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Okay, with only 17 people left, we can do some quick reads on everyone and rank people by tiers.

Tier 1 - Do not lynch under any circumstances

12. Liefwarrior - Doublecleared, claims traitless villager, confirmed by priest council.

Tier 2 - Do not lynch without a very good reason (basically, a superscan or something like that).

14. Audren - spokesman for seer council. Also, De Chat voted for him day 2, so unlikely orange.
10. Sleepyhead - Spokesman for priest council. Also, sniped to de chat last second, putting him in the tie, so very unlikely orange.

Tier 3 - Very unlikely lynches

23. MarcoRossolini - De Chat voted for him day 4, so unlikely orange.
15. Alynkio - claims OEO - I'm going to assume at this point that he was at least partially scanned; it would be criminally foolish to leave a potentially nigh untouchable (seriously, look at the OEO rules for this game) possible goodie spokesman unscanned. Also, kicked off the voting on De Chat. Also, everything about his behavior screams villager at this point to me.

Tier 3.5 - unlikely oranges

7. LatinKaiser - 2nd and emphatic vote on De Chatillion
25. Spockyt - Was in the running until Sleepyhead said he shouldn't be. Voted De Chatillon as a 4th voter.

Tier 4: The rest (10 in all). These require some more attention, as the baddies are almost certainly found in this group.

3. aedan777
6. Culann - claims witness
16. Avernite
17. Witch Agatha
19. R.Graymarch
20. Beartjah
22. Johho as Pippi Långstrump
26. TheFatWombat
27. deathbywombat - claims traitless villager
28. Yakman - apparently claimed traitless villager to me and a one time power to Avernite

Any objections so far?
 
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Note that some of the early voters on De Chat (pre tie decision) are less likely to be oranges, as well (pre tie announcment). Alynkio, LatinKaiser, Marco, and Spockyt were voters 1, 2, 3, and 4 on that list. 2 of those were already on my Tier 3 list, but I'd also put LatinKaiser and spockyt in that category of less likely to be oranges. Maybe put them in Tier 3.5 - conceivably baddies but comparatively unlikely baddies.

Note that I edited the previous post to reflect this.
 
deathbywombat said:
Okay, with only 17 people left, we can do some quick reads on everyone and rank people by tiers.

Tier 1 - Do not lynch under any circumstances

12. Liefwarrior - Doublecleared, claims traitless villager, confirmed by priest council.

Tier 2 - Do not lynch without a very good reason (basically, a superscan or something like that).

14. Audren - spokesman for seer council. Also, De Chat voted for him day 2, so unlikely orange.
10. Sleepyhead - Spokesman for priest council. Also, sniped to de chat last second, putting him in the tie, so very unlikely orange.

Tier 3 - Very unlikely lynches

23. MarcoRossolini - De Chat voted for him day 4, so unlikely orange.
15. Alynkio - claims OEO - I'm going to assume at this point that he was at least partially scanned; it would be criminally foolish to leave a potentially nigh untouchable (seriously, look at the OEO rules for this game) possible goodie spokesman unscanned. Also, kicked off the voting on De Chat. Also, everything about his behavior screams villager at this point to me.

Tier 3.5 - unlikely oranges

7. LatinKaiser - 2nd and emphatic vote on De Chatillion
25. Spockyt - Was in the running until Sleepyhead said he shouldn't be. Voted De Chatillon as a 4th voter.

Tier 4: The rest (10 in all). These require some more attention, as the baddies are almost certainly found in this group.

3. aedan777
6. Culann - claims witness
16. Avernite
17. Witch Agatha
19. R.Graymarch
20. Beartjah
22. Johho as Pippi Långstrump
26. TheFatWombat
27. deathbywombat - claims traitless villager
28. Yakman - apparently claimed traitless villager to me and a one time power to Avernite

Any objections so far?
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Yes. I am a blameless villager and you are going to get me ate. Not cool.
 
