purple for Naples, but the colour i was thinking about was basically what Milan is now, so that wont work.
Alternatively would be more vivid purple or go for a more bluish like a darker version of Milan just blue instead of purple.
Rhodes and Crete (probably rethymno) should have spices, given that saffron was likely domesticated in Greece and has remained in continuous cultivation.
Rhodes was a well known source of saffron supplying Genoa and Venice both--especially during the Black Death.
Similarly, the Venetians got saffron from Crete, with saffron particualrly known to grow in the nida plateau in Rethymno
Whilst I do think including a Bosnian culture is the correct decision, I don't agree with having any Bosnian pops within the current Serbian borders. Bosnia was still expanding and consolidating during this time, and while it would eventually include the Podrinje and all of Zeta, by this point in time they would be strongly Orthodox and had never been ruled by a Bosnian polity. I would even argue that Serbs make up the majority of Zeta, given that it had only been conquered in 1326, less than 10 years prior to the start date.
Dunno which of the colours is the nation colour. But the darker blue which makes up the border/coastline "darker highlight" is imho pretty good if naples is blue. would still make BYZ a lot darker.
Not married to this specific shade(though I do like it, I think tweaking would be perfectly reasonable) but I definitely think it's a step in the right direction, if only because it makes the division between the Napolitan and Byzantine territories much more distinct and easy to tell apart, especially for someone unfamiliar with the region(IE me, I wan't sure if Albania was supposed to be Byzantine or Naples aligned at first).