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A toponymic study has been provided for the cities in the 14th century. They were dated by the author. It directly shows the trend of the population in Northern Bukovina in the XIVth century to name new villages with Slavic roots and rules, and in Moldavian proper with Romanian roots and rules. For more details please refer to my breakdowns of it here and highly detailed here. Every major map has a date assigned to it.

As I have outlined multiple times, the paper directly calculates the time of the foundation of every city.
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here is an example directly from the source. The first column is the name, the second column is the first mention, and the third column is the presumed foundation date. The author has been operating with them to eliminate cities that were outside of the scope.

because of that, I believe the temporal issue does not relate to toponymic study. Villages number has drastically increased, and the respective regions remained with their linguistic descriptions
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maps of the 14th and 15th centuries for comparison. The amount of Slavic names for villages only increased in the area of Northern Bukovina. This can be attributed to the Slavic speakers who founded those villages between the 14th and 15th centuries. This indicated that they were a sizeable majority.

Archaeological research provided here beautifully fills this gap.
It only supports the current claim that those cities were Ruthenian.
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This study shows Slavic cities in the X - XIII centuries.

They were Slavic because of building constructions, coins, armour, pottery, instruments, and documents that were found on those spots. As you can see only Bukovina and Dniestr are indicated to have them (regions under question).

In the end, both archaeological and toponymic evidence suggests that there has been a lot of Slavic speakers.
I had seen both of those posts when I made the previous reply. The date of founding is an estimation made by the author in 3 steps. He estimates roughly 100-150 years between the founding date and the first mention. The 3rd column is his estimation but is the 2nd column the time of the first mention of the village as "village, where Negesh lives", "village, where the house of Pitik is" or the first name of the village's actual name? as according to the method there are 3 steps: first "that village", then name of the founder and then name of the village. But I only see 1 column of first mention.

But regardless of the accuracy of this estimation, my issues with the toponymic study remain unaddressed.

How does this explain away the possibility that part of those toponyms of Slavic origin were actually toponyms of Romanian origin derived from Slavic? As I understand, this toponyms study doesn't make the Slavic origin <-> Romanian origin derived from Slavic distinction.

Which means that part of them may actually be toponyms of Romanian origin derived from Slavic. And if the correlation from the hydronyms study also applies here, namely that in regions with a higher amount of Slavic hydronyms (thus of Slavs) is a higher amount of Romanian hydronyms derived from slavic loanwords. Meaning, living next to the Slavs would lead to more slavic loanwords being used by Romanians. This is not merely translation as translation into Romanian is not a criteria for becoming RD or RSL.

Additionally, the second issue, how do we know that a village, city or fort with a slavic name is still inhabited by slavs in 1337? because people can inhabit localities with names which hold no meaning for them.

Regarding the archaeological evidence, X-XIII centuries is exactly the transition period when the Vlachs started to come in waves, so naturally there would be evidence of Slavic presence there. But this evidence shows presence, but does it shows majority in 1337? because we the reason we kept talking for 20 pages was whether there were more Romanians or Ruthenians in Northern Moldavia, for me it's the Vlach voivodships.

And yet again, I do find it hard to believe that there was a Ruthenian majority ruled by a Vlach minority because the Vlachs weren't warrior-like. And I doubt the Ruthenians would be too keen on being ruled by Vlachs with the Halych principality that they could be a part of next door. It's not impossible but very counter-intuitive.

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The Norman Conquest (or the Conquest) was the 11th-century invasion and occupation of England by an army made up of thousands of Norman, French, Flemish, and Breton troops, all led by the Duke of Normandy, later styled William the Conqueror.

How could English people accept the rule of the French kings?

I doubt they had such a striking charisma that the English people were like "hey, there's more of us, but let these French be in charge undisputed for hundreds of years"

Doesn't make any sense why the English would allow a French administrative control unless they were a minority.

However English people just accepted them as kings and even now half of English language is attributed to the French dominance and influence over it.

Irony aside, how does this happened, but Ruthenians can not be ruled by Vlachs?

It is not like we have an another separate instance when Rus‘ population has asked to rule over them (or was conquered by) a person of different language…. Yeah it happened before...

The main point is, it happened. More times that I have mentioned. Let’s not make arguments like this could not happen if it did. People of that time cared more about religion rather than culture or language.
But that's precisely it, and why I said the Vlachs weren't warrior-like. The Normans conquered the English.

