OK, I'm really upset now. I am a huge fan of EUII and was looking forward to CK since the day it was announced. As far as I understood, it was to be a combined effort by Paradox and Snowball, with Snowball in charge. I still check this forum from time to time, although it has been rather barren since Snowball stopped posting here. Recently, I started checking their official website and forums and was greatly upset by what was written there. According to Snowball posters there, there will be two Crusader Kings games, one by Snowball, and one by Paradox. Paradox's game will run on the old EU engine, whereas Snowball's will have their own engine. Also, while both games will have the same theme and setting, Paradox will stress global strategy, whereas Snowball will place emphasis on global role playing or something like that. I haven't seen either Paradox or Snowball say that before, and unless I missed it, I feel duped. Something like this should have been clearly communicated to fans long before. I also have many questions, such as how exactly will the games differ in detail, will we be able to purchase both, and the obvious one, wouldnt it ve been better to combine the best elements of the two games and produce one great one instead of all this hassle?
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I am sure that was the intention... but then i doubt that snowball one will ever see sunlight 
The whole problem was, educatedly guessed, that they were not working very effectivly... and so where kicked out by the contractor, Paradox.
The whole problem was, educatedly guessed, that they were not working very effectivly... and so where kicked out by the contractor, Paradox.
What? Again these rumours about two seperate games?
I hope this time someone from Paradox would actually confirm the real status...
I hope this time someone from Paradox would actually confirm the real status...
I second that... I'm pretty confused and surprised, I heard the rumor before - but I remember Havard saying it was not true...
Does this mean posters who work for Snowball, or simply posters on the Snowball forum? To me that's a significant difference.
Regardless, I hope we can get an official response from Paradox this time, one that addresses this rumor that's been going around for so long....
Originally posted by The camel
I am sure that was the intention... but then i doubt that snowball one will ever see sunlight
Whether or not the Snowball game ever is released is beside the point. Originally the project was a collaboration between Snowball and Paradox, and if that situation has changed they should stop representing it as such to their fans. If the game by Paradox is now different than the game from Snowball, does that mean that all the information released to us earlier by Snowball about the game is invalid? Perhaps Johan or Patric should stop in to tell us what of that information still reliably describes the game (assuming the original poster's claim is true, of course)....
If they actually confirmed/denied all of theis then we would have very little to post about and the forum would once again return to its semi-dormant state.
Originally posted by Sonny
If they actually confirmed/denied all of theis then we would have very little to post about and the forum would once again return to its semi-dormant state.
I for one am tiring of hearing rumor and inuendo and supposition. If there are two games, if there is one, if there is a lump of shit that resembles a program that from time to time runs as a game, whatever it is the time to end the speculation is at hand.
Im confounded as to why all this rumor is allowed to go on, I just dont see why it isnt clarified, its either arrogance, stupidity or lack of caring for the consumers of CK. Either way as a consumer of paradox games I am becoming increasingly alienated, and although I am only one customer and my consumption wont determine if Paradox flurishes or not, I am becoming weary of the inscesant speculations by people who dont know for a fact what they are insinuating.
Got a FACT about CK? post it with your references to people in the game making process. This project has been cloak and dagger for years and hardly any information at all has been released about its development, its production, and the relationship between the parties involved. So if you can produce a FACT, do it, there are plenty of us who are ravenous for more information on CK.
Well, the thing is, (assuming the original poster is correct) a post on the subject by a Snowball employee is quite a bit more than simple rumor....
This is the problem with rumors, people try and make them credable.
1. "assuming the original poster is correct" an assumption based on??????????
2. "snowball employee" In fact what the original poster said was "According to Snowball posters there, there will be two Crusader Kings games, one by Snowball, and one by Paradox." No where does he say a "snowball employee" posted anything.
Got a FACT ? wonderful post it.
Did you read my first post on the subject in this thread?
The poster who started this thread wasn't entire clear. There are two possible interpretations to what he wrote - he could mean a snowball employee or just a random poster there. The second is pointless to discuss, just more of the same, but the first would mean a major issue.