I'm still suspicious of Sleepyhead, we know there was a starting baddie on the Seer council, there almost certainly is one on the Priest council too. With De Chat being a low activity player and a cultist, I also could see Sleepyhead making a decision to kill him to improve his credibility as a baddie. Now I'm not calling for his lynch right this second, but we should not take him as anywhere close to a cleared player.

As for De Chat's votes and voters, the important thing will be determining which are actually clearing and which could be alibis or sellouts. Aside from the players who were on De Chat at deadline yesterday, De Chat voted Marco as the third voter on day 4, while he didn't vote on day 3 and though Latinkaiser and Beartjah voted him at one point, both switched off by the end of the day. Day 2 he was voted by Avernite and voted Audren, and on day 1 he voted FatWombat. Aside from yesterday none of the votes on him were dangerous, though his votes on Audren and Marco were. His day 1 vote on Fatwombat is definitely possible for an alibi vote. Fatwombat also made the snipe yesterday which almost broke the tie, so he's definitely a decent candidate, albeit an easy one.

When De Chat was run up yesterday he gained traction pretty quickly without any real opposition. The only two players to express minor disapproval to his lynching were Deathbywombat and myself. So I don't think the wolves made a particular effort to save him, and it's quite possible some took that to the logical conclusion of selling him out for credit. In terms of when he jumped on De Chat, Graymarch would be my pick for sell out voter.

I was also starting to get suspicious of Johho until post #661 where he responded to Avernite saying he was surprised De Chat was still in a pack. Both of them made the mistake of apparently thinking De Chat was from the pack which had previously lost multiple wolves and a zealot previously, which is not the case. I think it would be less likely for a pack aligned baddie to make this mistake.

So Graymarch or Fatwombat would be my lynch preference for today. I'm also a bit suspicious of Beartjah/Wagonlitz 2.0, mainly because they're among the few players with nothing in their favor regarding potential hierarch pack affiliation, or other indications of goodieness.

Vote R.Graymarch
 
deathbywombat said:
I actually do believe you're a villager. I am also not a baddie so I have no say over the hunts, so can't speak on that front.
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noobs gonna noob
 
I'm pretty much with aeadn here that deathbywombat's list is basically sound. Like aedan I think Sleepyhead and maybe Spockyt are be a bit too cleared by dbw. aedan's top three candidates seems OK to me, I'd probably add Agatha and Yakman to that list. aedan and deathbywombat are both not cleared by any means so we should be careful not to let their walls of text steer the village too much.

vote beartjah/Wagonlitz
 
Won’t be around for deadline. I agree with DBW’s list and Aedan post as well.

Vote R.Graymarch
 
The JL humbly requests that you listen to this message.
We do not oppose cases on the following:
~ WitchAgatha
~ Beartjah/Wagon
~ johho
This is not to say that we advise any such individual, only that these are our preferred candidates. Voting elsewhere will be considered with suspicion.
This is your JL spokesperson signing out for the night. For the Party, Comrades.

​
To keep some alternatives
Vote WitchAgatha
 
Avernite said:
Oh, so the tie killer was really THAT silly? Lol
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Oh yeah and since it's early yet I most like the case on

Unvote TheFatWombat, Vote johho
 
johho888 said:
I'm pretty much with aeadn here that deathbywombat's list is basically sound. Like aedan I think Sleepyhead and maybe Spockyt are be a bit too cleared by dbw. aedan's top three candidates seems OK to me, I'd probably add Agatha and Yakman to that list. aedan and deathbywombat are both not cleared by any means so we should be careful not to let their walls of text steer the village too much.

vote beartjah/Wagonlitz
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What is the case on me aside from Bear having been a zombie all game due to no sub having been available?
 
Very friendly. Voting me the day I sub back in...
 