A closer similar example would be Lithuanians ruling over Slavs. But the Lithuanians were already a strong military power, it is how they managed to form the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and rule over slavs. The Vlachs in 1337 on the other hand, were the furthest thing away from a military power. And the circumstantial evidence we have like mentions of the voivodships, codrii and tari, seem to be exclusively of Vlachs. The Lithuanians were stronger than the Slavs so they could rule over them, the Vlachs were not stronger than the Slavs so why would they rule over them? Doesn't make any sense why the Ruthenians would allow a Vlach military and administrative control unless they were a minority.

With the Rurik example, same thing, they conquered them.
 
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The Lithuanians were stronger than the Slavs so they could rule over them, the Vlachs were not stronger than the Slavs so why would they rule over them? Doesn't make any sense why the Ruthenians would allow a Vlach military and administrative control unless they were a minority.
Maybe because different people at different times might hold different sets of values compared to you or me? Maybe because Slavic culture is known for having strong communality, egalitarian and tribalistic features? Maybe because the ethnic composition of the local populace was very heterogeneous and the ruling elite intermarried with local and foreign peers?
 
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Maybe because different people at different times might hold different sets of values compared to you or me?
Alright, and?
Maybe because Slavic culture is known for having strong communality, egalitarian and tribalistic features?
So, what's the significance?
Maybe because the ethnic composition of the local populace was very heterogeneous and the ruling elite intermarried with local and foreign peers?
So basically they lived in the region then came the Vlach leading to a mixed population and then they intermarried with the Vlachs, affecting their cultural, political, or social structure, finally ending up with Vlach voivodships ruled by a Vlach. That sounds an awful lot like assimilation.
 
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How does this explain away the possibility that part of those toponyms of Slavic origin were actually toponyms of Romanian origin derived from Slavic? As I understand, this toponyms study doesn't make the Slavic origin <-> Romanian origin derived from Slavic distinction.
Question 1.

Unfortunately, I am no toponymist. But to my understanding, the name of the city has a lot of grammatical rules in it that dictate what language has been the origin. here is the page from the source:
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here author outlines suffixes like -ești, -eni, and others to be Romanian in origin, with a meaning attached to them
Suffixes like -ov, -ovo, -in, -ivtsi, -ovtsi or in Romanian -ăuți (sorry if I spelt them incorrectly) are Slavic in origin
Also, cities that included the name rus in it presumed to have Slavic populations.

The majority of cities the author used, have changed their name throughout the timeframe (based on multiple documents).
Autor used those suffixes when the toponym goes from class 2 to class 3 as a marker of the language those toponyms are assigned to.
So we have a city that went from "village where the house of Pitik is" to "Peticeni" which was constructed using a Romanian suffix -eni between 1414 and 1528, a period of 114 years, which means this city has a Romanian name.
More examples here:
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This is how the distinction between Slavic origin <-> Romanian origin was made. No need for Romanian origin derived from Slavic distinction as I see it. Again I am no toponymist to determine what should be researched.


Other toponymic research, which I also use, marks roots containing -oro-, -olo-, to be East Slavic and -ra-, -la- to be South Slavic,
Also, a common feature of Slavic is G -> H

Additionally, the second issue, how do we know that a village, city or fort with a slavic name is still inhabited by slavs in 1337? because people can inhabit localities with names which hold no meaning for them.
Question 2.

As I have outlined in the post you have responded to, let me simplify:

We have two maps. One is dated the 14th century. The second is dated by the 15th century.
As we can see, the number of villages has increased a lot.
Let's focus on Northern Bukovina. White dots mean Slavic, and black dots Romanian.
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A lot of villages in the 14th century had Slavic names.
A lot more villages in the 15th century had Slavic names. Like two times more.
All new villages between the 14th and 15th centuries have Slavic toponyms.
This means the population that founded those villages used Slavic rules to make the name of the village.
This means the population that founded those villages spoke Slavic
This means the population between the 14th and 15th centuries were Slavic

Not fully, but a sizeable majority, that solely dictated the forms of toponyms.

This challenges your claim that Romanians migrated here in the 10th century and started living in the cities, they did not know the names of.
If your claim is true, why have those Romanians continued to name the villages with Slavic words even in the 15th century?