Perhaps I wasn't very clear in my post that you quoted. It might have been better to say "assuming the original poster meant that the post was made by a snowball employee." I'm in no way "assuming" that he is in fact correct, but the possibility that he is, IMHO, is important enough that it needs to be addressed by Paradox, either to confirm or deny.
"Unfounded rumours" as it was explained to me.
But then again, you go to snowball forum and see Sergei and Borealis discussing their own game.
Decide 4 yourself what to believe. Beware of cyrillics however
But then again, you go to snowball forum and see Sergei and Borealis discussing their own game.
Decide 4 yourself what to believe. Beware of cyrillics however
hmm.... that's the first time I read something like this. Who could be creating such rumors? I can't believe that they are true. I mean, how could anyone with a sane mind believe, that this pc-gaming-niche is so big, that two similiar games could both be profitable? If they split and do two sperate games, than one of them must not be a strategy game, like we are used to, but rather a RPG with new engine and everything else. In this case, it is not our concern anymore
Originally posted by Vytis
"Unfounded rumours" as it was explained to me.
But then again, you go to snowball forum and see Sergei and Borealis discussing their own game.
Decide 4 yourself what to believe. Beware of cyrillics however
The only post in your link "unfounded rumors" from someone at paradox was from Harvard reposting a quote that read "unfounded Rumor" the rest is speculation by people who are not developing the game.
The Snowball forums however were a bit more telling, on this I have to concede the point, it does read as if there are two games and are distinctly different. I havent read this here on the "official forum" of CK either and I would agree with the orginal poster if in fact it was confirrmed two seperate games were being produced from the same developed software. Thats definately going to leave me feeling duped, and squander the time investment I have made into following this game, from Paradox.
EDIT: Just to clarify I didnt read through the entire forums as the translator program I have isnt great. I did get the -gist- of what was posted with what I could read and it does look like a another game, dont take my word for it though go there and read it yourself.
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We are still developing the Crusader Kings that is based on the idea we had from the very beginning. During the summer of 2003, in order to increase production speed, we moved production to an inhouse team.
So indeed there are TWO games then, or am I completely off?
Anyways, the CK as we know it, is a full Paradox Development since summer 2003 if I understand this correctly...
So is that idea the same as the idea that Snowball had been working on prior to summer 2003? Also, are there certain parts of the interviews and posts here by Snowball that are no longer relevant to the game you have been developing since you moved production to an in-house team? Finally, does this mean that Snowball is continuing to develop a game related to what they were working on for you prior to you moving the development to an in-house team, and will release that game seperate from your release of CK?
Sorry for all the questions, but there hasn't been much information here recently, and I'm hoping to get a few in while you're around....
I going to take a guess that no one from Paradox is going to comment on Snowball at this point and probably vice-a-versa. ***Without ANY knowledge whatsoever of the nature of the relationship between the companies***, its reasonable to assume that either (1) there is some sort of acutal agreement in place not to comment, or (2) circumstances are such that extensive comment would not be in the commercial interest of Paradox as a corporate entity. If this is correct, than requests for information about the game are more likely to receive responses if NOT framed in terms of comparisons to information previously or subsequently released by Snowball.
What matters is that a CK game is being worked on by Paradox and the plan appears to be to continue developing it and eventually release it.
What matters is that a CK game is being worked on by Paradox and the plan appears to be to continue developing it and eventually release it.
I think it's realistic to ask if the information posted by Snowball representatives on this forum still accurately describes the game that Paradox is planning to release. I'm certainly not asking them to comment on the state of the relationship between the two companies or any events that transpired between them - I'm just asking them to comment on the game itself (it's hard not to reference Snowball in such questions, since much of the earlier information was released by them and they were the ones working on it prior to this past summer
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Yes.. to a 95-99% degree.
For example.. Some changes have been done...
- We've added 2 new scenarios.. 1187 & 1337.
- You can also play vassals and any count thats around.