Wagon is a complete unknown and while I’m hesitant to kill someone who just subs in, if it weren’t for the sub we would be killing Beartjah right now due to the lack of activity. Johho is being a bit odd, but personally I view him more as a villager who is incorrect than a wolf. Agatha has also been incredibly off, and spent most of the game tucked under the radar. Agatha has voted for baddies, Matthew yesterday, and both Claude and Matthew day 1, (both yellow) but has been fairly irrelevant in votes the rest of the time.

I was going to attempt to make a case against Culann today, but seeing as Leif has declared anyone not voting for one of his decreed candidates suspicious, I guess it will have to wait.

Vote Witch Agatha.
 
Wagonlitz said:
Very friendly. Voting me the day I sub back in...
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Honestly, this post feels like waving the white flag. You're familiar with the game and did some solid analysis prior to your first death. To go from solid analysis/pursuing cases to this process-based post seems... Off.

Vote wagon/beartjah

Not a lot of time today - may be on at deadline, may not be. All 3 candidates on lief's list were on my radar anyway, so wouldn't mind a lynch of any of them. Maybe a slight preference for johho over witch agatha as a possible baddie, but could see them all flipping baddie.
 
liefwarrior said:
The JL humbly requests that you listen to this message.
We do not oppose cases on the following:
~ WitchAgatha
~ Beartjah/Wagon
~ johho
This is not to say that we advise any such individual, only that these are our preferred candidates. Voting elsewhere will be considered with suspicion.
This is your JL spokesperson signing out for the night. For the Party, Comrades.

​
To keep some alternatives
Vote WitchAgatha
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Spockyt said:
I’m hesitant to kill someone who just subs in
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Well, Since I'm on the list... and I am hesitant on voting someone who just subbed in too, I think I don't have many options but to
VOTE JOHHO.
Today is a very busy day for me, work wise... I'll TRY and be around for deadline, but it's going to be difficult, which sucks being as there's a good chance I'm gonna get lynched... Hopefully the village will reconsider.
 
Votecount, 2 hours and 49 minutes to deadline:

Wagonlitz 2.0 - 3: johho [688], Sleepyhead [694], deathbywombat [697]

R.Graymarch - 2: Aedan [686], Culann [689]

Witch Agatha - 2: liefwarrior [690], Spockyt [696]

johho - 2: Avernite [TheFatWombat 656 -> 692], Witch Agatha [698]

Culann - 1: Yakman [665]

Not-Voted - 7: LatinKaiser, Audren, Alynkio, MarcoRossolini, TheFatWombat, Wagonlitz 2.0, R.Graymarch
 
Spockyt said:
Wagon is a complete unknown and while I’m hesitant to kill someone who just subs in, if it weren’t for the sub we would be killing Beartjah right now due to the lack of activity. Johho is being a bit odd, but personally I view him more as a villager who is incorrect than a wolf. Agatha has also been incredibly off, and spent most of the game tucked under the radar. Agatha has voted for baddies, Matthew yesterday, and both Claude and Matthew day 1, (both yellow) but has been fairly irrelevant in votes the rest of the time.

I was going to attempt to make a case against Culann today, but seeing as Leif has declared anyone not voting for one of his decreed candidates suspicious, I guess it will have to wait.

Vote Witch Agatha.
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Yeah, looking over WitchAgatha's votes, they have barely made any meaningful contribution to the game. On Day 1 Agatha voted Claude and then switched to Matthew -- possibly a back-to-back alibi vote if Agatha is a Bougie. However, Agatha fits even better with the Hierarchs, having never ever voted for a single known Hierarch. De Chat made an inactivity case on Agatha yesterday, but the case never caught on and, at least in my experience, it's not unusual for baddies to target their inactive packmates every now and then, especially as the game goes on longer. Agatha has also done a bit of tunnelling on Graymarch, for some reason (first they jumped on Graymarch for pushing Claude into the lead, then they jumped on him for being inactive... and having pushed CLaude into the lead -- also worth noting that Agatha claimed to find liefwarrior about as suspicious as Graymarch at the time).

Vote Witch Agatha
 
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