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But that's precisely it, and why I said the Vlachs weren't warrior-like. The Normans conquered the English.

A closer similar example would be Lithuanians ruling over Slavs. But the Lithuanians were already a strong military power, it is how they managed to form the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and rule over slavs. The Vlachs in 1337 on the other hand, were the furthest thing away from a military power. And the circumstantial evidence we have like mentions of the voivodships, codrii and tari, seem to be exclusively of Vlachs. The Lithuanians were stronger than the Slavs so they could rule over them, the Vlachs were not stronger than the Slavs so why would they rule over them? Doesn't make any sense why the Ruthenians would allow a Vlach military and administrative control unless they were a minority.

With the Rurik example, same thing, they conquered them.
Oh lord, those pure Vlachs that have never been warriors, never have touched anyone nor conquer.

1. Vlachs weren't warrior-like, but "However, Basarab's forces, composed largely of Vlach warriors, ambushed and decisively defeated the Hungarian army at the Battle of Posada (1330)."
2. Vlachs weren't warrior-like, but "The chronicle mentions the Bulgars and the Vlachs in a broader context of conflicts in the Balkans and southeastern Europe."
3. Vlachs weren't warrior-like, but "In 1019, the Pechenegs and the warriors called "Blokumenn" in Scandinavian documents (likely the Bolokhoveni or Romanians) fought in the Battle of the Alta River (near the Dnieper River) on the side of Sviatopolk I of Kiev against Yaroslav the Wise."
4. Vlachs weren't warrior-like, but "In 1040, Casimir, Duke of Poland, formed an alliance with Yaroslav the Wise, Duke of Kiev, and received 1,000 foot soldiers to reclaim his lost territories in Poland. On this occasion, an army composed of Ruthenians, Prussians, Dacians, and Getae (possibly Romanians) is mentioned.
5. Vlachs weren't warrior-like, but "In 1068, the Vlachs/Romanians and the Pechenegs led by Osul took part in a raiding campaign in Transylvania and Hungary, which ended with the Battle of Chiraleș in Transylvania, where they were defeated. The events are recorded in a Russian chronicle."
6. Vlachs weren't warrior-like, but "In 1070, the Vlachs/Romanians, along with the Pechenegs and Ruthenians, were involved in an expedition by King Bolesław of Krakow. The campaign is commented on by the Polish chronicler Długosz."

All of that is your quotes! You just contradict all your previous statements.

I feel like you have already passed the nationalism stage.
No culture/race is a culture of peaceful angels, and please don't make claims and judgements based on it.
Any people could have conquered any other people. Or diplomatically ruled.
Being warrior-like does not matter at all!
Vlach are not unique and exceptional to not do exactly the same things, that happened with other cultures.

"The Vlachs were not stronger than the Slavs so why would they rule over them?" - speculation. Anything could have happened. We simply have no data.

"With the Rurik example, the same thing, they conquered them."
According to Russian sources Rurik was invited to reign.
According to the story placed under the year 862 in the “Primary Chronicle” and in the undated part of the First Novgorod Chronicle, Rurik was invited to reign (calling the Varangians) by the Chud, Slovene, Krivichi, Meri, and also, possibly, Vesi tribes.

Согласно рассказу, помещённому под 862 годом в «Повести временных лет» и в недатированной части Новгородской первой летописи, Рюрик был приглашён на княжение (призвание варягов) племенами чуди, словен, кривичей, мери, а также, возможно, веси.
 
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How about you guys do this in private messages or go to couples counseling, and then present the rest of us with the outcome? I swear if I see yet another map of Bessarabia, I'm going to gouge out my eyes.
 
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Alright, and?

So, what's the significance?

So basically they lived in the region then came the Vlach leading to a mixed population and then they intermarried with the Vlachs, affecting their cultural, political, or social structure, finally ending up with Vlach voivodships ruled by a Vlach. That sounds an awful lot like assimilation.
You shoudlnt' assume your own opinions upon people living so far long ago.

The significance is the Slavic cultutres value strong charismatic leaders who uphold their [Slavic] ways of life and preffer to distribute power and resources toward common local good and shun individualistic actions.

Whoes assimilation? Besides it works both ways. btw have you ever heard of integration?
 
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You shoudlnt' assume your own opinions upon people living so far long ago.
Alright, how does this tie in?
The significance is the Slavic cultutres value strong charismatic leaders who uphold their [Slavic] ways of life and preffer to distribute power and resources toward common local good and shun individualistic actions.
Okay, how does this random bit of info tie back to the main point?
Whoes assimilation? Besides it works both ways. btw have you ever heard of integration?
Considering that the end result was Vlach voivodships, I think it's pretty obvious. And yes, it goes both ways, that's where the Slavic influence stems from.
 
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Alright, how does this tie in?

Okay, how does this random bit of info tie back to the main point?

Considering that the end result was Vlach voivodships, I think it's pretty obvious. And yes, it goes both ways, that's where the Slavic influence stems from.
That's for you to research and conteplate on. True knowledge, understanding, can only be gained by working it out for yourself... everything else are just opinions of others directing us one one way or the other regardless of the facts. Now unless you have something new to add, follow as others have said. Open a new thread where we discuss how etymology of topographic names, cultural traits and population estimates of late medieval Europe can be best represented ingame... or purely for academic reasons in order to get as close to the historic reality as possible....
 
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I think everyone's opinions regarding this topic have been posted enough times already and the issue we are noticing is that it is rapidly deteriorating into clashes between forum users.

These posts are meant to help us make Caesar as good as it can possibly be. It will also mean that despite not everything being 100% objective with only one solid answer, there will be room to interpretation and we will need to make decision that will make someone unhappy. Sorry about that beforehand but we have to make decisions.

What I am personally not happy to see, because I once again want to reiterate that I read every post in every Tinto Map thread, is people being disrespectful to each other. I already wrote about this in the past and I will do it again now. If people insist in using this forum to have fights with others we will close the thread and summarily close any other that is related to it. We will also talk with moderators so that they keep an eye on the threads and on the users that ignite the fires. Do not force us to act. Your choice.

We would also like to say that going round the same topics for dozens of pages is of little use and only helps making people (including us devs) tired of reading about it. It is a mood killer so please do your part by avoiding these things. I am well aware that certain topics ignite feelings about our identities and nations, but please let's remember that we are a community bounded by our love for GSGs and we should at least try to be civil to each other.
 
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I think everyone's opinions regarding this topic have been posted enough times already and the issue we are noticing is that it is rapidly deteriorating into clashes between forum users.

These posts are meant to help us make Caesar as good as it can possibly be. It will also mean that despite not everything being 100% objective with only one solid answer, there will be room to interpretation and we will need to make decision that will make someone unhappy. Sorry about that beforehand but we have to make decisions.

What I am personally not happy to see, because I once again want to reiterate that I read every post in every Tinto Map thread, is people being disrespectful to each other. I already wrote about this in the past and I will do it again now. If people insist in using this forum to have fights with others we will close the thread and summarily close any other that is related to it. We will also talk with moderators so that they keep an eye on the threads and on the users that ignite the fires. Do not force us to act. Your choice.

We would also like to say that going round the same topics for dozens of pages is of little use and only helps making people (including us devs) tired of reading about it. It is a mood killer so please do your part by avoiding these things. I am well aware that certain topics ignite feelings about our identities and nations, but please let's remember that we are a community bounded by our love for GSGs and we should at least try to be civil to each other.
Is this a threat? I do not accept threats lightly. Especially not those against the benefit of the larger community because of the acts of few individuals.

I do have a suggestion that might be very constructive and much needed for the morale and further positive cooperation between the Devs and the Community.
I have noticed in recent months that several members of the Community that went above and beyond in creating well-researched and argumented posts articles with reliable sources, a lot of times at the level of academic standards, where they shared the feedback on each Tinto Map, has become pessimistic all the quality information they compiled receive fair attention and consideration from the Devs. They simply fear their honest work in their free time is going to waste, or at worst are abused as free labour.
The amount of work and expertise covering and detailing across dozens and dozens of languages and all regions of the World contributes toward the same goal of achieving a historically accurate state of reality in 14. century is amazing. Such Data Base will be invaluable beyond the needs of a single game.
So my suggestion would be if the Devs can give us feedback on our feedback. As in a meta list for each Tinto Map where you communicate which suggestions (by locations, cultures, areas,....) of merit are not being implemented for x, w, z reason and if there is anything else or something super specific research is still needed and could use further help by local experts....
This way those outstanding members will know their efforts are not in vain and the community at large will know which topics have been covered enough and which need further refining. All very positive things. Furthermore, this would also remove certain topics from being brought up ad nauseam, thus we would limit any chances of negative echo chambers.

Short sketch up of such list:
List of reasons:
a) Approved and waiting implementation; b) Approved, but put on a backlog for near future ; c) Approved, but to complex for release aka post-lunch material: d) Considering, Need more reliable sources and argumentation; e) Rejected, too niche f) Rejected, bad gameplay or not part of PC; g) other; h) partly approved.
List of quality suggestions:
1) Slovene character names - a
2) HRE - Hungarian border improvements - a
3) Demographics of Venetian towns in east Adriatic - b
4) Demographics of Genoan & Venetian towns in the Black Sea d
5) Demographics of the Moldovian region - h
6) Border tweaks between Southeastern Srbian locations - e

This way, I am sure, positive vibes and a productive relationship will flourish..... if nothing else, at least those hard working people will get the acknowledgement and satisfaction they deserve.
 
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Is this a threat? I do not accept threats lightly. Especially not those against the benefit of the larger community because of the acts of few individuals.

I do have a suggestion that might be very constructive and much needed for the morale and further positive cooperation between the Devs and the Community.
I have noticed in recent months that several members of the Community that went above and beyond in creating well-researched and argumented posts articles with reliable sources, a lot of times at the level of academic standards, where they shared the feedback on each Tinto Map, has become pessimistic all the quality information they compiled receive fair attention and consideration from the Devs. They simply fear their honest work in their free time is going to waste, or at worst are abused as free labour.
The amount of work and expertise covering and detailing across dozens and dozens of languages and all regions of the World contributes toward the same goal of achieving a historically accurate state of reality in 14. century is amazing. Such Data Base will be invaluable beyond the needs of a single game.
So my suggestion would be if the Devs can give us feedback on our feedback. As in a meta list for each Tinto Map where you communicate which suggestions (by locations, cultures, areas,....) of merit are not being implemented for x, w, z reason and if there is anything else or something super specific research is still needed and could use further help by local experts....
This way those outstanding members will know their efforts are not in vain and the community at large will know which topics have been covered enough and which need further refining. All very positive things. Furthermore, this would also remove certain topics from being brought up ad nauseam, thus we would limit any chances of negative echo chambers.

Short sketch up of such list:
List of reasons:
a) Approved and waiting implementation; b) Approved, but put on a backlog for near future ; c) Approved, but to complex for release aka post-lunch material: d) Considering, Need more reliable sources and argumentation; e) Rejected, too niche f) Rejected, bad gameplay or not part of PC; g) other; h) partly approved.
List of quality suggestions:
1) Slovene character names - a
2) HRE - Hungarian border improvements - a
3) Demographics of Venetian towns in east Adriatic - b
4) Demographics of Genoan & Venetian towns in the Black Sea d
5) Demographics of the Moldovian region - h
6) Border tweaks between Southeastern Srbian locations - e

This way, I am sure, positive vibes and a productive relationship will flourish..... if nothing else, at least those hard working people will get the acknowledgement and satisfaction they deserve.
I can imagine the devs have better things to do than to spend time on creating changelogs on feedback received. If someone chooses to spend their free time on writing suggestions, that is laudable, but I disagree that even if it turns out or seems like that their feedback isn't acted upon the time they put into making their suggestions is wasted. This may sound like a cliché, but the knowledge gained by those individuals is inherently valuable just by virtue of having been obtained, not to mention that people who are willing to write documented feedback posts are also likely passionate about those subjects and quite possibly enjoyed collecting and presenting their information.
 
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I can imagine the devs have better things to do than to spend time on creating changelogs on feedback received. If someone chooses to spend their free time on writing suggestions, that is laudable, but I disagree that even if it turns out or seems like that their feedback isn't acted upon the time they put into making their suggestions is wasted. This may sound like a cliché, but the knowledge gained by those individuals is inherently valuable just by virtue of having been obtained, not to mention that people who are willing to write documented feedback posts are also likely passionate about those subjects and quite possibly enjoyed collecting and presenting their information.
Yes, but humans are social being with corporal as well as spiritual needs with limited time and energy to spare. And a reciprocal relationship will go along way to ensure people you value will come back with more.

Not keeping changelogs in such a massive project as this? Impossible.

but imo, purely from a marketing and community management / public relationship point of view.... it's worth it
 
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Not keeping changelogs in such a massive project as this? Impossible.
Not detailed ones like you suggested, and certainly not individual. Added X location, changed Y topography, added Z pops or culture is a different matter than saying added X location out of X+8 because of Znikii's suggestion, changed topography based on Sulphurologist's feedback or changed Bessarabia to wasteland because of Zeprion&co.
 
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Sorry, but one more thing to add about the Moldav...
A couple of important suggestions on Transcarpathian raw goods in Rakhiv and Berehove (Raho and Beregszasz).
I hope these will be far less controversial than the previous topics here.
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1. Firstly, my friends and colleagues from Rakhiv have never heard about any amber in the area. I have not found any information on the internet as well, so amber in Rakhiv/Raho is a wrong choice.
But nothing can in fact represent this location better than Wool!
This region has the highest mountains in Ukraine, so it has a lot of forestless mountain meadows ('polonyny') where sheep farming has been the most widespread and traditional activity for ages:
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Overall wool seems to be underrepresented in the Carpathian Mountains with regard to its importance in the region, so I would strongly recommend changing amber to wool in Rakhiv/Raho.

2. The second suggestion needs more evidence, but there is a gold deposit and a gold mine in Muzhievo (Nagymuzsaly) village that is actually in Berehove (Beregszasz) location.
Ukrainian sources write that it has been known since the XII century and was definitely in operation during the Ottoman control of Hungary, in ~200 years they got ~20 tons of gold (I have no clue if it is a lot or not really). Unfortunately I could not find deeper information.

If someone could find anything in Hungarian sources, that could help. If that mine was always significant, or since the XVI-XVII centuries, or not at all.
Then Berehove/Beregszasz location raw good could be changed to gold or get a DHE in the Age of Reformation that changes wheat to gold there.

On the other hand, there are other gold locations nearby, maybe they already 'include' all the minor gold deposits in the whole area and adding another one would be an overkill. So I do not insist on it, but can be taken into consideration.
 
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Sorry, but one more thing to add about the Moldav...
A couple of important suggestions on Transcarpathian raw goods in Rakhiv and Berehove (Raho and Beregszasz).
I hope these will be far less controversial than the previous topics here.

1. Firstly, my friends and colleagues from Rakhiv have never heard about any amber in the area. I have not found any information on the internet as well, so amber in Rakhiv/Raho is a wrong choice.
But nothing can in fact represent this location better than Wool!
This region has the highest mountains in Ukraine, so it has a lot of forestless mountain meadows ('polonyny') where sheep farming has been the most widespread and traditional activity for ages:
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Overall wool seems to be underrepresented in the Carpathian Mountains with regard to its importance in the region, so I would strongly recommend changing amber to wool in Rakhiv/Raho.
I think they go lite on Wool as RGO in order to make Wool producing building relevant and important early investment choice. Seems like the region is also rich in forests so Lumber or even better Wild Game would be an even better fit
 
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I think they go lite on Wool as RGO in order to make Wool producing building relevant and important early investment choice. Seems like the region is also rich in forests so Lumber or even better Wild Game would be an even better fit
Amber must be replaced there anyway. And I do not mean that should be changed a lot.
Despite the existence of the fishing village building, almost all coastal locations in Norway still have fish as raw good :). So it is fair.
Sheep farming was the real backbone of their life. There are a sheep milk cheese (brynza), sheep farming, wool production museums in Rakhiv, Kosmach.
Since wool is a raw good, Rakhiv is an accurate location to have it. Especially instead of amber :)
 
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Amber must be replaced there anyway.
Despite the existence of the fishing village building, almost all coastal locations in Norway still have fish as raw good :).
Sheep farming was the real backbone of their life. There are a sheep milk cheese (brynza), sheep farming, wool production museums in Rakhiv, Kosmach.
Since wool is a raw good, Rakhiv is an accurate location to have it.
Fish is only food. Wool is both raw input material used in production buildings as well as food, making it much more valuable resource.

Furthermore fishing villages are very self sufficient subsistance types of communities with very little market interaction while sheep farming almost always require integrated economy with stable markets thus representing more organized and complex society